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wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭This person does quite well with Nightblade their builds are listed at the bottom of the show more drop down Enjoy .
BOW / DW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8krLrYX2ugo
BOW /2 H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfBsHLBrkZg
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lao✭✭✭✭He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.
Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.
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Mykah✭✭✭Mark Target and Siphoning Attacks is what youre missing. I am a big fan of Hidden Strike over Concealed Weapon also.0
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joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭✭Mark Target and Siphoning Attacks is what youre missing. I am a big fan of Hidden Strike over Concealed Weapon also.
Surprise Attack would change literally nothing about his opener, though. It only buffs up following attacks but is otherwise exactly the same.
Edit: It's also pretty redundant if you're using Mark Target. It's even more redundant if your enemy doesn't have a particularly high armor rating to begin with (lowering armor from ~900 to 0 really doesn't increase your damage much at all.)Edited by joshisanonymous on June 5, 2014 5:01PM0 -
Mykah✭✭✭joshisanonymous wrote: »Mark Target and Siphoning Attacks is what youre missing. I am a big fan of Hidden Strike over Concealed Weapon also.
Surprise Attack would change literally nothing about his opener, though. It only buffs up following attacks but is otherwise exactly the same.
Edit: It's also pretty redundant if you're using Mark Target. It's even more redundant if your enemy doesn't have a particularly high armor rating to begin with (lowering armor from ~900 to 0 really doesn't increase your damage much at all.)
There is much more to NB damage mechanics than the opener.
If he is not breaking 10% damage when he gets the jump, clearly his target has a huge amount of armor and spell resist.
In fact, most geared Vr12s are going to have soft capped armor/spell rating, Mark Target and Hidden Strike is the NBs direct counter to this.
Its also likely he has very little Magicka damage which he should have enchanted on his rings/ammy if he going for NB ability damage.Edited by Mykah on June 5, 2014 5:40PM0 -
Nuitar✭✭✭I do around 800-1k DPS out of stealth without counting camoflauged hunter procs. This is as a mageblade. If someone lives past 3 seconds, they are blocking.
NBs are insane in 1v1. Resto staff gives you amazing survivability. Not going well? Block, pot, and dark cloak the hell out of there.
But things happen quickly in this game. A good player would start blocking my burst, chug a pot, and quickly find a way to counter. A bad player dies in 2-3 seconds.
Just because you die quickly =/= NB is a bad class. I quite often win 3v1s vs other vr12s (most reliable only when VoB is up).
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Let me also say, I lose quite a few 1v1s vs other good players by being too slow on my pot click, weapon swap, block, or CC break.Edited by Nuitar on June 5, 2014 8:40PM0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.
Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.
He was using a staff and was casting spells (at another dude), no blocking.
you can keep block up 100% of the time if you are casting instant abilities and have stam. One the many broken things in this game.
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Igolbug✭✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
I am a stamina NB and use Dark cloak and concealed weapon and am best pvper NA.Edited by Igolbug on June 6, 2014 3:22AMIgolbug
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✭✭He was probably a DK. Did you notice any spikes sprout out of his back or were you suddenly able to see his heart?0 -
Truno✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
In my opinion dark cloak > shadowy disguise. The removal of dots (including soul ultimate) i believe is way better than a 100% 1 hit crit, which you get automatically on a opener from the back. If you are a medium armor even more so to go dark cloak because you have insane crit chance already. Concealed and surprise attack tho both have their advantages.
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I have nb vet 12 full purple/yellow sets light armor/ staff ,simphoning strike sap essence spam, vulcanic rune and funnelth health in pve is awesome but in pvp is horrible, no dps , no decent self health compared to others class and low defence. I have rerolled a DK, now is vet rank 9 and in pvp is totally awesome . Nb is unplayable in pvp , i can kill without problems 2 or 3 of best NB with my dk.Edited by davidetombab16_ESO on June 6, 2014 11:03AM0 -
lao✭✭✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
I am a stamina NB and use Dark cloak and concealed weapon and am best pvper NA.
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lao✭✭✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
In my opinion dark cloak > shadowy disguise. The removal of dots (including soul ultimate) i believe is way better than a 100% 1 hit crit, which you get automatically on a opener from the back. If you are a medium armor even more so to go dark cloak because you have insane crit chance already. Concealed and surprise attack tho both have their advantages.
thats cos u dont understand the class mechanics. u open with ambush in the back which is ~800 dmg average. then u shadowy disguise into surprise attack for another guaranteed 800-1000 dmg. next u do a heavy attack which will also hit for ~700 due to the armor debuff from surprise attack. by that time ur target has already taken ~2.5k dmg and will be below 25% health so u can just finish them of with killer blade or incase they break the stun and pop a heal , soul harvest -> killer blade.
im not even going into details why DC sux if u cant figure that out by now then no1 can help you anyways. ill just say that much if u sacrifice a 100% crit on ur stun for a buggy cleanse that doesnt work half the time and only cures 1 effect anyway then ur not very bright. if u really need a cleanse get purge atleast that one works properly
concealed weapon is a complete waste. just be a vampire instead. Edited by lao on June 6, 2014 1:10PM1 -
LariahHunding✭✭✭✭Pulling the important point from this thread, instant spells can be cast while maintaining block (as long as stamina holds out).
