RingobloodtheOld wrote: »

This game should of had an open beta of atleast 2-3 weeks like Wild Star or like WoW did. It could of fixed a lot of the issues that this game is having in my mind or it might be the end of this game or be the reason it will go F2P. ZOS really screwed up on this one and I hope they learn from it.

The game was beta tested everyday for over a year by a special group. I was in that group.

We reported the crap out of the bugs and broken systems.

The result is what you see today.

About 2 months before release there was this huge, and I mean HUGE, thread begging ZOS to get off their butts and get this stuff done.

I personally thought it was a funny thread because it's not like ZOS was taking naps and suddenly were going to read this thread and go, "Oh, now we should get to work I guess."

However, my point is the beta testers could see the writing on the wall. We knew this game was going to be released broken and bug ridden.

Truth be told, every MMO has it's fair share of issues when it releases. Now yeah, I'll agree ZOS could have had the game a bit more polished, and some of the bugs that are in this game are inexcusable. Unable to complete quests, especially main story quests. Yeah the story is cool and all, but sometimes there's a roadblock that keeps you from progressing etc .. those should have been obliterated prior to release. And with patches breaking quests, that's my main peeve.

However, with that said, other MMO's had their issues as well on release. WoW was buggy as all hell. I remember days you couldn't even log in. (it wasn't one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). I remember 2-3 hour queue times just to log in. (Not just one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). Not to mention lack of endgame content at release for those who burned through the grind when they could actually play.

(I only use WoW as an example, since it seems that so many people think WoW was the original MMO, when it most definitely wasn't).

The biggest problem I see here, is the community. Believe me, I want this game as polished as possible, YESTERDAY. However, that's not going to happen. Most people seem to have unreasonable expectations of how fast stuff should be done.


ZOS has a huge undertaking in this game. Non traditional class setups and whatnot. Class wise, there's alot of balancing that needs to be done. Bugs need fixed outright. These things take time.

I'm no fanboi. Things have been hit or miss. Things are going to be trial and error. Personally, I wish I could say this game is truly amazing, and awesome, and all that, but I see potential, and it will come in time.

My biggest complaint, is the lack of presence in the forums. It seems that 99% of the time I see any input, is when people's posts are getting moderated for flaming, or discussions closed because they aren't constructive. I'd much prefer to see teasers of upcoming improvements, features, or simply chiming in to say "hey, what's up?" But that's simply not going to happen, because people spend more time in the forums complaining, griping, and talking about how awesome other games are, or trolling. I've been spending more time lurking the forums rather than playing the game lately, and it's all Doom and Gloom, and F2P, and Wildstar...

If you're fed up, and don't want to wait around, fine. Take your hard earned cash and find something better to spend it on. Something that will make you happy.

If you're willing to hang out while they work out the kinks, and can still enjoy the game, then hell, party on!

But seriously fixes will come. They have to make the fix. Test, and make sure this fix doesn't break anything else. ETC ETC ETC. It all takes time.

Cendyen wrote: »

Truth be told, every MMO has it's fair share of issues when it releases.

Yeah, no.

That line was ok the first few weeks, even as bad as ESO has been.

Now, this is just inexcusable.

WoW was buggy as all hell.

No, it really was not. It had horrid server problems the first two weeks because they had no clue that people had bought so many of their games. Their servers crashed until they got it setup correctly, again in a two week period.

I beta tested the game for 8 months and played the first few years. The game had minimal bugs. It was nothing compared to this.

WoW would have died if it was this bad.

My biggest complaint, is the lack of presence (of ZOS) in the forums.

That's far from the biggest problem with ESO, but I do agree it is a big issue.

Cendyen wrote: »

Truth be told, every MMO has it's fair share of issues when it releases. Now yeah, I'll agree ZOS could have had the game a bit more polished, and some of the bugs that are in this game are inexcusable. Unable to complete quests, especially main story quests. Yeah the story is cool and all, but sometimes there's a roadblock that keeps you from progressing etc .. those should have been obliterated prior to release. And with patches breaking quests, that's my main peeve.

However, with that said, other MMO's had their issues as well on release. WoW was buggy as all hell. I remember days you couldn't even log in. (it wasn't one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). I remember 2-3 hour queue times just to log in. (Not just one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). Not to mention lack of endgame content at release for those who burned through the grind when they could actually play.

