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Why do so many ignore the group challenges in dungeons.

Hypertionb14_ESO
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They award skill points, are pretty easy to trio or duo, untill vet rank ones you can usually solo them...

yet you see people just completly go right past them or breifly look into the room and just run off if they dont see any normal mobs.

sure some like the one Toothmaw dont work right atm. (never respawns in that case) but most are just triggered by a interactable object, which often can be triggered again right after a kill. in fact these fights sometimes seem like good places to level...

so next time you are in a Public Dungoen (the ones with massive groups of mobs) be sure to check out the Group challenge.
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  • Jade_Knightblazerb14_ESO
    Bots don't do group challenges silly...
  • Natjur
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    Because a lot of the group achievements are still bugged and currently don't give skill points and I don't trust ESO to give the skill point retrospectively when they do fix them.

    Also a lot of them only update if your the one doing the killing blow which is stupid as that means a single group will have to kill the same boss at least 4 times (if not more if they can't 'trigger' the final blow correctly)

    So in summary, too many bugs
    Edited by Natjur on June 3, 2014 12:11AM
  • BrassRazoo
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    I actually didn't know they awarded a skill point until my mate told me.
    So at VR9 I went back and did them all starting at Crows Wood in Stonefalls.
    Picked up about 10 skill points in a few hours it was great.
    Definitely recommended.
    Some kind soul posted some very useful maps here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87891/public-dungeons-missing-achievements-missing-skill-points/p1
  • drogon1
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    Bots don't do group challenges silly...

    What I was gonna say lol.

  • Dayel
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    Because while this is an MMO and it is nice to have people about, grouping is still extremely problematic if you happen to be sensitive to rude, crude and nasty persons who see this as a deathly serious matter as opposed to an amusing game. Being only a fair player, I got tried of listening to drivel, so unless someone in the middle of a dungeon happens to ask me to group at a tough spot, I do not. And given the trading nature of guilds, one does not develop the kind of friendships that would overrule the above situation.
  • stevenpotter321b14_ESO
    I would say that it is mostly that many people don't know about group challenges to begin with. They are not clearly identifiable, they don't always spawn, and any clue to their existence is hidden in the achievements tab.
  • Shaun98ca2
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    BrassRazoo wrote: »
    I actually didn't know they awarded a skill point until my mate told me.
    So at VR9 I went back and did them all starting at Crows Wood in Stonefalls.
    Picked up about 10 skill points in a few hours it was great.
    Definitely recommended.
    Some kind soul posted some very useful maps here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87891/public-dungeons-missing-achievements-missing-skill-points/p1

    Im going to say a LOT of people don't know. Most forum goers don't realize that they are a minority that most people playing the game don't come to these forums at all. Then for the ones that do its STILL not well known about the group challenges, as I frequent these forums I just recently a few days ago found out about group challenges also.

    So yea your gonna see a LOT of people run in and out of those dungeons without a clue about the free skill point.
  • zhevon
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    I frankly think its crap that you have to join an actual group to get the skill point. I don't mind grouping; I've had a lot of fun grouping but I enjoy the rather odd free-for-all of the public dungeons/delves.
  • ShedsHisTail
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    Last couple groups I've run public dungeons with didn't -know- about the group challenges. It's not like they're well advertised, and if your group charges past the spawn point and the boss is down, they'll never know they missed it.

    And, unless they changed it since last week, you don't have to be in a group to get the skill point. I went back and snagged a few I missed solo last Tuesday.
    Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 3, 2014 1:36AM
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  • Cody
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    I do them.:/ I just wait till people come along that are willing to group. iv waited half an hour sometimes. I ignore them if they argue like idiots, as long as they can do the challenge, I could care less about their behavior.
  • bugulu
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    Natjur wrote: »
    Because a lot of the group achievements are still bugged and currently don't give skill points and I don't trust ESO to give the skill point retrospectively when they do fix them.

