I agree. It's one of the primary reasons I seem to always be coming to their defense.

Weekly patches (sometimes more often). Server-side hotfixes. One content update, with another just weeks away. Their Road Ahead tells us what they are focused on and some things they are looking at down the road.


As players, it's only second nature to worry about the state of the game. I'm personally worried that content like Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood, as well as player housing, is being pushed back to get the consoles in line.

And while I see the consoles as an increase in revenue stream and funding, especially in a market nearly devoid of MMO competition, I also see them as a distraction to my primary market ... PC development.

In the end, I think they are doing a good job of proving that they care, are listening, and are working hard.

yes, just reading the patch notes show all the coding they are working on and repairing, tweaking and what not. I appreciate that

Yeah it only took them 6+ months to fix the green lady quest.

It's the little things that worry me when they fix things -
In Craglorn as of now when one loots a chest the glyph that drops is a "Major" (level 45-50).
In PTS the glyphs are "Monumental".
This does show that they can fix things but why does it take a major patch? Why could this not have been done via a hotfix?
I suspect that the code is more of a hindrance than help and this worries me.

I also have a mid range gaming computer and have never experienced things like the 301 error or complete endless loading screens (I haven't been tempted to do much pvp so I can't verify any of that). I have had the Molag Bal quest bugged for a full 24 hours where I would kill him and the sword would drop and then...nothing. I was would be standing there with the sword, he'd be kneeling and that was that. I have had combat lag, especially in certain areas of the Vet zones like Grahtwood. Also had the environment completely disappear near the Bone Borough(Burrow w/e). These are things that would be server side. The bank duplication bug, however, was reported in February. The achievement bug(which isn't just a ui issue) was reported prior to Craglorn being released. Some of these bugs have been reported for a long time, and only when there was an outrage for some of them were they even addressed. They may be fixing them now, but it's after-the-fact and that's not really how PTS is supposed to work.

I have more of an issue with their design decisions than anything else

DireKit wrote: »

Also, are you kidding? The game's only been up live for two months. How can it take them six months to fix something that the game hasn't been live for six months to be fixed?

Because beta lasted almost a year and this was reported for that long. Derp.

The problem is that they aren't fixing the design decisions they made, which is the reason why everyone is up in arms.

Currently they are fixing quests and little bugs and stuff along those lines. They aren't really CHANGING the game in the way most people want. So people see nothing being done about the core problems of this game and they think that Zenimax is doing nothing.

But in reality, Zenimax is just fixing the problems from the exterior inwards, rather than starting from the core and going outwards.

Vampire hunger cost reductions have been broken since beta, and are still broken.

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see them fixing anything......mostly cause i haven't had anything broken. No Lag, no bugged quests, my skills all work, I can log on anytime. I love this game!!!

I use the same drugs as you,the whole dayum world is a strawberry...amazing isn`t it?

dont feed the fanboy trolls

METALPUNKS wrote: »

I am browsing the forums and seeing quite a few people complain about ZOS being lazy and not fixing things.

This just baffles me!! I do not see how anyone could ever say or think this. They keep us informed weekly sometimes even more with whats going on, they are constantly fixing broken areas of the game. We have major updates with patch notes that are pages long and that happens once every 4-6 weeks.

Im not sure the other games people are playing but for me with other games it could months sometimes without stuff being fixed. I just feel like
Zenimax is really trying to do this right.

I know people can come in here and complain about this or that and they have every right to their opinion just like I do now. I get it. I had a bugged quest with skyrim that lasted a year and half that was stopping me from progressing in the thieves guild and it sucked. Anyway I have always thought ZOS is doing a great job!!

WildStar, Rift, GW2, or any recent MMO, particularly at launch, are the games we're referring to.

We've only had one major patch in ESO, and it was *seven* weeks in, not "4-6". Then look at a game like Rift or WildStar at launch, where patches were coming at a frenzied pace... and these games released in a much better, far more polished state in the first place.

A better argument for you to make is whether or not it's *reasonable*, and that's more personal preference. Some people are fine with the pace, for whatever reason. That's okay, that's your personality and choice, and maybe you could mount an argument that I'm being unreasonably impatient.

It's not arguable, however, that other companies have been faster, particularly at launch.

I just discovered you cannot craft V7+ medium armor if you play on DC side.... that bug has been in the game for weeks.

Pretty game breaking imo and not a word about it from ZOS.

I think part of the problem is that these are forums. People come here specifically to complain about issues they've encountered.. and people who have a negative opinion are more likely to come post something than those who have a positive opinion.

So what happens is you get something like the 301 error. You come to the forums and see that there's what appear to be tons of people reporting the same thing and come to the conclusion that it's a huge issue for a large percentage of the player base when it's not. The same kinda happened with the bank bug at launch. My evidence is anecdotal, but the number of people I knew hit by it were like.. 20 in 1500 (when you count all my guilds). Now, sure some people could have mentioned it when I wasn't online.. but I play a -ton- and it was brought up very frequently with the same people going "me too" whenever anyone asked. 20 out of 1500 isn't really a large portion of the player base.

We don't have sub numbers or anything, but say 1000 people have an issue, and ESO has only 100k subscribers. 500 of those people post on the forums about the issue cause they came here looking for answers. 500 looks like a ton of people on the forums, and considering many of those are going to post multiple times in the same thread, the thread created is going to be pretty dang big... in reality though, 1000 out of 100k is 1% of the player base.

From the developer standpoint, when you have an issue that is only occurring for a small percentage of your current customer base two things tend to happen. First, is it might get put on the back burner. Yeah it's still important, but they are gonna wanna fix the things that are hitting the entire, or majority of, the players at once. Second, the issue can be extremely hard to replicate on an in-house system, and therefore extremely hard to debug. To add to that, a large portion of people are very unwilling to provide specs about their current system, or useful information. They instead rage, don't want to do any sort of troubleshooting, and demand the company fix it. Not everyone does this, but there is a surprisingly large amount that do... or at least that's been my experience when I was the go between for some product developers/engineers and customers.

Anyway, ZoS was doing two patches a week and getting quests fixed at launch (and is continuing to put out smaller patches since). They seemed to do the lower level stuff first, though also didn't completely ignore the higher level stuff. Some things probably have got pushed to the side.. but I don't think it's because they're ignoring it. Likely they just have different priorities. Some things do seem like they should be an easy fix, but I only have a very basic knowledge of programming, and I don't know the way in which they set things up.

Yes, they are trying to fix things. But it would help if they didn't break more things than they fixed. I think the abysmal Craglorn patch was the last straw for a lot of people. I really, REALLY hope they test the next content patch thoroughly before pushing it out.