NERF THE GARGOYLE

Shunyakaruna · June 2014

Ok, I'm not one to usually scream nerf. And I've let this problem sit for a while; I had it back when I was a lower level sorc. when facing Gargoyles.

My stats:
Veteran Lvl 6 Sorc.
All purple gear
All powers fully maxed
All weapons fully maxed
You get the picture ...

And yet, out of all the superior enemies with one bar that I've ever fought, it is ONLY and ONLY the gargoyle that eviscerates me; I stand no chance, no matter what power, what skill sets, what potions, nothing. He just slams me into the ground, and I'm left wondering why EVERY OTHER enemy is essentially easy to kill. I've taken on WORLD BOSSES by myself with more ease.

Bottom line, you need to nerf the gargoyle. I'm a solo-type player that doesn't necessarily want to group to finish a non-group mission; it takes me out of the experience, and it contradicts the point of a playing by yourself.

Please, please, please, nerf the gargoyle.

Crescent · June 2014

If you think Gargoyles are bad you have yet to meet Storm Astronachs.

silent88b14_ESO · June 2014

Gargoyles are bad enough that I tend to die past them if I cannot avoid them. I'll try to take the first one out but if I fall I'll ghostwalk past them.

Just carry enough filled soul gems.

Rilyharytoze · June 2014

Three words...Dual Wield Sparks

Woolenthreads · June 2014

From what I can make out, Gargoyles share the same behaviour patterns and weakness of the trolls but are tougher.

RivenCsky · June 2014

Shunyakaruna wrote: »

Ok, I'm not one to usually scream nerf. And I've let this problem sit for a while; I had it back when I was a lower level sorc. when facing Gargoyles.

My stats:
Veteran Lvl 6 Sorc.
All purple gear
All powers fully maxed
All weapons fully maxed
You get the picture ...

And yet, out of all the superior enemies with one bar that I've ever fought, it is ONLY and ONLY the gargoyle that eviscerates me; I stand no chance, no matter what power, what skill sets, what potions, nothing. He just slams me into the ground, and I'm left wondering why EVERY OTHER enemy is essentially easy to kill. I've taken on WORLD BOSSES by myself with more ease.

Bottom line, you need to nerf the gargoyle. I'm a solo-type player that doesn't necessarily want to group to finish a non-group mission; it takes me out of the experience, and it contradicts the point of a playing by yourself.

Please, please, please, nerf the gargoyle.

Hehe try killing them as a Templar. Basically ghost run and bypass them or keep ranged at all times.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO · June 2014

Gargoyles are hard? what?! No, come on guys how are you having a hard time on gargoyles? They dont do anything except melee and walk way slower then you can sprint. If I can kill them on my nightblade you sorcerors should have no problem. Obviously dont try to melee them unless your a tank, just kite them and then come back and tell me they are hard. If you think they are hard wait till you have to fight a veteran storm atronach.

Please dont nerf gargoyles, you can come here and ask for help, but dont try to ruin it for anyone who likes the challenge.

Siliconhobbit_ESO · June 2014

I USED to kill them with Shield Bash...

NOW I just avoid them altogether...

Nox_Aeterna · June 2014

I dont even try to kill them , i just run till i die and go doing this till i bypass them all.

Ofc , half of them , because there are also bugged gargo that take CC ,those i solo without a problem.

kasain · June 2014

Shunyakaruna wrote: »

Ok, I'm not one to usually scream nerf. And I've let this problem sit for a while; I had it back when I was a lower level sorc. when facing Gargoyles.

My stats:
Veteran Lvl 6 Sorc.
All purple gear
All powers fully maxed
All weapons fully maxed
You get the picture ...

And yet, out of all the superior enemies with one bar that I've ever fought, it is ONLY and ONLY the gargoyle that eviscerates me; I stand no chance, no matter what power, what skill sets, what potions, nothing. He just slams me into the ground, and I'm left wondering why EVERY OTHER enemy is essentially easy to kill. I've taken on WORLD BOSSES by myself with more ease.

Bottom line, you need to nerf the gargoyle. I'm a solo-type player that doesn't necessarily want to group to finish a non-group mission; it takes me out of the experience, and it contradicts the point of a playing by yourself.

Please, please, please, nerf the gargoyle.

