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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Are you trying to tank an NB? That's kinda what it looks like.
Your photo deal is set to private eh'.
I'm not sure if the ESOhead thing is right, but 7 heavy is not a good costume for an NB. You might enjoy a DK for that role more. 5 medium and 2 light is what I run for some magic regeneration advantage and a fair amount of critical chance increase with the passives available.
You are an assassin, you should be gone after striking then strike again. A talented one will strike from the Shadowy Disguise morph of Shadow Cloak and gain a 70% critical on any strike from invisible. You can deal a ton of quick damage, done right, but you cannot take a sustained beating without largely nerfing the class.
There is a video somewhere of an NB taking on a very tough monster people were complaining about and killing it simply by Cloaking, running around behind it, hitting it from Shadowy Disguise and the doing it again, and again till it died. Practice that on a single not too fast moving beast. As always conservation and management of magic and stamina is key. Food is very good to buff a weak stat. Enchanting a set of armor can also add a ton of whatever as well.
As well the numbers on the various spells are very low, I expect they are the unadjusted ones though.Edited by poodlemasterb16_ESO on June 2, 2014 10:48AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭I made a NB alt that primarily tanks and is slowly making his way through the vet grind, and I can tell you your biggest problem in your build is not having leeching strikes. The damage loss really isn't very much, but the resource and health returns are significant. If they ever truly fix haste and make it actually speed up weapon attacks, that combo will be insane. Moreover, if you're worried about it affecting an opening burst, it's a toggle ability with no cost and almost instant animation, so you can do a sneak attack burst, then activate it to provide sustain as you fight.
As a nightblade, you lack aoe damage, and aoe CC. The only skill I've found that helps is volcanic rune from mage's guild.
I've found swallow soul to be nice when I'm tanking dungeons because of the extra % healed, but when questing and such I find sap essence to be much better.1 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Please turn off the slide show. I have to figure out how otherwise.
You have speced out a pretty good tank but it is on an NB which to me is crazy. A DK was made for this.
You have an assassin in chains.
I have 2, one is a fighter. My son has a VR1 NB and is doing very well. I think they are the hardest class to play well.Edited by poodlemasterb16_ESO on June 2, 2014 7:57PM0 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The passives from medium armor give critical chance a pretty good boost. An NB, my son, a VR1, does this quite well, should critical all the time. You don't have to take damage from something you are killing quickly and incapacitating a lot, so the heavy is not a lot of use to anyone who is not going to go toe to toe with the mob. NBs should not really toe to toe anything.
It's a hard class to play well. You need to conserve and build stamina for your movement as well as combat. The various passives for stealth both medium armor and the Kajiit racials supply make you very stealthy, use it, attacks from stealth deal a ton of damage.
The Vampire tree works very well with NBs too. My son can sneak, with a tiny detection radius, at full normal run speed. A hoot smoking through an enemy camp.
In many ways the build you have is about as far as you can get from a true NB. I have 7 chars and 4 fight fulltime. I have a char in each type and they are all fun but quite different.
NBs at play. The red rays are "Mark Target":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Xw4Cw94hM&noredirect=1 Edited by poodlemasterb16_ESO on June 3, 2014 3:31AM0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭Your playing the hardest class to play with the least effective set up. The NB was designed for medium armour but since ZM screwed up stamina builds your next best is light armour. For more survivability get a healing staff and train mutagen. Cast it on yourself pre fight for lots of health regen cast reapers park on target cast leaching strikes on yourself (make sure you have it on both bars) and when they fix it cast haste on yourself. You now have extra health regen, magica regen and stamina regen and extra weapon speed for at least the next 20 seconds. Your target is marked for death and you can now switch bars to your normal attack rotation and give em hell.0
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Please please Zenimax don't nerf the game for these guys. Pretty please. Just let em' go. It's not for them.0
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I am having a blast with my first MMO. My son and I both come from shooters and deathmatch was what we played. We came for the fighting. The fighting is delicious. We are pleased and will play for a long time.
I hear Wildstar has a huge casual gaming community and as it seems to be loved by the WOW crowd it's probably not too punishing a game.0 -
dracobains_ESO✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Please please Zenimax don't nerf the game for these guys. Pretty please. Just let em' go. It's not for them.
Corporations care about profitability not your personal sentiments. These are real people making a living providing all of us with entertainment. If they desire to maintain long term profitability they will be marketing toward a mean audience not the upper 10-20% of the player base. I have been playing MMOs since their inception and this is the only one I have ever encountered with such a large number of players agonizing over unsuccessful characters.
Personally I think the bugs and unbalanced weapon skills has caused the majority of the issues. Every character I have seen successfully navigating the game must rely on magika centric builds and most go destro and resto at some point. This is why there is such a huge outcry among NB because most do not want to play a mage archetype or they would have rolled a sorc to begin with. Either Zenimax is deficient in their understanding of what constitutes a rogue archetype and expects everyone to be sir castalot, or they have a significant imbalance which needs addressing.
