1h and Shield and Stamina ?

Volla · June 2014

At the moment the shield is one of the most overall and over-powerd setup in pvp.
for one reson. It don't cost anything to parry. I meet guys that parry's for 15 min and heal them self meanwhile and with a templar setup you can kill 4-6 ppl at the same time with a good play style of blocking with shield.

I strongly believe it have to cost something to block an attack, some stamina loss during so you cant block into infinity.

2 ways this may be implemented -

when blocking you loose stamina in a slow manner.
or when blocking you loose stamina per attack.

Please let me know if this is a good idea or if is not please make a creative answer.

// cheers guys.

DeLindsay · June 2014

Have you never ran with 1H/Shield before in ESO? It's costs a hell of a lot of Stamina to interrupt attackers. Now if I just want to hold my shield up that costs nothing but I also can't use any abilities while I'm blocking. If ZoS adds a Stamina drain just by holding the shield up that'd seriously effect actual tanking in PvE. They might want to look at seeing how they can balance it ONLY for PvP. There are some MMO's that XYZ ability has different effects against players than it does against NPC's.

Quaesivi · June 2014

Actually you can use skills while blocking and it can continue blocking, weird thing. It costs roughly 200 stamina or something per attack to block. For that long blocking, either using potions or has a good regen and a good stamina pool.

DeLindsay · June 2014

Aenthel wrote: »

Actually you can use skills while blocking and it can continue blocking, weird thing. It costs roughly 200 stamina or something per attack to block. For that long blocking, either using potions or has a good regen and a good stamina pool.

That's odd, when I use any ability (not a potion) it lowers my shield for the moment it "casts" said ability and then I put my shield back up, maybe it's bugged for me then.

hamon · June 2014

some things can be cast while blocking , not all

Lord_Hev · June 2014

Getting hit while blocking lowers your stamina. You cannot block forever.

Volla · June 2014

how come ppl block for 15 min ? and it seems they have a 360 degree shield :P
i don't loose stamina when i block. i can in practice block forever.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Getting hit while blocking lowers your stamina. You cannot block forever.

Lord_Hev : You have shield ?

Volla · June 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Have you never ran with 1H/Shield before in ESO? It's costs a hell of a lot of Stamina to interrupt attackers. Now if I just want to hold my shield up that costs nothing but I also can't use any abilities while I'm blocking. If ZoS adds a Stamina drain just by holding the shield up that'd seriously effect actual tanking in PvE. They might want to look at seeing how they can balance it ONLY for PvP. There are some MMO's that XYZ ability has different effects against players than it does against NPC's.

Interrupt and just blocking is to different manoeuvres.

Interrupt yes Right + left click cost stamina, But just Right click i don't loose any stamina.

EdonilTebaun · June 2014

Just right clicking will not lower your stamina if you're not in combat/getting hit. The effect to stamina while blocking incoming attacks comes with the impact (i.e. when something would normally hit you). So, yes, you can block indefinitely as long as you're not actually getting hit with anything. However, as soon as you're actually warding off attacks, stamina drops like a rock. And heavier attacks drain more stamina while blocking.

I think if you're having problems then maybe you're facing people who are using stamina pots with stamina boost food and have specced into passive abilities that increase their stamina pool/stamina regen.

And yes, I do use 1h+shield as a tanking DK along with a couple pieces of medium armor to improve my stamina regen through the armor passive. One on one fight, I've usually got stamina to spare. Two on one, I'm probably low or out. Three or more on me and I've gone to 0 stamina more than once.

dennissomb16_ESO · June 2014

If you are moving while holding the right click you will use stamina, getting hit looses stamina, and of course an action like interrupt will loose stamina. Some magica abilities can be used while holding right click, I do not think any stamina based abilities can, but not 100% sure on that

Volla · June 2014

I gonna give you an example.

Me and my friend saw a lonely templar jumping around near a gate. so we jumped the guy (some guy Potato something

)
This dude bashed my friend to death in second, then we start to fight. I was avoiding hes rushes meanwhile we got some more from our side.
A group of 5 ppl came to aid. This guy just blocked and moved so he had all in front of him all the time. when he got like 20% health he insta healed himself. After aprox 10 min fight all was dead again except for me and him. i was still avoiding my friend manages to come back from dead to help, got killed again... Bashed in second's and now i was out of all tricks and stuff and had to low health and pretty pissed of.
The guy just blocked and bashed all to death.
When all was dead he start jumping around just like we meet him before the fight

This is what i mean. No offence to mr potato guy ( hats of good play, Tactical ) but 1hand and shield taking out 7+1 ppl ? something is wrong here.

