People that feedback for nerfs must be odd people. For PVP is one thing, but PVE? Who are they?
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Sure, you're getting owned in PVP so you want someone nerfed so it's a fair fight. But PVE is every man on his own. Even worse it's every man on his own or grouped with you. So your nerfs can only hurt. What difference does it make to you what some other guy can do? He's barely effecting you. He can't steal your xp. He can't even steal your drop. Stop being bitter. Stop trying to take people's fun away.
You know what happens when you take away people's fun? They quit and go find another game. You know what happens when they do that too much? They don't have enough subscribers to support them. You know what happens then? They go F2P to see if that's economically viable. You know what happens then? Aaaaaall the WoW type immature kids come in and the community gets turned into a mess.
So go ahead. Keep screwing with other peoples' characters. Why don't you just mind your own business and play your character. Let others play theirs. You gotta meddle dontcha? Can't just live and let live. Gotta be a totalitarian. Everyone has to share your agenda or they're evil right?!
You know what happens when you take away people's fun? They quit and go find another game. You know what happens when they do that too much? They don't have enough subscribers to support them. You know what happens then? They go F2P to see if that's economically viable. You know what happens then? Aaaaaall the WoW type immature kids come in and the community gets turned into a mess.
So go ahead. Keep screwing with other peoples' characters. Why don't you just mind your own business and play your character. Let others play theirs. You gotta meddle dontcha? Can't just live and let live. Gotta be a totalitarian. Everyone has to share your agenda or they're evil right?!
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »What difference does it make to you what some other guy can do? He's barely effecting you. He can't steal your xp. He can't even steal your drop. Stop being bitter. Stop trying to take people's fun away.
When groups are looking specifically for sorcs and DKs while keeping out NBs and templars to clear trials you cant say "he's barely affecting you".
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Leesha✭✭✭It is the pvp'ers who are crying for nerfs to the classes they don't play which in turn affects pve. They don't care how it affects those of us who pve because they only concern themselves with all things pvp.
The only cry for pve nerfs I do support are the ones which are clearly not working as intended and give the class a massive advantage over everyone else.3 -
GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭When groups are looking specifically for sorcs and DKs while keeping out NBs and templars to clear trials you cant say "he's barely affecting you".
I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But I'd rather just buff the classes that aren't wanted as much so they're equally wanted rather than depriving someone's class experience of what it already has been. After all, that person might not even group. So that argument meant nothing to them, Gisgo. They're just left with a weakened system.
It upsets them.
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✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »What difference does it make to you what some other guy can do? He's barely effecting you. He can't steal your xp. He can't even steal your drop. Stop being bitter. Stop trying to take people's fun away.
When groups are looking specifically for sorcs and DKs while keeping out NBs and templars to clear trials you cant say "he's barely affecting you".
How exactly does that affect your ability of creating a group made up of NB and Templar to do those trials.
I play a NB and I do not approve of any damn nerfs to anybody.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)5 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭It is the pvp'ers who are crying for nerfs to the classes they don't play which in turn affects pve. They don't care how it affects those of us who pve because they only concern themselves with all things pvp.
The only cry for pve nerfs I do support are the ones which are clearly not working as intended and give the class a massive advantage over everyone else.
PvPers are mostly asking for buffs, mainly for NBs and templars.
Btw balance is a matter of nerf and buff, cant get around that, would you prefer the game to stay broken?
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But I'd rather just buff the classes that aren't wanted as much so they're equally wanted rather than depriving someone's class experience of what it already has been.
This only works on paper, but its a good argument to get people agreeing with you.
Im not a DEV but im a long time modder, when something needs a nerf, you cant just buff everything else, it will cause even more unbalance and unintended consequences.
Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 7:07PM2 -
GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭I don't like tattle tales. I don't like bitter people who look at other classes and wanna GET them. Sure, if you're truly trying to help the game that's one thing. But if you're some bitter old lady that's just trying to ruin peoples' fun then no.
How much you wanna be that most of the time it's the latter?4 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭How much you wanna bet that most people defending the status quo is playing a light armored, staff DK?
Moot point is moot.
This game is far from balanced, expect the DEVs to nerf and buff what needs to be nerfed and buffed, if they want the game to survive.Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 7:23PM2 -
Leesha✭✭✭It is the pvp'ers who are crying for nerfs to the classes they don't play which in turn affects pve. They don't care how it affects those of us who pve because they only concern themselves with all things pvp.
The only cry for pve nerfs I do support are the ones which are clearly not working as intended and give the class a massive advantage over everyone else.
PvPers are mostly asking for buffs, mainly for NBs and templars.
Btw balance is a matter of nerf and buff, cant get around that, would you prefer the game to stay broken?
I would prefer for the game to not turn into a bland, stale experience like WoW has due to pvp changes that seriously affected pve.4 -
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I'm not arguing that point.How much you wanna bet that most people defending the status quo is playing a light armored, staff DK?
Moot point is moot.
This game is far from balanced, expect the DEVs to nerf and buff what needs to be nerfed and buffed, if they want the game to survive.
Refer back to my topic title "People that feedback for nerfs must be odd people. For PVP is one thing, but PVE? Who are they?"
I'm out to get the people who are trying to break down the game and ruin someone else's fun for the purpose of doing so. What you're talking about is totally different. I mean... you still sound like you're a bit too concerned with it. For instance, I don't and never have looked at another class and been like, "Man they need to weaken them."
Agree or not dude, but when you TAKE something FROM someone, it makes them upset. They are not thinking ahead enough and working the math out and testing it right if they keep having to make these wacky adjustments.