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NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Evilbeauty · June 2014

Damn can't say I struggle against gargoyles as a sorc unless I don't have enough room to kite or I happen to pull extra mobs...

kasain · June 2014

prism, D curse, wait 7 seconds for MP regen, repeat. It Is hard if closed quarters or other mobs around I do admit. But they are nothing compared to a harvester, troll or such.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · June 2014

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Nox_Aeterna · June 2014

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Sometimes , not always heh , now dont ask me why some are and some are not :P.

The ones i found that are not cc imu , are the ones main story related in the DC faction.

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · June 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Sometimes , not always heh , now dont ask me why some are and some are not :P.

The ones i found that are not cc imu , are the ones main story related in the DC faction.

No it was the lady clarisse laurent quest where you got to kill the gargoyle at the end, others were doing the quest though so didn't have trouble getting the kill although I remember it not being cc'able.

Shiaxi · June 2014

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Sometimes , not always heh , now dont ask me why some are and some are not :P.

The ones i found that are not cc imu , are the ones main story related in the DC faction.

No it was the lady clarisse laurent quest where you got to kill the gargoyle at the end, others were doing the quest though so didn't have trouble getting the kill although I remember it not being cc'able.

godz I hated that quest.. wiped the floor with the whole map before those gargoyles but those gargoyles really sucked.. especially if you try to kite em and pull a couple of goblins on top of it

ArRashid · June 2014

Pff, Gargoyle AoE attacks can at least be avoided.. tell me how to deal with Harvesters, after 1.1.2 broke their mechanics!

- standard: uninterruptible "lift" spell immediately followed by orbs (when she's standing near wall, they spawn like 2 cm from her and there is NO WAY you can destroy them fast enough, as you are still just falling back to the ground, still stunned)

- broken: her heavy dmg spell can no longer be interrupted (and so bash, instead of stunning her and putting her off-balance, just drains your stamina) - you just get hit by it no matter if you bash it or not.

so far the only tactics I've found is to LoS her till she's away from any walls, then run circles around her to avoid getting hit by her heavy spell.. and not even that works every time.

Shiaxi · June 2014

ArRashid wrote: »

Pff, Gargoyle AoE attacks can at least be avoided.. tell me how to deal with Harvesters, after 1.1.2 broke their mechanics!

- standard: uninterruptible "lift" spell immediately followed by orbs (when she's standing near wall, they spawn like 2 cm from her and there is NO WAY you can destroy them fast enough, as you are still just falling back to the ground, still stunned)

while harvesters really are a *** to kill, you can actually escape from the lift animation if you have enough stamina to utilize the cc breaker; will still spawn the orbs but you are free to move and attack again.

I routinely use the ultimates to kill em fast (drop a standard and the orbs don't have a chance

)

mssteffie · June 2014

I could be completely wrong but is this that one particular gargoyle when your doing the quest with the original vampire guy? If so you don't try and kill him (Im a sorc and tried as well) you just lead him to "knock" over the 3 statues using the beams to hold the woman in place..then the gargoyle dies.

reften · June 2014

HA have to agree here. Bow/NB, and I got lit up pretty good due to these guys being immune to cc. Now I just sneak past or fight them when I have a little help.

Can't just nerf everything...I see it as a challenge. You can sneak past them if necessary...or just get a little help. One other player and it's no sweat

kasain · June 2014

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Some are, but I don't normally CC. I do 80% the time on kite mobs demonic curse. Nothing resist it yet. And my macro makes it so I can do that and prisim bind and AFK kill almost any monster.

CC takes to long in animation. D curse, is a three second delay. This in turn allows the D curse to be cast and you to recast prism while the monster is still bound. This is why so many dungeon bosses, world bosses "skulls" die while afk watching TV.

Woolenthreads · June 2014

*sigh* I have to ask; "How many of you are using burning effects against the gargoyles, that is, effects which put them on fire?". As a Sorcerer I was having no issues with either singleton gargoyles or the trolls because I was lighting them up with a flame enchanted lightning staff. When they do their ground pounding they activate regeneration. The regeneration doesn't overcome the effects of burning though, so attack them with burning effects. Mind you, it's easier to work out when the summons are drawing all their ire and you have time to observe.

cortechsnub18_ESO · June 2014

Didn't realize gargs were vulnerable to fire like trolls.