(I only use WoW as an example, since it seems that so many people think WoW was the original MMO, when it most definitely wasn't).

The biggest problem I see here, is the community. Believe me, I want this game as polished as possible, YESTERDAY. However, that's not going to happen. Most people seem to have unreasonable expectations of how fast stuff should be done.

ZOS has a huge undertaking in this game. Non traditional class setups and whatnot. Class wise, there's alot of balancing that needs to be done. Bugs need fixed outright. These things take time.

I'm no fanboi. Things have been hit or miss. Things are going to be trial and error. Personally, I wish I could say this game is truly amazing, and awesome, and all that, but I see potential, and it will come in time.

My biggest complaint, is the lack of presence in the forums. It seems that 99% of the time I see any input, is when people's posts are getting moderated for flaming, or discussions closed because they aren't constructive. I'd much prefer to see teasers of upcoming improvements, features, or simply chiming in to say "hey, what's up?" But that's simply not going to happen, because people spend more time in the forums complaining, griping, and talking about how awesome other games are, or trolling. I've been spending more time lurking the forums rather than playing the game lately, and it's all Doom and Gloom, and F2P, and Wildstar...

If you're fed up, and don't want to wait around, fine. Take your hard earned cash and find something better to spend it on. Something that will make you happy.

If you're willing to hang out while they work out the kinks, and can still enjoy the game, then hell, party on!

But seriously fixes will come. They have to make the fix. Test, and make sure this fix doesn't break anything else. ETC ETC ETC. It all takes time.

Certainly that things take time, and I don't think any serious MMO player would expect a game to be bug free. Those of us who've been along MMOs for a long time have the most unnatural patience. I remember a quest in WoW that was bugged since vanilla, right up to Cataclysm. I levelled 6 alts past that same bug, to a point where I sent a notice to a GM to get me the quest credit and got the answer "Do you really need another alt?".

No one expects a spotless released game. That isn't the point. However when you start mounting up the bugs that have happened, are happening and you're still waiting for a fix to, it starts to mount up to a rather nasty pile. And with their constant struggle just to try and balance the game, it turns out to a whole lot of mess going on in the background.

One of the more annoying problems I've encountered that really starts to annoy me, is the ability delay on animation queues and actual damage done. One example here is the Pyromancer's heat wave. You see the pyromance start casting. Then you subsequently take 3 hits and end up killed by "Heat wave". Just as your land, the casting animation stops and the actual heat wave is cast and spreads on the ground. That's just one example of animation queues that really doesn't add up to when the actual damage lands. It's crucial that such attacks doesn't start ticking damage before they actually land as per animation. Especially in a game where they emphasize the importance of staying on your toes and dodge. things.

If they manage to fix the most obvious problems and delays, it's a decent game.But at its current stage it starts to mount up towards something that's a bit too much to pay for.

snagallnub18_ESO wrote: »

lol a special group.... short bus special ?

We were invited in for being the best normal beta testers. It actually said that in the invite.

Phantorang wrote: »

About customer service, TSW went on a huge wall of failed marketing, but they got one thing right, customer service, cause sending a petition is easily done in the chat box, and max 1 hour later you got a live GM talking to you. THats awesome! I am disappointed its no feature like that in ESO

That has never worked for me. I usually get an email within 24 hours with a generic "Sorry, you have an issue, did you try logging out, you might need to drop the quest and do it again."

Friendly tip for the newbie!

When making posts in a forum that has a knowledgeable player base, take the time to read the forums before posting.

EOS went through beta and has remained broken ever since. This is spoken of liberally in forum posts!

Blackwidow wrote: »

Cendyen wrote: »

Truth be told, every MMO has it's fair share of issues when it releases.

Yeah, no.

That line was ok the first few weeks, even as bad as ESO has been.

Now, this is just inexcusable.

WoW was buggy as all hell.

No, it really was not. It had horrid server problems the first two weeks because they had no clue that people had bought so many of their games. Their servers crashed until they got it setup correctly, again in a two week period.

I beta tested the game for 8 months and played the first few years. The game had minimal bugs. It was nothing compared to this.

WoW would have died if it was this bad.