    Also a lot of them only update if your the one doing the killing blow which is stupid as that means a single group will have to kill the same boss at least 4 times (if not more if they can't 'trigger' the final blow correctly)

    So in summary, too many bugs

    Alot? Mind naming them?
    Because I can name two.
  • ZiRM
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    I don't need anymore skill points unless they let us start unlocking skills from other classes... HiNT HiNt!
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  • Kahina
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    And, unless they changed it since last week, you don't have to be in a group to get the skill point. I went back and snagged a few I missed solo last Tuesday.

    Correct. I did the Bad Mans Hollow snake mother without being in a group and got the achievement and skill point. It wasn't exactly solo as another player came along, but we didn't group.
  • leandro.800ub17_ESO
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    I am doing them . Currently VR4 and soloed them all until now. As for bosses some of them with help
  • ThisOnePosts
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    For me, after completing every single one in the game, only a few were bugged. The rest worked just fine. If you need to find other people, just start a group instead of waiting for one to advertise.
  • Shaun98ca2
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    Kahina wrote: »
    And, unless they changed it since last week, you don't have to be in a group to get the skill point. I went back and snagged a few I missed solo last Tuesday.

    Correct. I did the Bad Mans Hollow snake mother without being in a group and got the achievement and skill point. It wasn't exactly solo as another player came along, but we didn't group.

    In TESO that is pretty much a group. The real only advantage of being in a "party" with them is its much easier to see their health bar.
  • Rylana
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    I am owed six skill points by ZOS currently.

    Until I get those skill points I am doing no more group challenges.
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  • redspecter23
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    Why don't people do them? There isn't a big glowing arrow pointing them to go there. Honestly, that's my excuse. I just assumed it was a dead end and kept on walking.

    That may sound silly, but from the moment you step off the boat you get it burned into your head that you set a quest and follow the arrows. If you see a glowing black arrow while on your travels, go up and check it out. No arrow? Nothing to see here. Keep moving.

    I only knew these bosses were a "thing" after I did some research online. I don't blame other new players for having no clue.
  • Shaun98ca2
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    There should probably be a quest associated with the challenge for the skill point. The other challenges in the dungeons are really just there for the completionist but the skill point SHOULD have a quest and then a tool tip stating this a GROUP EFFORT.

    PLUS these mobs are a B$t@h to find cause they actually spend a LOT of time dead lol. I sent 4 hours in Toothgull whatever its called looking for 2 mobs I needed to kill for an achievement NEVER FOUND them. Just gave up and left.
  • ayriennub17_ESO
    Shaun98ca2 wrote: »
    BrassRazoo wrote: »
    I actually didn't know they awarded a skill point until my mate told me.
    So at VR9 I went back and did them all starting at Crows Wood in Stonefalls.
    Picked up about 10 skill points in a few hours it was great.
    Definitely recommended.
    Some kind soul posted some very useful maps here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87891/public-dungeons-missing-achievements-missing-skill-points/p1

    Im going to say a LOT of people don't know. Most forum goers don't realize that they are a minority that most people playing the game don't come to these forums at all. Then for the ones that do its STILL not well known about the group challenges, as I frequent these forums I just recently a few days ago found out about group challenges also.

    So yea your gonna see a LOT of people run in and out of those dungeons without a clue about the free skill point.

    I'd say your right. I'm on the forums everyday and didn't know about them till this thread. Guess I missed earlier ones. Thanks to the OP for making this thread, I'm gonna have to check it out when I get home. I can always use more skill points.
  • mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO
    I was vet 6 in Stonefalls, killing spirits around a ruin in the Crow`s wood . When I killed the last of them ..a Boss spawned!! It was very easy to solo, since he didnt reset and I could kite him around the ruin while I was recovering stamina, When I killed the boss ..He gave me a Skill point and achievement, that was the time when I learned about the group challenges, xD.

    Its hard to learn about them (IMHO) because : They arent usually on the path of the quest , they are sometimes hidden in the dungeon (like the one in Crow`s wood ) and sometimes they didnt spawn yet because someone else kill it, etc.

