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Why are you rushing to endgame?
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Drasn✭✭✭✭GrimCyclone wrote: »It's mostly because people have no idea how to moderate their leisure or assess the value in what they are doing. They follow the pack like sheep and think there is going to be some great reward at the end, but there never is. They end up camping the max level char and quitting or starting an alt.
Some guy will quote this and try to refute it, but it's still true for the vast majority. Now that he's read this he's raging hard and wants to fight me, but I'm pretty badass myself so I'd probably beat him up. And after that he'd REALLY get mad so I'd take him out for some ice cream.
Can we skip everything up until the ice cream?1 -
xanikk999✭✭✭I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there! No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits. This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?
How do you define rushing?
Playing for 4 hours a day it's quite easy to hit level cap in only a few weeks. I also disagree about your conclusion that the game is about leveling. That gimmick doesn't fly in MMORPGs.
Sure leveling for the first time in any MMO can be a magical experience. However any company producing an MMO if they know any better knows that if you rely on a sub based model you better keep pumping out content or have some replayable end game. Or else subs decline and they decline hard.
SWTOR had this problem in the 6 months following its release. It was so bad by the end of the first year they had to change the business model to F2P with heavy restrictions to try to pocket as much extra money as they can from their customers.2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Now you figured me out. That went really fast! wow. Or.. how about.. because I am interested? Crazy, I know, but some people come to forums to ask questions they would like to hear answers for.
Way to not answer my original question.
Let me ask that again: why do you care how im spending my free time?
You insist im not playing the game right because im "skipping content" by "rushing the game", but to me pve quests isnt interesting content and i am actually playing at my own pace.
So no, im not rushing or skipping content, either; i just play in a different way from you, because i am different from you.
Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 5:24AM1 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭Now you figured me out. That went really fast! wow. Or.. how about.. because I am interested? Crazy, I know, but some people come to forums to ask questions they would like to hear answers for.
Way to not answer my original question.
Let me ask that again: why do you care how im spending my free time?
I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
Those who tend to play the game by 'taking their time', only want there to be people around once they get to that point. They for the most part appear to be the minority. The fear is that the game dies and leaves them with an empty server or a slower developed game.
For them the only logical action is to want speed gamers to slow down, enjoy the product that is there and patiently wait for the polish to come with endgame later.
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Elirienne✭✭✭✭@Giso, no matter how many times you are asking the same question because you are just unhappy with the original answer, I cannot give you a different answer. Because. I. Am. Interested.
But to be honest, started caring about *your* time a lot less, since you keep complaining about my question. I never said you are not playing the game right, and cannot help if you trot around the internet, looking to be insulted... really there is nothing more I can or want to say to you.1 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
This is called "generalizing" and it doesnt make you look very smart.
Give me a balanced pvp i might stay on this game longer than you; but even if i wanted to rush and quit, its my time and my money.
This is the same old "you are doing it wrong, slow down" thread in a very kind disguise.
Yes you are cool for not rushing, happy now? Because we all know thats all you want to hear.
Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 5:55AM1 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
This is called "generalizing" and it doesnt make you look very smart.
Give me a balanced pvp i might stay on this game longer than you; but even if i wanted to rush and quit, its my time and my money.
This is the same old "you are doing it wrong, slow down" thread in a very kind disguise.
Yes you are cool for not rushing, happy now? Because we all know thats all you want to hear.
You seem to be defensive. Name calling does exactly the same for you. I was not generalizing. I was answering your question. Had I statistics to back my answer up, I am sure it would be infallible. I do not and can only look at MMO history to see that games with a large population who rush to the end are indeed the most vocal about all aspects of the game and do indeed leave based on those gripes or something ...squirrel....4 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Defensive about what?
Its my damn business how i play the game, something you "slow levelers" dont seem to understand.
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭Defensive about what?
Its my damn business how i play the game, something you "slow levelers" dont seem to understand.
You are angry. You should take a deep breathe and try to relax. It is your business and I am not sure why you are saying slow levelers are making it theirs. Their concern is about the health of the game. A problem indicative of a short shelf life are gamers such as yourself. No one is trying to coerce you into playing differently. We are just pointing out the flaw that is your play style when paired with MMOs.
I think maybe you should find someone to give you a quick hug.3 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Dont worry my girlfriend will hug me, and whatever you might think, im definately not angry.
I just find this kind of thread stupid, and sometime i bother answering.
