Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »
This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"
They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class
lmfao
We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.
DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).
What?
I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!
My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an executewhich does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
Do anyone see what are ALL, i repeat ALL COMMENTS doing here?
They're all competing to see who has the worst class.
When someone says DK is bad, four people response "Oh you should try templar" "Oh, NB is ***, you should be happy".
In other case, a templar post for example.
"Oh, templar isn't ***, you should try DK, that's ***"
in other terms, people are just like.
-All the classes are OP except mine. So i'm gonna throw *** about my class and say that every other class is OP in every nerf thread i see.
Grow the *** up.
Also, excuse my english.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
Blackwidow wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »
That would take actually thinking about your abilities, much harder than typing a well-thought-out post on a forum. I guess they don't actually do either though, being Trolls themselves.
I think it is unfair to call him a troll, just because he has a hard time killing stuff.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an executewhich does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an executewhich does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
Come on man, I knew you would bring up Ambush. It's a decent gap closer, but that's it. You can't kite with it, you can't escape with it, it's only useful as a gap closer. That's all. You could just as easily replace it with shield charge. The only movement buff NBs have is in stealth IF we have Concealed Weapon slotted and only boosts STEALTH movement by 22%. I'm surprised you brought up the shades teleport to be honest. I had pretty much forgotten about that skill as no one uses it. If we had an ability like Bolt Escape, then you might have a point.
As for our so called burst, all you did was list a few of our damage abilities... Where's the burst DPS you speak of? Concealed Weapon and Death Stroke are two of our best low cost damage abilities sure, but they don't compare to what a Sorc or DK can pull off. I was hoping you had some secret build to show me... The best DPS build NBs have right now uses non of the specific skills you mentioned.
That cause templar don't have any magicka regen skills unlike all other classes. In beta we had the best, but just before go live, the killed it into the ground. But we just used lots of potions and healing staff to get by.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I just hope they wont nerf the magicka regen that the healing staff charge atk got.
Being a templar that does come in handy.
Fix our resource management skills and that will fix 90% of the templars issues.
All other classes can have endless mana for long fights if they use the right skills. Templars HAVE to use healing staffs and potions
ITT staff/LA DKs are OP coming from broken Nightblades and Templars who demand balance based on their broken subpar classes
ITT ZOS obliges rather than fix Nightblades and Templars
For those who even DARE to call balance to DKs, which I am one, for NERFS.....you are not just wrong, you are insulting Zenimax for doing exactly what all of us wants them to do. BALANCING!
Stop thinking about only YOU. Open your mind and look at the whole. Balancing will never be 100%, ever. But these comments about NERFS for DKs are just embarresing for us DKs.
There are 4 classes in the game, but the BASE idea is that the class itself does not define your "class". You build do. And skills are always up for balancing.
I FAIL to understand these comments when something gets changed that some feels makes them less powerful, that they would quit!?!?!?!
Are these people such bad players that they cant adapt and play good unless their character skills are better then others?
Common!!
STOP IT! Play the game!
DKs are still better and more desired in endgame groups than NBs or Temps.
No, you don't understand. Templars are the worst class. NB's are firmly in 2nd place for worst class, I'll grant them that! You can't haz our trophy, NB's.
And, you should read a few of the reactions to people posting about Templar's and NB's plight in this thread, and the laughing out loud at DK's who say they will be underpowered now. This might shed some light on your confusion.
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »
This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"
They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class
lmfao
We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.
DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).
What?
I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!
He's obviously never played a NB. I always bring up the fact that: NB (and templars to some extent) are literally being ignored for trials because of how bad we are compared to everyone else.
read: We're so bad we're not even a candidate for trials (Obviously for most groups. I know some guilds and blah blah, but as a whole)
edit: Forgot to mention something. We literally have a topic just for NB and it's future fixes. We are so bad we're getting special attention so that we have hope.
LOL. My just-shy-of-VR10 live NB (that did all up until VR8 inside of normal vet zones before Crag hit) would like to talk to you in PVP. So would my VR6 PTS NB that I played for about 4 months before launch. You talk of not playing an NB, well you may have one too but you haven't ever played it beyond begging for buffs apparently.