Nerf Volcanic Rune - Enough Already ( ZOS tested this and found it to be working as intended)

FunkyBudda · June 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This ability is being exploited by players in LA with serious magicka regen and endurance to spam this over and over as part of a rotation . This needs a cooldown.

I was next to a V10 that had this on a 4 second rotation constantly juggling mobs.

It is ridiculous and makes the game unbalanced for non magicka based classes.

Please fix this

I bet you play a DK Vampire that gets kicked nowadays by people who are exploring abilities out of their main class line.

What's next? Make Fighter guild abilities not spammable, because (after 1.2) going to kick the vampires back to their graves?

Huhuhu. Trolls like you are ruining the game since Beta.

I beg your pardon.....

I play a dk sword and board tank with a second spec bow.
I only PvP for fun...
And instead of reading the post like so many of you kiddies ... I am talking about an AOE exploit and a cool down timer that should already be there to be fair.

I am not going to repeat what I have said above. It needs a nerf plain and simple.

And you need to learn to read before responding

What is the cooldown on the Burning Talons?

You should not trying to post on the same forum contradictory posts, because some people might read them all.

here I quote youself, of your "humble melee" character

Use petrify to cc . Use power bash to cc and then lead with power bash which disorients the mob hit whip which makes it stunned hit it again which does the follow up attack then finish with a power attack - you may have to follow up with another hit,

Reapply power bash on the petrified target rinse repeat.

And you complain about the Volcanic rune?

he just got WTF PWNED.

Stratti · June 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This ability is being exploited by players in LA with serious magicka regen and endurance to spam this over and over as part of a rotation . This needs a cooldown.

I was next to a V10 that had this on a 4 second rotation constantly juggling mobs.

It is ridiculous and makes the game unbalanced for non magicka based classes.

Please fix this

I bet you play a DK Vampire that gets kicked nowadays by people who are exploring abilities out of their main class line.

What's next? Make Fighter guild abilities not spammable, because (after 1.2) going to kick the vampires back to their graves?

Huhuhu. Trolls like you are ruining the game since Beta.

I beg your pardon.....

I play a dk sword and board tank with a second spec bow.
I only PvP for fun...
And instead of reading the post like so many of you kiddies ... I am talking about an AOE exploit and a cool down timer that should already be there to be fair.

I am not going to repeat what I have said above. It needs a nerf plain and simple.

And you need to learn to read before responding

What is the cooldown on the Burning Talons?

You should not trying to post on the same forum contradictory posts, because some people might read them all.

here I quote youself, of your "humble melee" character

Use petrify to cc . Use power bash to cc and then lead with power bash which disorients the mob hit whip which makes it stunned hit it again which does the follow up attack then finish with a power attack - you may have to follow up with another hit,

Reapply power bash on the petrified target rinse repeat.

However you attracted my attention. Because I read recently your other posts here earlier today, bashing any magicka ability, while at the same time, you have other posts about spamming Burning Talons at Craiglorn content.

Simpleton.
Lava whip is single target dps now we lost bash
Power bash is a sword and board ability only
Power attack is a heavy attack with a sword

Choking talons I use in tanking - hence Craiglorn and the bugs that there are there (bug report post)

So tell me buddy. If. I'm a sword and board with a bow as well how is that contradictory.

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Quaesivi · June 2014

So... lets see... I'm a Full Stamina build, wearing Heavy Armor, using Bow for Ranged DPS, and even I can spam Volcanic Rune, heck thats pretty much the only Magicka skill I use on my Bow bar.

So how is that unfair for Stamina builds again? It takes roughly 0.5 seconds to shoot, 0.5 seconds to activate, and if you seriously can't see that ball of light shooting towards you, landing on the ground, and walking onto it, considering it is a Hard CC and can be blocked by immunity if you did a CC break (or at least its supposed to be).

I really, truly fail to see the point of your post, you are incapable of using 2 fingers on mouse to press both keys at once or you know, press a direction key to move, your whole post is invalid, but congratulations on making a pointless post to get people to hate you and have a popular thread.

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Stratti · June 2014

Aenthel wrote: »

So... lets see... I'm a Full Stamina build, wearing Heavy Armor, using Bow for Ranged DPS, and even I can spam Volcanic Rune, heck thats pretty much the only Magicka skill I use on my Bow bar.

So how is that unfair for Stamina builds again? It takes roughly 0.5 seconds to shoot, 0.5 seconds to activate, and if you seriously can't see that ball of light shooting towards you, landing on the ground, and walking onto it, considering it is a Hard CC and can be blocked by immunity if you did a CC break (or at least its supposed to be).

I really, truly fail to see the point of your post, you are incapable of using 2 fingers on mouse to press both keys at once or you know, press a direction key to move, your whole post is invalid, but congratulations on making a pointless post to get people to hate you and have a popular thread.