One of the reasons that magica >>>>>>>>>>stamina (melee) builds. Can't block while taking a swing at someone.
Edit: Also, the BS 360 degree block the game has.Edited by LariahHunding on June 6, 2014 1:02PM"Give a man a sweet roll, he only has one to steal. Give him a sweet roll recipe, he have bunches to steal."
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Truno✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
In my opinion dark cloak > shadowy disguise. The removal of dots (including soul ultimate) i believe is way better than a 100% 1 hit crit, which you get automatically on a opener from the back. If you are a medium armor even more so to go dark cloak because you have insane crit chance already. Concealed and surprise attack tho both have their advantages.
thats cos u dont understand the class mechanics. u open with ambush in the back which is ~800 dmg average. then u shadowy disguise into surprise attack for another guaranteed 800-1000 dmg. next u do a heavy attack which will also hit for ~700 due to the armor debuff from surprise attack. by that time ur target has already taken ~2.5k dmg and will be below 25% health so u can just finish them of with killer blade or incase they break the stun and pop a heal , soul harvest -> killer blade.
im not even going into details why DC sux if u cant figure that out by now then no1 can help you anyways. ill just say that much if u sacrifice a 100% crit on ur stun for a buggy cleanse that doesnt work half the time and only cures 1 effect anyway then ur not very bright. if u really need a cleanse get purge atleast that one works properly concealed weapon is a complete waste. just be a vampire instead.
I use a bow so surprise attack is useless for me i run concealed on my second bar for faster getaways/ambushes, but when used dw i ran surprise. I understand the NB fine, I just prefer more survivability than having to purge all the time. Many NB skills are running by weapon critical chance which if wearing full medium is high 30s or even mid 40s. Running shadowy disguise might get you a little more damage yea, but you already should have really high critical. Like I said though I am ranged dps so shadowy disguise doesnt effect me as much because concealed is not being used like it is when in melee combat. The rest of what you said is true enough for dw, but dots hurt especially when you are a vampire so I prefer the ability to cloak and get rid of dots including soul magic ult over a very small increase in damage. There is not just one way to build a class, do not act like there is.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dark Cloak cures more then 1 dot, This was tested
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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LariahHunding✭✭✭✭I have a weird build, but, with the right timing, I can do 1350 dmg with a 2-handed sword heavy attack just coming out of crouch (not even behind mob ) as long as I am not detected to soon. A lot of light wearing mobs I can one shot. This also stuns the group for a few seconds also with splash effect. The key point is the timing.
It's even a great opening for less than 10k bosses.
My question is that it Impale is usually not enough to terminate at that point, but a couple of siphons or light attacks and impale finishes the first mob before the others wakes up, is there a better move after the initial attack for insta-kill?
I am doing OK in VR5 has a siphoning/melee, although I just about have flame staff almost leveled, because I know whats coming. I hate being forced into playing this way.
Also, I have made it this far with 5/2 medium/(light or heavy , got rid of DW around level 45.
Some of my choices are just crazy giving the way I play (melee tanking solo) but I rely heavily on the siphoning tree to keep me alive. Keeping ultimate charge up is important.Edited by LariahHunding on June 6, 2014 3:20PM"Give a man a sweet roll, he only has one to steal. Give him a sweet roll recipe, he have bunches to steal."
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smercgames_ESO✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »He was blocking, end of story. DKs with sword and board have a 360 degree block. He may have also had a HoT on him, been an imperial (100 HPS via auto attacks), or you missed him hit a dragon blood after the opening.
Only way to beat a SnB DK as a NB is with range or sitting in your veil of blades.
He was using a staff and was casting spells (at another dude), no blocking.
you can keep block up 100% of the time if you are casting instant abilities and have stam. One the many broken things in this game.
That's not broken they have too do it cuz of tanks.
No they do not have to do this because of tanks. You should not be able to use abilities while blocking. During the ability you should vulnerable to attack. Block before and after is fine but not during. I forget to block when I'm attacking all the time then kick myself for forgetting. Then the next fight I block the entire time and I feel horribly cheap since I can spam Concealed Attack and Killer's Blade while taking very little dmg.
