ZOS, your number 1 Priority should be to fix lag. Class balance may need to wait.

Desdemonte
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ZOS, you have failed to come through on many of your pre-release promises. Miserably, in some cases. The Mega Server was supposed to give us a Lag-Free gaming experience. This, I think, more than anything else may be what is driving people away. I won't go as far to say that I feel as though I was lied to (because you are new to this MMO thing and probably just naive and over-optimistic), but come on guys! What you have delivered pales in comparison to what you said you would provide.

PvP used to be vibrant. Now it is reduced to pretty much one Campaign. Even with the hard core guilds sticking it out, people are still leaving in droves because of the lag in Cyrodiil. It is *so bad* at peak hours, it is virtually unplayable in areas of even the slightest density. The serious players in my guild are having to look at odd-hours for PvP events because the lag has been so horrid. Unfortunately, that excludes many others who can't log on at those times. And this is for a premier PvP guild.

In addition to PvP lag, this problem with skills not going off is just out of control ridiculous. If you try doing anything in a tight fight where more than a couple of mobs are present, it's a toss of the coin whether you live or die. For a game that was supposed to rely on player skill, reflexes and Finesse (remember that?), it fails miserably. Not only do skills fail to activate on my skill bar, but things like block and interrupt suffer from this as well. I'm a Nightblade. I walk into a group of 2-3 mobs. I stun lock one then quickly attack a second. I see the third powering up a spell or a heavy attack. If I don't do my block or interrupt right when they are starting their animation, I get hit full force. If I try to do a move or two and then block/interrupt while the animation is still going, but maybe near the end of it, I'm toast. This is absolutely *NOT* skillful play. It is almost as bad as point and click play in some cases. Combat *really* needs to be tightened up.

I really like the game, but you are making it hard for me to love it any more. I *used* to love it. Now it's more of a Love/Hate relationship. I took out a 6 month subscription at early access, because I know you will have some growing pains. I'm willing to stick it out until then, but you have a long, uphill battle on your "Road Ahead". If you can't get your sh*t together is 6 months though, I can't see anybody taking you seriously any more.

I realize it is extremely unlikely anybody of any usefulness will see and read this post, but I guess if I add my voice to all the others, you may listen. Somebody at ZOS may hear us and actually do more than pay lip service with banal Public Service statements. I really would like to be a fly on the wall in the dev offices, because really- it seems like you've given up and are letting a couple people on the PTS direct you in what needs to be done. Your reasoning astounds and confuses me.

But more than anything, ZOS, PLEASE fix the LAG!!!!!
  • Liquid_Time
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    Lag is not to bad for me. Usually pull 70-80 FPS on Ultra. They will drop to 30 at times, but often that is my ISP to blame. Now a week ago is another story lol
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  • crislevin
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    I experienced severe lag for the first time since latest patch, cast a spell, the effect shows up few seconds later. Open a crate, the menu pop up 3 seconds later. Mobs stop moving for 4 seconds then showing up in a different place.

    I died three times because of the lag.
  • Valije
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    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

  • crislevin
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    Valije wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

    I was doing the Desshan (V7) Academy quest, then the Reaper's march (V5)'s crop theft quest, I was just trying to get to V6 so I can get that Dark seducer costume.

    I am sure I would have died many more times if it were not for my pet to distract some mobs for a few seconds.
    Edited by crislevin on June 6, 2014 6:22PM
  • LariahHunding
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    I had lag last night in an instance dungeon with one boss (the arena in reaper's march). This was not my computer or the Internet or etc.