This guy was actually taking on 5ppl at the same time.

Korkhan · June 2014

Volla wrote: »

A group of 5 ppl came to aid. This guy just blocked and moved so he had all in front of him all the time.

Based on your story this guy was fighting 6 mannequins not real players so I find it hard to believe.

Shiaxi · June 2014

I find your story hard to believe as well; blocking attacks DOES cost stamina; although there are passives to reduce the amount of stamina it costs, there is always a stamina cost left.

furthermore, he managed to keep 5 players in front of him? what did the attackers do, twiddle their thumbs and use emotes? That doesn't necessarily sound like tactical play by the blocker, but like inept play of your allies, especially since blocking impairs movement speed, pretty sure even with the combat movement passive (not sure if that one even works now) so you should really be able to get behind him.

1h + shield is meant to be a tanking spec so he should be able to withstand a lot of punishment from the players surrounding him, but him killing all of you of is more than likely your own fault and (I'm sorry to say) a l2p issue.

Maulkin · June 2014

Volla wrote: »

The guy just blocked and bashed all to death

This is sooo last month.
Now:
a) block costs more
b) bash costs even more
c) bash does no damage

So I find the story of a perma-blocking, shield-bashing templar holding off (let alone killing) 6 people hard to believe. I can't do it with my DK anymore and with my Green Dragon Blood, I have one of the best stamina regens in the game.

If your story is true either you fought very badly, or that templar is using some form of hack. In any event what you're describing is no longer possible and therefore not an issue in PvP anymore, thankfully.

Volla · June 2014

Templar with 1 hand and shield - i can confirm this story is genuine and true.

He blocked healed himself for i think 10 min during the fight.
and yes it was before the patch.

With full specced 1hand shield it don't almost cost anything to use the shield or block. and you can reduce this to almost zero with some gear adjust.

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Volla · June 2014

Shiaxi wrote: »

I find your story hard to believe as well; blocking attacks DOES cost stamina; although there are passives to reduce the amount of stamina it costs, there is always a stamina cost left.

furthermore, he managed to keep 5 players in front of him? what did the attackers do, twiddle their thumbs and use emotes? That doesn't necessarily sound like tactical play by the blocker, but like inept play of your allies, especially since blocking impairs movement speed, pretty sure even with the combat movement passive (not sure if that one even works now) so you should really be able to get behind him.

1h + shield is meant to be a tanking spec so he should be able to withstand a lot of punishment from the players surrounding him, but him killing all of you of is more than likely your own fault and (I'm sorry to say) a l2p issue.

you probably never met a guy like this then...
there is an issue with shield so you can interrupt the animation and have 99.9% blocking time and make enormous dmg.

this is both showed on youtube in some clips and used by many players.
can check an example here -
youtu.be/RPoKHYhigII

drackonir · June 2014

No offence but OP is just trolling

Keeping shield up and blocking cost stamina!

With a good build Stamina regen can sustain multiple blocking of light attacks as they do not take too much stamina but once you get hit but heavy attacks you are done. Blocking 4-5 heavy attacks at the same time drains your whole stamina pool, leaving you defenceless. So if you struggle while fighting shielded players in PvP you are not doing it right.

Edit:

That video? OP is definitely trolling and never tried to use a shield in combat.

skoomatrait · June 2014

guys don't feed the tr ll

mutharex · June 2014

Why post this nonsense if you have no idea what you are talking about???
It takes 5 minutes using a shield to realize you are either dumb or trolling

Stratti · June 2014

He is trolling . None of what is said makes sense in game

NewBlacksmurf · June 2014

In short if someone picks a race and passive skills/weapons they can be VERY effective at blacking and healing keep stamina, etc.

I don't understand the concerns. Each race has passive a. Guild and armor/weapons have passives.

Add in skills/stat boosts, set boosts and food/potions.

Success for many who have taken time to perfect their builds