Edited by dracobains_ESO on June 3, 2014 9:26PMIRONCLAD of Ebonheart Pact
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭There are 4 distinct character classes. They are different. There is no way you should be able to tank an NB with any great success because they are not built to tank. To make that possible would destroy the difference between the classes, just for one, and make the game a lot less interesting.
I started with a sorc and have 2 now. A vampire witch, who is very powerful but a bit delicate. I play her as a weapons platform. I have a more robust sorc who will probably be my main, I keep trying for a Battlemage build and he is pretty good. He swaps out armor, all enchanted, and eats food to gain different attributes depending on the quest. It's 3 2 2 with the 3 types useful as the main.
I have a DK who I play once in a while and I am almost useful with him. My 2 NBs are fun. My Kajiit is starting to really rock as I get a better grip on the class. My Templar a level 50 cook really is developing. The idea of real healing on the fly is kinda neat.
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The single player bosses are really build and character checks. They will show you what you are doing wrong if you give them a chance. Step back, look carefully at what happened, maybe read some forum, go try again ... but different. Don't do the same thing and expect a different result.
I have the huge advantage of knowing nothing about MMOs. I just came to fight and I'm learning how. It is a boatload of fun for this old man, 68 in a couple of months, because it's all new stuff, and I'm starting to get almost good, in some areas.0 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No they are to get you to change, not to prove anything. The really bad advice you got makes it difficult though as you are trying to use a stealth assassin for front line duties. Get over that and your guy could be very good.
The weapon spec means less than many of the other parts of your build and it should be possible to change your goal.
If you really want a tank just roll a DK or Sorc, but the DK is built for that. A Sorc can take almost any role but that's because of the more general nature of their build. They are not as good as purpose built class builds though. An NB can easily out sneak and out assassinate anyone. A DK built right can be almost impossible to kill, but lacks DPS, in that build. A Templar can heal so well it's almost a sin to use em' for other things but can tank and do good DPS. A Sorc can bring more smack to the party than anyone but will always be somewhat fragile.0 -
dracobains_ESO✭✭✭Bow is good for melee due to Magnum Shot, but ranged will give you all sorts of fits. It is not an easy path and suffers tremendously from the poorly designed Stamina. I think you can have more success with DW as primary and then switching to Bow for fights where it is effective for any assassin style.
There used to be a couple gimmicky ways to get through the content but both of those have been nerfed or broken. NBs are probably the hardest class to play right now if you are using the traditional rogue archetype. Most NBs are building a caster NB that are having success. Personally, I'll go play Pong before I do that.
While I have not done it myself, everyone I know who knows this game extremely well raves about NB tanks so don't let anyone dissuade you from that path if it is what you want. I think they use resto for secondary though. One thing I know almost all of them do is allocate all their points into health or a majority.
Good luck.Edited by dracobains_ESO on June 6, 2014 5:35AMIRONCLAD of Ebonheart Pact
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dracobains_ESO✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Nobody raves about NB tanks, nobody.
lol... yea this looks like "nobody".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/77246/nightblade-tanks-dont-waste-your-time/p1
That is just one single thread among many. This individual tried to claim NBs were horrible and look at the number of players shooting him down... does that look like nobody to you?
Mark Twain once said famously, ""It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."IRONCLAD of Ebonheart Pact
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Go for it . I was just trying to help the OP.
I have a tank, I have a couple of NBs, my son runs a VR1 NB. I dunno, you gotta be crazy.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on June 6, 2014 5:33AM0 -
dracobains_ESO✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »Go for it. I was just trying to help the OP.
I have a tank, I have a couple of NBs, my son runs a VR1 NB. I dunno, you gotta be crazy. [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming].
If players can make it work well for them how on earth is that madness? I always thought one of the goals of the developers was to allow these sort of creative builds and they even have a thread dedicated to these builds. Perhaps you think the developers are braindead fools as well then?
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on June 6, 2014 5:37AMIRONCLAD of Ebonheart Pact
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Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »
I just really wonder why VR 1's make videos on youtube killing lvl 10 lvl 12 and lvl 25
That vid tells me how pathetic my NB is.. Actually the only VR1 i saw at the end...cause i skipped the half vid you attacked him 3 vs 1 ?
Trully NB is an amazing class..
As for hard class you mention..try to find a VR10 DK and post me a video.
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The video illustrates well what NBs are good for. They were never made to go frontline, except for certain tasks. An NB can do all that stealthy stuff and burst on targets with almost 100% criticals done right. You don't really want to tank one but that is just my, somewhat educated, opinion.0