My biggest complaint, is the lack of presence (of ZOS) in the forums.

That's far from the biggest problem with ESO, but I do agree it is a big issue.

I beta tested it for well over a year and played it for 9.

It was buggy as hell.

Only reason it survived was drooling fanboys and EQ refugees. Had there been viable competition (its competition was where everyone left from) it probably wouldnt have survived.

RingobloodtheOld wrote: »

This game should of had an open beta of atleast 2-3 weeks like Wild Star or like WoW did. It could of fixed a lot of the issues that this game is having in my mind or it might be the end of this game or be the reason it will go F2P. ZOS really screwed up on this one and I hope they learn from it.

Why they didn't fix most of the stuff we reported in closed beta what would of changed if it was an open beta?

The thing is companies dont use open betas hell even closed betas to a lesser extent to test features improve games they use them simply as free mass marketing tool.

Every game has bugs, I too was a beta tester, then a PTS tester prior to launch. I actually joked to guild friends about being a PTS snob because I wasn't used to seeing all of the people.

I think there were some fundamental boo boos with how ESO was marketed and even the release date. The game is more of a co-op lag time RPG than a traditional MMO. Once they announced the release date I was concerned about the game's readiness. To be fair I did think that the limited beta was very counter productive to the overall state of the game. Especially in highlighting the RvR map larger than Tamriel vibe, perhaps too large but that is my take on pvp.

Don't get me wrong I love this game flaws and all. I makes it that more annoying when people complain but don't offer alternatives.

Cendyen wrote: »

Truth be told, every MMO has it's fair share of issues when it releases. Now yeah, I'll agree ZOS could have had the game a bit more polished, and some of the bugs that are in this game are inexcusable. Unable to complete quests, especially main story quests. Yeah the story is cool and all, but sometimes there's a roadblock that keeps you from progressing etc .. those should have been obliterated prior to release. And with patches breaking quests, that's my main peeve.

However, with that said, other MMO's had their issues as well on release. WoW was buggy as all hell. I remember days you couldn't even log in. (it wasn't one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). I remember 2-3 hour queue times just to log in. (Not just one or two people, but the WHOLE playerbase). Not to mention lack of endgame content at release for those who burned through the grind when they could actually play.

(I only use WoW as an example, since it seems that so many people think WoW was the original MMO, when it most definitely wasn't).

The biggest problem I see here, is the community. Believe me, I want this game as polished as possible, YESTERDAY. However, that's not going to happen. Most people seem to have unreasonable expectations of how fast stuff should be done.


ZOS has a huge undertaking in this game. Non traditional class setups and whatnot. Class wise, there's alot of balancing that needs to be done. Bugs need fixed outright. These things take time.

I'm no fanboi. Things have been hit or miss. Things are going to be trial and error. Personally, I wish I could say this game is truly amazing, and awesome, and all that, but I see potential, and it will come in time.

My biggest complaint, is the lack of presence in the forums. It seems that 99% of the time I see any input, is when people's posts are getting moderated for flaming, or discussions closed because they aren't constructive. I'd much prefer to see teasers of upcoming improvements, features, or simply chiming in to say "hey, what's up?" But that's simply not going to happen, because people spend more time in the forums complaining, griping, and talking about how awesome other games are, or trolling. I've been spending more time lurking the forums rather than playing the game lately, and it's all Doom and Gloom, and F2P, and Wildstar...

If you're fed up, and don't want to wait around, fine. Take your hard earned cash and find something better to spend it on. Something that will make you happy.

If you're willing to hang out while they work out the kinks, and can still enjoy the game, then hell, party on!

But seriously fixes will come. They have to make the fix. Test, and make sure this fix doesn't break anything else. ETC ETC ETC. It all takes time.

I could not agree more with your post it is all true what you are saying and i reminder AoC have problem with thing all way to there 1 st expansion to fix all there issues but thing got fix over time.

Arora wrote: »

It will get better. Level up your characters and be ahead of the game when the real game starts when the console people hit us in like 6 months

You mean when said consolers go to their own private servers?

No. The real game started at the begining of april.

And I can only hope it gets better. Aside from the very pretty world, and the very engaging quests, they really couldn't have screwed it up much more epically, imo.