And if they need YOU to tell them what to do then they've already lost. They shouldn't need you to tell them. Sure they should listen to the vast majority, but a few whiners about others being op? No. Just give them a form letter to shut them up.Edited by GrimCyclone on June 2, 2014 7:28PM3 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭You keep mentioning "pvp changes" but all the changes have been made mostly to stop the ability of some classes to solo pve content designed for groups.
So, basically, we had "pve changes" that affected pvp.
Im not even touching the "like WoW" argument.Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 7:29PM5 -
ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭Frankly, pvp changes need to be separate from pve changes. Unfortunately for everyone, distinguishing that is all but impossible, so us pve'rs are going to continue to get the shaft when it comes to balancing things.
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GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭You keep mentioning "pvp changes" but all the changes have been made mostly to stop the ability of some classes to solo pve content designed for groups.
So, basically, we had "pve changes" that affected pvp.
Im not even touching the "like WoW" argument.
Ok I'm done with Gisgo. Time to hear from a new poster that agrees with you.
What you're saying is worse.
PVE is predictable.
Saying what you're saying just makes them look more guilty via more oversight.
They should've seen this.
You do not PUNISH and TAKE AWAY things from players.
And if you do, AT LEAST give them a free respec.
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ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭You keep mentioning "pvp changes" but all the changes have been made mostly to stop the ability of some classes to solo pve content designed for groups.
So, basically, we had "pve changes" that affected pvp.
Im not even touching the "like WoW" argument.
...what? You think all the DK nerfs are because of pve? You're out of your mind.
All the DK nerfs/bash nerfs/etc. are because of pvp balance and the resulting whines coming from AvA.4 -
GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭Good, you said he's out of his mind. I thought it was just him trying to argue me. Since you're saying this others agree and will thwart him instead. I'm going to do something else for a while.0
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »...what? You think all the DK nerfs are because of pve? You're out of your mind.
All the DK nerfs/bash nerfs/etc. are because of pvp balance and the resulting whines coming from AvA.
The DK nerfs are because DKs are broken, pve/pvp does not really matter.
Are we playing the same game? DKs are soloing trials.
TRIALS, not dungeons.
Wake up, guys.
Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 7:35PM1 -
GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭Gisgo isnt agreeing with me. Im done with Gisgo.
I've heard what you were saying.
I'm simply not going to go back and forth and waste my time.
Oh and besides, I'm looking to hear from villains.
Not moderates who want to get into an intelligent debate.
I wanna hear someone confess to their bitter ways.Edited by GrimCyclone on June 2, 2014 7:36PM0 -
ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »...what? You think all the DK nerfs are because of pve? You're out of your mind.
All the DK nerfs/bash nerfs/etc. are because of pvp balance and the resulting whines coming from AvA.
The DK nerfs are because DKs are broken, pve/pvp does not really matter.
Are we playing the same game?
Of course they were broken, but pve players weren't whining about it, pvp players were, because they couldn't beat a broken class.
Why do you think Bolt Escape is so often qq'd over? Because it's broke in pve? Don't make me laugh.3 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »Of course they were broken, but pve players weren't whining about it, pvp players were, because they couldn't beat a broken class.
You are biased. Everyone is "whining" about the game balance, often rightfully so.
You are just trying to blame pvpers because you, personally, dont like pvpers; but you dont have any good argument against them.
Its not pvpers or pvers fault if the DEVs didnt get the balance right.
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ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »Of course they were broken, but pve players weren't whining about it, pvp players were, because they couldn't beat a broken class.
You are biased. Everyone is "whining" about the game balance, often rightfully so.
Really? We're clearly living on entirely different planets then, since when I see a whine about "wow that's OP" it's always in pvp (i can't beat dk's qq). When I see a whine about "wow that was nerfed into useless dust" it's always in pve (there goes my dps build for trials qq).
Funny how that works.Edited by ckf12b14_ESO on June 2, 2014 7:41PM1 -
Ragekniv✭✭✭NBs and Templars have been broken since Beta.
Sorcs and DKs have been OP. Face rolling VR content and dominating Craglorn Trials as well as PVP.
No solidarity was evident when ninja nerfs were established as a precedent by Zenimax.
I agree that pro-active balance is preferred to fire stomping ninja nerfs and nerfs as predicated by Zenimax. Balance apparently will occur in the negative.
Embrace the pain! Your time has come.4 -
GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭What do you have to say to Rage's comment, Gisgo? Gonna argue that too? I think what he said made a lot of sense.0
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »since when I see a whine about "wow that's OP" it's always in pvp (i can't beat dk's qq). When I see a whine about "wow that was nerfed into useless dust" it's always in pve
I told you you were biased
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ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »since when I see a whine about "wow that's OP" it's always in pvp (i can't beat dk's qq). When I see a whine about "wow that was nerfed into useless dust" it's always in pve
I told you you were biased
And I never said I wasn't. It's functionally impossible to play this game and not be at least slightly biased.
I'm just posting observations, which it seems many people agree with.2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »I'm just posting observations, which it seems many people agree with.
People is agreeing with my posts too, whats your point? Its not a +1 contest.
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ckf12b14_ESO✭✭✭ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »I'm just posting observations, which it seems many people agree with.
People is agreeing with my posts too, whats your point? Its not a +1 contest.
Really? Because all I see in this thread is people disagreeing with you.
Have you gotten your eyes checked recently? You're not on any hallucinogenic side effect medication?
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »What do you have to say to Rage's comment, Gisgo? Gonna argue that too? I think what he said made a lot of sense.
I dont think you understood his post, he isnt agreeing with you.
Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 8:54PM0