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Wow

I'm talking about spamming it. Not its existence. If u spammed it with bow while applying Scorched earth well that would be an exploit plain and simple. The mobs would nt have a chance and you would be just another crappy player who spams OP ability

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Stratti · June 2014

Aenthel wrote: »

So... lets see... I'm a Full Stamina build, wearing Heavy Armor, using Bow for Ranged DPS, and even I can spam Volcanic Rune, heck thats pretty much the only Magicka skill I use on my Bow bar.

So how is that unfair for Stamina builds again? It takes roughly 0.5 seconds to shoot, 0.5 seconds to activate, and if you seriously can't see that ball of light shooting towards you, landing on the ground, and walking onto it, considering it is a Hard CC and can be blocked by immunity if you did a CC break (or at least its supposed to be).

I really, truly fail to see the point of your post, you are incapable of using 2 fingers on mouse to press both keys at once or you know, press a direction key to move, your whole post is invalid, but congratulations on making a pointless post to get people to hate you and have a popular thread.

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Follow up

You said some nasty things in their about brains etc. I'm talking about a PVE exploit that is being used to farm mobs without them touching the caster

Seriously ....

Alurria · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

So... lets see... I'm a Full Stamina build, wearing Heavy Armor, using Bow for Ranged DPS, and even I can spam Volcanic Rune, heck thats pretty much the only Magicka skill I use on my Bow bar.

So how is that unfair for Stamina builds again? It takes roughly 0.5 seconds to shoot, 0.5 seconds to activate, and if you seriously can't see that ball of light shooting towards you, landing on the ground, and walking onto it, considering it is a Hard CC and can be blocked by immunity if you did a CC break (or at least its supposed to be).

I really, truly fail to see the point of your post, you are incapable of using 2 fingers on mouse to press both keys at once or you know, press a direction key to move, your whole post is invalid, but congratulations on making a pointless post to get people to hate you and have a popular thread.

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Wow

I'm talking about spamming it. Not its existence. If u spammed it with bow while applying Scorched earth well that would be an exploit plain and simple. The mobs would nt have a chance and you would be just another crappy player who spams OP ability

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You need to read the posts replying to you. You want to hurt other classes because you feel slighted. We all know it. And you're being ridiculous about it. You don't know what a exploit is either.

kasain · June 2014

No more nerfs!!!!!!
Anyone who wants a nerf unsubscribe as you don't like the game. Go crawl back to the mmo you enjoyed.

Goodbye.

GreasedLizard · June 2014

doesn't give any class the advantage. Read some lore books and stop whining

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Simpleton.
Lava whip is single target dps now we lost bash
Power bash is a sword and board ability only
Power attack is a heavy attack with a sword

Choking talons I use in tanking - hence Craiglorn and the bugs that there are there (bug report post)

So tell me buddy. If. I'm a sword and board with a bow as well how is that contradictory.

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First of all, by calling me kid, simpleton and my brains are enough to work for McDonalds. By that you just insult me. Btw I am as old as your father mate.

Second you show that you do not accept any form of criticism, and your only defence is insults, not the dialogue. Reasoned discourse is out of your league it seems.

Third. What is the CC ability of Burning/Choking Talons, and what is the cooldown of it?
You use it to control the mobs in Craiglorn , according to your post 7 days ago on another discussion.

Fourth. Petrify (which according to your post above you use) is a DK, magicka based ability yes or no? Does this has cooldown?
How much damage the Shattering Rock IV is doing, after 12+ seconds of Stun?
Is it not AOE doing around 800+ bonus damage, PLUS 33% to set the affected off balance?
Does this morph has a cooldown? Doesn't it cost less than the Volcanic Rune?

Gern_Verkheart · June 2014

Stop crying for Nerfs, FFS!

Zenimax needs to buff the classes and abilities that are lagging behind, not nerf the good ones so they are as crappy as the bad ones.

Quaesivi · June 2014

When I said piece of garbage, I actually meant your post, not you personally, but I guess you have doubts.
Also, read carefully, again, I'm not insulting you in any way, I'm just saying unless you are incapable and have those qualities, it should not be a problem. It may be on the borderline of an insult, but it is not an insult at all, if you are getting offended by that, it is not my fault.
Every skill, is in fact, spammable, that is the road Zenimax took with the -No Cooldowns- attitude.

Volcanic Rune -> Spammable CC, available to everyone
Bombardment / Scatter Shot -> Spammable CC, available to everyone
Shield Charge / Power Bash -> 2 separate CC, both spammable, both available to everyone
Uppercut -> Spammable CC, available to everyone
Trap Beast / Silver Bolts -> Spammable yet situational CC, available to everyone

So, there are actually more spammable CC that is available to everyone that is based on Stamina, only 1 CC based on Magicka, so if you are a Magicka build, your CC almost always depends on your class.