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  • Falmer
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    This might sound SAD, but my guess is that they don't have a triangle hanging over their heads, so most people don't even realize they are there.

    This was always my argument against quest markers. People start running from triangle to triangle and no longer bother to stop and look around once in a while.
  • Adramelach
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    Wait, what are you guys talking about? Group challenges? Unless I've been lucky or they are obvious, I have completely missed the boat on this...
  • games99b16_ESO
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    I tried the Ratmaster or whatever hes name is. Tried four times and got no update. After the fourth try i just stod a little on the side looking at my map and wondered where to go next. He respawned and bang i got update when some other ppl killed him. I did not throw a singel spell or anything on him.
    Made me laugh :)
  • kirnmalidus
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    I just went back through and did a bunch on Saturday. Most worked fine, but at least one didn't award the skill point and another (coldharbour, lost village) wasn't giving the achievement to anyone. About eight people were stacked up trying to do it when I got there. They invited me to their group, so we were all grouped, and we killed it about three more times before I left. Nobody got the achievement (not even the guy with the "killing blow").

    This may help people find them: http://tamrieljournal.com/public-dungeon-group-challenge-conqueror-guide/
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    I tried the Ratmaster or whatever hes name is. Tried four times and got no update. After the fourth try i just stod a little on the side looking at my map and wondered where to go next. He respawned and bang i got update when some other ppl killed him. I did not throw a singel spell or anything on him.
    Made me laugh :)

    That is a world boss, not a group dungeon event.
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    - @ruze84b14_ESO
  • ShedsHisTail
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    I just went back through and did a bunch on Saturday. Most worked fine, but at least one didn't award the skill point and another (coldharbour, lost village) wasn't giving the achievement to anyone. About eight people were stacked up trying to do it when I got there. They invited me to their group, so we were all grouped, and we killed it about three more times before I left. Nobody got the achievement (not even the guy with the "killing blow").

    This may help people find them: http://tamrieljournal.com/public-dungeon-group-challenge-conqueror-guide/

    I got the Lost Village achievement and skill point on Saturday.
    There's like half a dozen bosses in there and only one gives the skill point. You sure you got them all?
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  • Hypertionb14_ESO
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    The Group Challenge is usually off the beaten path, but is generally a obvious thing..

    in the lost village its the only Deadric Titan in the zone, in a cave room behind a door before the final bit of the dungoen, a door that most zip right by without ever noticing it isnt just more scenery.

    I have noticed:

    1: the ones that are Triggered interactables are often the most overlooked.

    2: the ones that have to respawn the mobs before starting often bug out the most easily.

    3: Most of the time people in chat dont even know what you are talking about if you link the achievement.

    Add in the factor of how badly bugged achievements are (tried to do crows wood conquerer in vet but NONE of the normal bosses updated the achievement and they were hit and miss for party members with only one actually manageing to get all of them) and we have a great source of skill points that just are not given a thought..


    alot of the challenges are fun to, the one in Root Sunder infinite spawns weak skeletons constantly for a minute or so before they try and summon the Bone Giant.

    That one was really fun to do at VR1,

    I was able to solo the Village of the lost one, since it was just a single mob and i was playing Sorc. Just stood behind a rock and set out pets. if one died i just sent resummoned. Tho i guess i didnt techinically solo as a Templar eventually came when it had 2-3k hp left and pitched in with some DPS (died really fast at that point^^)
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  • stevenpotter321b14_ESO
    Maybe not a triangle, but maybe when you enter the zone a quest pops up saying find and destroy said critter. That would signal to players that there is something else there, but they need to search for it.
  • Bhakura
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    Personally dont really care for achievements, and its not like getting skillpoints is so hard, heck by the time you reach level 40 you should be swimming in spare skillpoints unless you put a skillpoint in everything the skillpage has.
    But if i see people ask for group achievement, sure ill join, why not if im there, but really not gonna look for it.
    Edited by Bhakura on June 4, 2014 12:50AM
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