    I believe a lot of the complaints about VR is unknowingly caused by lag messing with combat mechanics, especially having to guess on interrupts.
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  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    I think they should stick to doing both at the same time.
  • Liquid_Time
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    What server are you all on?
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  • crislevin
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    NA
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    I thought error 301 was an achievement?
  • makreth
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    I agree totally with you @Desdemonte these are issues that seriously concern me as well and need to be looked upon ASAP. Cyrodiil is unplayable at peak hours due to massive lag (server is having difficulty to carry all that weight), abilities fail to respond or delay for a few (or should i say many) seconds. I have no lag elsewhere but Cyrodiil only. Stress beta weekends were made for this purpose I believe? Yet, it's 2 months after and the megaserver fails to deliver what was promised...
    Edited by makreth on June 6, 2014 6:30PM
  • Valije
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    Sorry... I meant in the real world. Death by lag is the most usual way of dying at least to me. NB in the EU server. There is no way to count how many times I died because got hit outside AoE, for example.
  • kaosodin
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    I agree about lag needing to be fixed asap, thats a functionality issue. If people cannot pvp pve without skipping and lagging all the time
  • Liquid_Time
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    Well I am sorry to have doubted some of the issues you are experiencing. I was not thinking of peak times, so I could simply be avoiding those and not know it.
    Also NA Server
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  • Oberon
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    Lag made PvP in Wabbajack (NA server) unplayable during countless large scale battles. 5-10 second ability delay when it was only sort of bad (yeah, that's ugly) and 30+ seconds when it got bad. Game over man. Game over.
  • morchand23
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    I have died 10 times today because of this!!!! Cmon wheres my lag free gaming i heard so much about?? It gets worse with every patch!!!!
  • Sakiri
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    Is it just in Cyrodiil? Because I dont get lag much, just a steady 70-100 ms latency(goes up after 8pm when everyone fires up netflix... hate netflix).
  • R0M2K
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    Cydorill is unplayable.
  • jeevin
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    If Zenimax would just acknowledge this as a priority. Just communicate, give us reassurance so we could stop wondering if we're wasting our time supporting the game. I love the game but come on! The lag/input lag/weapon swap lag is the most dangerous enemy in the game.
  • KracsNZ
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    Lag is not to bad for me. Usually pull 70-80 FPS on Ultra. They will drop to 30 at times, but often that is my ISP to blame. Now a week ago is another story lol

    Network lag and FPS are not related. You could be pulling 100FPS and be at the verge of disconnecting. When your frames drop that is due to either your GPU or CPU being stressed. Yes, they can happen at the same during large scale battles.

    Network lag is what is annoying the crap out of me. One of the reasons I don't even bother with melee any more. My Templar mage build is a little more forgiving of lag.

  • AlexDougherty
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    morchand23 wrote: »
    I have died 10 times today because of this!!!! Cmon wheres my lag free gaming i heard so much about?? It gets worse with every patch!!!!

    I hate to break this one to you, but lag free gaming is a myth.
    Even if they got the Megaserver to function perfectly (which they haven't I'll admit), and you had your computer set up perfectly (which most of us haven't), the internet connections would give you lag.
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  • AreoHotah
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    crislevin wrote: »
    Valije wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

    I was doing the Desshan (V7) Academy quest, then the Reaper's march (V5)'s crop theft quest, I was just trying to get to V6 so I can get that Dark seducer costume.

    I am sure I would have died many more times if it were not for my pet to distract some mobs for a few seconds.

    Op is talking about pvp lol. There is no lag in pve. You ppl must stop commenting on titles only and learn to read the entire post.

    LAG WILL ONLY GET FIXED WHEN MEGASERVER COMES TO EUROPE.
    Edited by AreoHotah on June 7, 2014 9:10AM
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  • AlexDougherty
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    AreoHotah wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    Valije wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

    I was doing the Desshan (V7) Academy quest, then the Reaper's march (V5)'s crop theft quest, I was just trying to get to V6 so I can get that Dark seducer costume.

    I am sure I would have died many more times if it were not for my pet to distract some mobs for a few seconds.

    Op is talking about pvp lol. There is no lag in pve. You ppl must stop commenting on titles only and learn to read the entire post.

    LAG WILL ONLY GET FIXED WHEN MEGASERVER COMES TO EUROPE.