So yes, I still, fail to see your point, and I'm having doubts about what you are trying to accomplish.

Mablung · June 2014

Volcanic Rune = God Mode!

The best nightblade abitility in the game!

Gorthax · June 2014

ok first off; being able to SPAM a skill EVERYONE has EQUAL access to is NOT a exploit...nothing about what you are crying about is an exploit. I myself have geared for massive regen and massive reduction in cost. Am I exploiting here? I use volcanic runes to control mobs, and in pvp most the times unless people ARE COMPLETELY STUPID, its hard to hit people with. So whats the issue here? Once your body hits the ground, YOU CANT be juggled again. There IS a lag time in being knocked up. How do i know? because I thought I could do exactly what you are crying about, guess what....you cant.

Xnemesis · June 2014

PTS notes state they have a cc immunity in effect to prevent repeated uses of cc so stop crying already I am sure it will hit live when the content pushes.

Alurria · June 2014

OP is this true?
Third. What is the CC ability of Burning/Choking Talons, and what is the cooldown of it?
You use it to control the mobs in Craiglorn , according to your post 7 days ago on another discussion.

Fourth. Petrify (which according to your post above you use) is a DK, magicka based ability yes or no? Does this has cooldown?
How much damage the Shattering Rock IV is doing, after 12+ seconds of Stun?
Is it not AOE doing around 800+ bonus damage, PLUS 33% to set the affected off balance?
Does this morph has a cooldown? Doesn't it cost less than the Volcanic Rune?

OMG....I think they need a cool down and of course an increased cost....it must be a ......wait for it...............Exploit! Whoever heard of abilities being used in the intended manner for which they were designed. Ohhhh the humanity.

I borrowed this from the post above me....hope you don't mind.

Inco · June 2014

NO.. screw that! And a special "L2P" goes out to you for even suggesting it...

As a Templar Healer that is the only thing keeping me alive when solo and level.

Everyone has CC's they can spam and that's the only one worth anything to Templars. So put a sock in it and MOVE out of the BIG SHINY CIRCLE on the ground if you don't want to fly up in the air in PVP land.

temjiu · June 2014

In spite of the fact that I feel that there are many things they need to tone down in the game, I'm not a fan of making constant nerfs to skills in the game when there are so many setups that are UNDER-performing right now.

Like your post OP. I agree with you in one part...that any build seriously using Stamina at this point is hosed. but that's due to the horrible balance existing for stamina skills right now.

Take away that disparity, add a bit of damage and a bit more support skills to the 2h tree, and Volcanic Rune spam becomes far less of an issue.

Other examples given in this thread are templars and tanking NB's. in templars case, they simply need a huge boost in about 3/4 of their areas. they are, on the whole and large, a perfect example of an under-performing class.

The NB is another example of bad balance. they aren't under-performing in most areas like the Templar, they are more like a pendulum. set them up with a few very narrow and select skill setups, and they can actually solo group content. the rest of their skills are so broken, that they are worse off then the templars if your playing with those skills. again, this class needs serious rebalancing, and it wont be pretty during the process.

Overall, they REALLY need to balance the under-performing classes and skill trees in this game BEFORE they start to nerf everything that is being used outside of their intended capacity. because until all setups are equal...we won't know if the skills are over-performing, or are working as intended.

some are obvious. when you can solo group content with a specific skill setup, something in that setup is causing the skills used to be far too powerful. But for most...we need to balance the game first, then the hot spots will show up.

Catches_the_Sun · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

If its the stamina dudes trying to nerf everything to their level please ZENIMAX learn to say NO or even a *** you!

I think it's pretty clear this is the stance Zenimax has taken on Stamina builds.

Stratti · June 2014

People are missing the point and failing to recognise that volc rune is a spam able ability that when in PVE can be used to smas a group of 3 down down.
Choking Talons isn't spam able in the same way at all. No dk tank will have magicka for that
Power bash is single target not AoE
Etc etc

I have no interest in PvP. Argue all you like. If you think that this ability should stay as is then you don't care about balance . Simple as that

Alurria · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

People are missing the point and failing to recognise that volc rune is a spam able ability that when in PVE can be used to smas a group of 3 down down.
Choking Talons isn't spam able in the same way at all. No dk tank will have magicka for that
Power bash is single target not AoE
Etc etc

I have no interest in PvP. Argue all you like. If you think that this ability should stay as is then you don't care about balance . Simple as that

You fail to recognize that there can be no balance with out fixing what is broken first!