Harvesters are still pretty easy, just circle-strafe them and you will never get hit by the "hands" attack. You even have several seconds to pound on them from behind when they cast it. I mainly use bow, but go in and melee harvesters as it is safer and easier.

Redwyrm · June 2014

Shunyakaruna wrote: »

Ok, I'm not one to usually scream nerf. And I've let this problem sit for a while; I had it back when I was a lower level sorc. when facing Gargoyles.

My stats:
Veteran Lvl 6 Sorc.
All purple gear
All powers fully maxed
All weapons fully maxed
You get the picture ...

Nope... once again, welcome to non-wow-clone, gear quality mean very little in this game.

I would maybe sympathise to you if you would play templar. But you are playing freaking sorc, and its sooooo easy to deal with gargoyles as sorc simply by using one skill - bolt escape. They have ZERO ranged DPS, and thus completely unable to damage you outside of melee range.

Kililin · June 2014

Actually Storm Atronachs and Harvester (even harvester type bosses) are easier than Gargoyles with my Sorc.
I dont think Gargoyles should be nerfed, just to put it into perspective.
Also Bolt escape is no solution in pve, the complaints about that skill are from pvp.
You cant kite everywhere, and it is also not worth the time for anything. Except i would need one for a quest.

Redwyrm · June 2014

You don't need to kite everything, only melee-cc-immune mobs. Gargoyles, giants... heck even storm atronachs... yeah, yeah, stormies do have two ranged attacks. But one can be blocked/dodged, another one easily avoidable. Its a melee stormies attacks that will kill you in no time.

Dekkameron · June 2014

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

NO, your a sor, learn yoru job. You can solo these in yoru sleep. CC, prism, it dies. I won't flame you, but you seem high lvl and not able to use your skills.

Aren't gargoyle's immune to CC? I recall trying to stun one in bangkorai yesterday and text came up saying too powerful for that effect.

Sometimes , not always heh , now dont ask me why some are and some are not :P.

The ones i found that are not cc imu , are the ones main story related in the DC faction.

No it was the lady clarisse laurent quest where you got to kill the gargoyle at the end, others were doing the quest though so didn't have trouble getting the kill although I remember it not being cc'able.

That quest i found unable to solo as a Templar/bow spec. they would just pound on you.

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

cortechsnub18_ESO wrote: »

Didn't realize gargs were vulnerable to fire like trolls.

Harvesters are still pretty easy, just circle-strafe them and you will never get hit by the "hands" attack. You even have several seconds to pound on them from behind when they cast it. I mainly use bow, but go in and melee harvesters as it is safer and easier.

The hands attacks aren't the scary part.

Getting hit with an instant, non-telegraphed, hard cc that also does 1600 damage (with 1800 spell resist

is what I find rather irritating.

ThisOnePosts · June 2014

As a vamp night blade mind you... I have solo'd Storm Atronachs, Ice Atronachs, Gargoyles, Harvesters, Titans, etc... c'mon now... both pre-vet same levels or higher and the same for vet levels (although not higher anymore since I am VR12).

It's all about mechanics. If you pay attention in the fight...which you are forced to as a Nightblade and vamp... so even more so when you're both... I also keep a bar for melee and a bar for ranged. I time my ultimates, dodge rolls, potions if needed, etc... it's definitely doable. Gargoyles have a lot of health in some parts of the game however they are manageable.

The only thing I'd like to really see a fix on in regards to combat (not talking broken skills, etc..), is how NPC enemies can hit you through walls and such yet you can't do the same back. Whether it be melee, aoe, magic, etc.. I ran into a group of incendiary enemy mages (about 5 of them got aggro'd from the 3 that were standing together.. ALL FIRE!!). I managed to kill them however when I naturally tried to break line of sight their abilities were like homing missiles so I immediately had to run in there and do work on them while avoiding the major aoe's and using stuns, etc.. It's not often that I stumble upon so many fire-attack-based enemies at once, however it's not just them.. it's basically any enemy that can cast some sort of ability or AOE --- which is many! Go test it for yourself. I can't say if it will always happen... I burst damage enemies to death before they can realize they are being attacked most of the time, however this is something I've noticed for some time now.

Rylana · June 2014

...

Have you tried a snare or knockback...

Bhakura · June 2014

If you cant solo it, team up? Last time i checked this was MMO?