To the OP, Did you happen to notice if they had a massive shield up? Did your skills actually connect? Did they blind you in some way? I have fought plenty of people who had no clue they were blinded and just kept spamming skills and they all miss.
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✭✭✭A NB is a bit bugged atm, but you should be able to do well in a 1v1, seeing as that is what the class specializes in. If you cant get someone below 90% health, as a NB, in a 1v1, then you are doing something wrong.Edited by Cody on June 6, 2014 5:24PM0 -
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NakedSnake✭✭✭what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
In my opinion dark cloak > shadowy disguise. The removal of dots (including soul ultimate) i believe is way better than a 100% 1 hit crit, which you get automatically on a opener from the back. If you are a medium armor even more so to go dark cloak because you have insane crit chance already. Concealed and surprise attack tho both have their advantages.
thats cos u dont understand the class mechanics. u open with ambush in the back which is ~800 dmg average. then u shadowy disguise into surprise attack for another guaranteed 800-1000 dmg. next u do a heavy attack which will also hit for ~700 due to the armor debuff from surprise attack. by that time ur target has already taken ~2.5k dmg and will be below 25% health so u can just finish them of with killer blade or incase they break the stun and pop a heal , soul harvest -> killer blade.
im not even going into details why DC sux if u cant figure that out by now then no1 can help you anyways. ill just say that much if u sacrifice a 100% crit on ur stun for a buggy cleanse that doesnt work half the time and only cures 1 effect anyway then ur not very bright. if u really need a cleanse get purge atleast that one works properly concealed weapon is a complete waste. just be a vampire instead.
Shadowy disguise is pointless if you are a crit blade with 45+ crit chance.
Assassins blade morphs are situational, one is not better than the other and the same can be said about veiled strike morphs. It all depends on your preferred build.Edited by NakedSnake on June 7, 2014 11:09AM"Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"1 -
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✭✭✭NakedSnake wrote: »Shadowy disguise is pointless if you are a crit blade with 45+ crit chance.
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Open question to anyone who knows the answer
Does the impenetrable trait on gears apply to Crit Damage (ie: reduces 100% off of the bonus damage on a crit) or does it apply to the Crit Chance (ie: 100 impenetrable stat reduces 10.0% off of crit chance)?
Shadowy Disguise would be loads more awesome if it added 100% to Spell Critical as well; this would give pure Medium Nightblades ability to crit on Siphoning skills instead of just pure Magicka/Light Nightblades being able to easily produce crits with all skills.
Edited by Samadhi on June 7, 2014 4:07PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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NakedSnake✭✭✭I would hope that common sense dictate the skill work this way."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"0
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lao✭✭✭✭NakedSnake wrote: »Shadowy disguise is pointless if you are a crit blade with 45+ crit chance.
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Open question to anyone who knows the answer
Does the impenetrable trait on gears apply to Crit Damage (ie: reduces 100% off of the bonus damage on a crit) or does it apply to the Crit Chance (ie: 100 impenetrable stat reduces 10.0% off of crit chance)?
Shadowy Disguise would be loads more awesome if it added 100% to Spell Critical as well; this would give pure Medium Nightblades ability to crit on Siphoning skills instead of just pure Magicka/Light Nightblades being able to easily produce crits with all skills.
pretty much all skills in assassination and shadow work off melee crit. siphoning is a pve spec anyways so i dont see how it is even a factor. before some of you mongs jump in and go blahblah siphoning works in pvp yadayada, yes it does work but the dps is low and its far inferior to a well played shadow/assassination NB and therefor not an option to a competitive player.0 -
lao✭✭✭✭NakedSnake wrote: »what u expect u chose 2 horribly wrong morphs for the 2 most important skills a NB has.
dark cloak is *** terrible. get shadowy disguise. concealed weapon is so lala but surprise attack is ALOT better. use the correct morphs and u will do dmg.
In my opinion dark cloak > shadowy disguise. The removal of dots (including soul ultimate) i believe is way better than a 100% 1 hit crit, which you get automatically on a opener from the back. If you are a medium armor even more so to go dark cloak because you have insane crit chance already. Concealed and surprise attack tho both have their advantages.
thats cos u dont understand the class mechanics. u open with ambush in the back which is ~800 dmg average. then u shadowy disguise into surprise attack for another guaranteed 800-1000 dmg. next u do a heavy attack which will also hit for ~700 due to the armor debuff from surprise attack. by that time ur target has already taken ~2.5k dmg and will be below 25% health so u can just finish them of with killer blade or incase they break the stun and pop a heal , soul harvest -> killer blade.
im not even going into details why DC sux if u cant figure that out by now then no1 can help you anyways. ill just say that much if u sacrifice a 100% crit on ur stun for a buggy cleanse that doesnt work half the time and only cures 1 effect anyway then ur not very bright. if u really need a cleanse get purge atleast that one works properly concealed weapon is a complete waste. just be a vampire instead.