Maulkin · June 2014

How many more people gonna fall for this?
1st class trolling, well done sir

Mojomonkeyman · June 2014

Devs opened the box of pandorra by listening to terribads with their patching. Scrubs will still cry and scream for nerfs when every spell in this game is made equal, because... they are scrubs. And better players will still obliterate them, even if they have to use light attacks only.

I recommend Sirlin`s "Play to win" for a good read, OP. You may find yourself somewhere in the text.

Regards

Stratti · June 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

How many more people gonna fall for this?
1st class trolling, well done sir

Shhh don't tell them. I love how the PvPers jumped. I bet they don't even read this post....
I've actually managed to get people to research my previous posts to determine that I too use cc

Still it needs a nerf the ability is too OP

Stratti · June 2014

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Devs opened the box of pandorra by listening to terribads with their patching. Scrubs will still cry and scream for nerfs when every spell in this game is made equal, because... they are scrubs. And better players will still obliterate them, even if they have to use light attacks only.

I recommend Sirlin`s "Play to win" for a good read, OP. You may find yourself somewhere in the text.

Regards

Is that PvP?

Inco · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I have no interest in PvP. Argue all you like. If you think that this ability should stay as is then you don't care about balance . Simple as that

One ABILITY available to EVERYONE does not impact "Balance" and I've no idea how you think it would if ANYONE can use Volcanic Rune. So... your 5 minutes are up please step away from the microphone now.

As mentioned.. ZOS does need to FIX Stamina builds and THAT I agree needs to happen. Then spammable Stamina based CC's we can complain about later to be nerfed.

Stratti · June 2014

Inco wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I have no interest in PvP. Argue all you like. If you think that this ability should stay as is then you don't care about balance . Simple as that

One ABILITY available to EVERYONE does not impact "Balance" and I've no idea how you think it would if ANYONE can use Volcanic Rune. So... your 5 minutes are up please step away from the microphone now.

As mentioned.. ZOS does need to FIX Stamina builds and THAT I agree needs to happen. Then spammable Stamina based CC's we can complain about later to be nerfed.

Simple question:
Should a LA with mad regen be able to have 100% upkeep on volcanic rune while still applying dps on 3 v6 mobs without being hit once.

Then move to the next pack

While other classes like mine have to bust it to kill all three - use multiple abilities and take longer

Or is your answer that we should all have this ability maxed out and switch to magicka regen....

Balance doesn't mean availability to all
Balance means not overpowering others to the point of all of us abandoning play styles to follow

Capice?

Yankee · June 2014

GrimCyclone wrote: »

Someone shut this guy up. He's trying to mess with the one skill us VR soloers can use for CC and group stun.

Perfectly logical. Nerf Volcanic Rune so something that works well in VR leveling does not work well anymore. That way you can share in the misery of someone who does not choose to use this mage guild skill which is available to everyone.

Only when everyone has been brought down to the agony of a pure stamina/melee/class skills only build will things be fair.

Because it is just not logical to even consider asking for a buff to stamina weapon skills instead of wanting to nerf a skill anyone can use.

And what is even more tragic is ZOS is likely to follow the OP's logic, because it is easy. Sad part is there are other threads crying for mage skill nerfs so the OP is probably serious.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

Next up: cc is OP and regen is OP, we should all spec SnB and wear mobs down with our tears of boredom.

@the OP:
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Stratti · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

GrimCyclone wrote: »

Someone shut this guy up. He's trying to mess with the one skill us VR soloers can use for CC and group stun.

Perfectly logical. Nerf Volcanic Rune so something that works well in VR leveling does not work well anymore. That way you can share in the misery of someone who does not choose to use this mage guild skill which is available to everyone.

Only when everyone has been brought down to the agony of a pure stamina/melee/class skills only build will things be fair.

Because it is just not logical to even consider asking for a buff to stamina weapon skills instead of wanting to nerf a skill anyone can use.

And what is even more tragic is ZOS is likely to follow the OP's logic, because it is easy.

Really?

So when shield bash was gutted and an entire play style demolished they called us DK sooks and told us to l2p

When we said wait till it's your turn you scoffed at us

Now there is another OP ability and look at the response - a response that tells me one thing:

YOU ALL KNOW IT IS COMING

Reap what you so all you who complained about shield bash because the nerf bat will soon be passed back

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This ability is being exploited by players in LA with serious magicka regen and endurance to spam this over and over as part of a rotation . This needs a cooldown.

I was next to a V10 that had this on a 4 second rotation constantly juggling mobs.

It is ridiculous and makes the game unbalanced for non magicka based classes.

Please fix this

Obviously you dont do VR dungeons they would be completely un doable with out VR they destroyed all the CC and utilit in this game because of all the whinning they d theat to Rune and no one will be completeing any content. Zos was very short sighted in the group mechanics of the content .