    Agreed, that should reduce lag enough for me to PVP.
    People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
    Wizard's first rule
    Passion rules reason
    Wizard's third rule
    Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
    Wizard's fifth rule
    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
    Wizard's tenth rule
  • Valije
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    AreoHotah wrote: »

    Op is talking about pvp lol. There is no lag in pve. You ppl must stop commenting on titles only and learn to read the entire post.

    LAG WILL ONLY GET FIXED WHEN MEGASERVER COMES TO EUROPE.

    There is lag in PvE too, sometimes a lot but lately it has been better. The minimum we can get right now in EU si about 200-250 ms (blame the physics if you want). Of course you notice it more in PvP, but that kind of lag is not caused by distance.
    Edited by Valije on June 7, 2014 3:39PM
  • Fuzzylumpkins
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    This would require upgrading servers to something less prehistoric. This would cost money. Money is not something that you can look forward to ZOS investing into eso any further.
  • crislevin
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    AreoHotah wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    Valije wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

    I was doing the Desshan (V7) Academy quest, then the Reaper's march (V5)'s crop theft quest, I was just trying to get to V6 so I can get that Dark seducer costume.

    I am sure I would have died many more times if it were not for my pet to distract some mobs for a few seconds.

    Op is talking about pvp lol. There is no lag in pve. You ppl must stop commenting on titles only and learn to read the entire post.

    LAG WILL ONLY GET FIXED WHEN MEGASERVER COMES TO EUROPE.

    LOL, there is no lag in PvE, what a definitive lie.
  • Ralph_Damiani
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    You know, the longer it takes for them to fix basic issues like that, the more I'm convinced the engine was designed to support standard TAB target combat, in which abilities queue and the need for responsiveness is minimized. Perhaps with the added movement element based on telegraphed attacks, but very similar to Wildstar.
    Action combat, like first person pov, was a later idea that got shoved in before the core mechanics were feature locked.
    Sometimes it seems like the netcode was written to an entirely different game by a different team and the main reason why it still performs well (locally) is because they were so conservative on polygon count (skin tight armor, anyone?) and cut several corners in LOD and draw distance.

    Beyond that, they grossly overestimated the amount of fighting players you can have on-screen. I've witnessed two alliances fighting each other with minimal lag, but throw in a third alliance and it's like I'm getting flashbacks of Team Fortress 1 on a 56kpbs modem, with corpses taking casual strolls around the battlefield.
    Edited by Ralph_Damiani on June 7, 2014 4:10PM
  • AlexDougherty
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    crislevin wrote: »
    AreoHotah wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    Valije wrote: »
    crislevin wrote: »
    I died three times because of the lag.

    Only 3?

    Where are you and what is your build?

    I was doing the Desshan (V7) Academy quest, then the Reaper's march (V5)'s crop theft quest, I was just trying to get to V6 so I can get that Dark seducer costume.

    I am sure I would have died many more times if it were not for my pet to distract some mobs for a few seconds.

    Op is talking about pvp lol. There is no lag in pve. You ppl must stop commenting on titles only and learn to read the entire post.

    LAG WILL ONLY GET FIXED WHEN MEGASERVER COMES TO EUROPE.

    LOL, there is no lag in PvE, what a definitive lie.

    Definately is lag in PVE, I get random patches of bad lag every so often in PVE, it exists.
    People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
    Wizard's first rule
    Passion rules reason
    Wizard's third rule
    Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
    Wizard's fifth rule
    Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
    Wizard's tenth rule
  • snagallnub18_ESO
    i have ZERO lag.... FIX THE CLASSES
  • Genada
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    Um no. Class balance is what matters most right now. There's two broken classes that are to the point of being damn near unplayable. It takes too long in this game to re roll so all those people that made the mistake of rolling one of them is forced to either quit or play with gimped classes.
  • Phantorang
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    I completely disagree, nothing is worse for an MMO than a class that is OP and a class that bites dust.

    Class balance is by far the most important issue in these forums. And whats stopping them from working on both? They got different people for different stuff, im pretty sure the guys working with servers and lag do best without some animation dude hanging around asking for what to do to fix lag.
    Edited by Phantorang on June 8, 2014 12:31AM
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