Shadowy disguise is pointless if you are a crit blade with 45+ crit chance.
Assassins blade morphs are situational, one is not better than the other and the same can be said about veiled strike morphs. It all depends on your preferred build.
its not pointless at all. in my book 100 is more than 45 and given the nature of the class that particular crit is very important as it allows you to follow up with killer blade after the heavy attack which wouldnt be possible without the guaranteed crit from surprise attack. losing that crit prolongs the fight by minimum 2 rounds. that is ineffective.
about assassin blade morphs, well there is really only reason why u would ever go impale over killers blade and that is if ur using a bow. in that particular case yes ur right impale is viable but for any melee spec there is no reason to other go impale over killers blade.
about veiled strike morphs. its just a matter of efficiency again. theres no reason to go for concealed weapon as u can get the movement speed from either beeing a vampire (best option) or from using the set armor. the armor debuff from surprise attack is good cos the next attack in the rotation is a heavy attack which will hit significantly harder with the debuff. NB is all about maximizing ur dps so yea by chosing dark cloak and concealed weapon ur gimping urself alot.Edited by lao on June 8, 2014 12:10PM0 -
Jaxom✭✭✭✭Concealed weapon plus vampire buffs equals sprint speed in stealth. I'd much rather have that. Its a matter of defense vs offense and in specific case, I choose defense0 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭pretty much all skills in assassination and shadow work off melee crit. siphoning is a pve spec anyways so i dont see how it is even a factor. before some of you mongs jump in and go blahblah siphoning works in pvp yadayada, yes it does work but the dps is low and its far inferior to a well played shadow/assassination NB and therefor not an option to a competitive player.its not pointless at all. in my book 100 is more than 45 and given the nature of the class that particular crit is very important as it allows you to follow up with killer blade after the heavy attack which wouldnt be possible without the guaranteed crit from surprise attack. losing that crit prolongs the fight by minimum 2 rounds. that is ineffective.
about assassin blade morphs, well there is really only reason why u would ever go impale over killers blade and that is if ur using a bow. in that particular case yes ur right impale is viable but for any melee spec there is no reason to other go impale over killers blade.
about veiled strike morphs. its just a matter of efficiency again. theres no reason to go for concealed weapon as u can get the movement speed from either beeing a vampire (best option) or from using the set armor. the armor debuff from surprise attack is good cos the next attack in the rotation is a heavy attack which will hit significantly harder with the debuff. NB is all about maximizing ur dps so yea by chosing dark cloak and concealed weapon ur gimping urself alot.
Do you even actually play a NB or is your knowledge of the class just theoretical?
Siphoning is essential for ranged builds and AOE. With destro/resto/bow; mark target, strife, crippling is a devastating combo.
Yes, in theory 100 is better than 45 but in reality it makes very little difference. Any thing higher and well...
Exactly Impale is the only morph for ranged users.
@ , the movement speed passive from vampire/gear is completely different than the concealed buff.
I can understand the reasoning behind your build. Ganking from stealth and bursting to death before any resistance can be is a viable build but it lacks versatility.
So basically melee is not the only way to play a NB and Damage is not everything in pvp.
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✭✭✭pretty much all skills in assassination and shadow work off melee crit. siphoning is a pve spec anyways so i dont see how it is even a factor. before some of you mongs jump in and go blahblah siphoning works in pvp yadayada, yes it does work but the dps is low and its far inferior to a well played shadow/assassination NB and therefor not an option to a competitive player.
Spell Crit on Shadowy Disguise would be worthwhile simply for Strife.
When Strife crits on damage, it heals for more on it's HoT ticks. With a high enough base Spell Crit the heal ticks do crit heals as well.
Both the damage value and the heal value also benefit from the Crit Bonus passive in the Assassination tree. Simply slotting Strife increases max magicka which adds further base damage to all other class skills.
At the moment, it is more effective as a bow user to be in Light Armour with Spell Crit, Magicka Regen, and Reduced Skill Costs and just use Shadowy Disguise to ensure the Assassination and Shadow skills crit.
I would like to have the ability to instead be in a Medium build and still gain the additional heal bonus of Strife's crit damage. Every HoT tick that pops while invisible for a Veiled Strike would also crit heal; that small bit of added sustain in combat means more flexibility to use utility potions instead of healing potions.
ZOS already spoke of intentions to modify Master Assassin passive to increase Spell Power along with the Weapon Power buff it gives; Shadowy Disguise giving Spell Crit along with the Weapon Crit would coincide well with that.
I could go Vampire and flip around my build somewhat; however, I'd rather not have to deal with the Fire weakness."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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