You slow levelers can keep hugging each other and blame us that "rushed" the game if that makes you feel better.Edited by Gisgo on June 2, 2014 6:19AM2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Eh no, sorry, if you want to discuss on a forum, prepare to deal with people that is disagreeing with you; possibly without calliing them trolls.1
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Elirienne✭✭✭✭
I don't think he is trolling, I think tthat he is just angry, clicked on this forum because he wanted to be insulted so that he can , err "disagree" by namecalling, insulting and swearing. Maybe he is just having a moody morning.....
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭I don't think he is trolling, I think tthat he is just angry, clicked on this forum because he wanted to be insulted so that he can , err "disagree" by namecalling, insulting and swearing. Maybe he is just having a moody morning.....
Maybe you are both seeing things
Did you honestly expect everyone to agree with you?
This thread was a trollbait since the very start, you got what you wanted Elirienne.
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Asawasa✭✭✭why do they rush to end game? because they don't care about leveling, or the lore. Raiding/pvp is the only thing they enjoy because of the people they play with. or perhaps its the idea of doing repetitive tasks over and over especially when they have played other games that offer the exact same experience.2
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Mablung✭✭✭✭✭Eh no, sorry, if you want to discuss on a forum, prepare to deal with people that is disagreeing with you; possibly without calliing them trolls.
When someone states that you are trolling they are not calling you an actual troll. Trolling is something fishermen do by dragging a line behind their boats in hopes of catching something, same thing with certain posting tactics on a forum...oh nevermind.
I don't think he is trolling, I think tthat he is just angry, clicked on this forum because he wanted to be insulted so that he can , err "disagree" by namecalling, insulting and swearing. Maybe he is just having a moody morning.....
Agreed. I am moving on now.1 -
Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love to do group content with guildies, but in this game group content is much more difficult pre VR. For group PVP you gimp your team if your not VR12, for dungeons you only get any reward for the 1st play through (the tools also wait for a tank even though one is not needed, if you need to use the tool) and phasing makes grouping for quests a lot harder.
Basically, its a damn fine single player game before endgame, the MMO part only really gets going at or around level cap.1 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭I'm not rushing.
In fact I'm crawling at a snails pace through VR content. Some would say it's a bit of a grind.2 -
Sallakat✭✭✭I don't understand why so many people, like apparently OP, who just wanna quest and quest need to wonder about people who want to rush to end game level. Like what's the point, people play how they want no matter what and no amount of threads about it will make it any different. And that's JUST ALL OK you know.Rebuilt - Aldmeri Dominion
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LordEcks✭✭✭I don't understand why so many people, like apparently OP, who just wanna quest and quest need to wonder about people who want to rush to end game level. Like what's the point, people play how they want no matter what and no amount of threads about it will make it any different. And that's JUST ALL OK you know.
Its like watching someone walking on the street close to you burst into a dead sprint.
He/she gets half a block away and then starts walking normally, or stops completely.
You (watching from behind) are left wondering WTF? That person just hauled complete ass to get nowhere. Theres nothing where he/she is right now.. so why did they do it?
EDIT- Having played lots of MMOs I know exactly why they do it. So no need to educate me. I'm just trying to relay why the people who dont understand why think its odd.Edited by LordEcks on June 2, 2014 7:16AM4 -
I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
Those who tend to play the game by 'taking their time', only want there to be people around once they get to that point. They for the most part appear to be the minority. The fear is that the game dies and leaves them with an empty server or a slower developed game.
The 'rushers' are the one leaving the game first IF the game is lacking the features they are hopping for or when it simply not enjoyable. (ESO has both of those problems
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Those rushers are also those you SHOULD THANKS for highlighting bugs, unbalance, lacks, etc...
Without hardcore gamers wtf do you think games would look like ?
FFS....
The difference of leveling has never been a problem in MMOs .... before WoW. (most MMOs before wow had no "level restrictions" everywhere like now... almost no "level req" for dungeons, stuff, zones, quests... Mainly stats and poeples trying to guess what those stats would allow them to do)
You guys are just beating a dead-horse and calling it a different name : casual and hardcore never been the same, never will be and should never be... what's so *** new about it ? Nothing... What's the problem ? none...
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 2, 2014 4:04PMESO, the great nothing : no PvE difficulty, PvP lags, zero RP tools...
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't understand why so many people, like apparently OP, who just wanna quest and quest need to wonder about people who want to rush to end game level. Like what's the point, people play how they want no matter what and no amount of threads about it will make it any different. And that's JUST ALL OK you know.
Its like watching someone walking on the street close to you burst into a dead sprint.
He/she gets half a block away and then starts walking normally, or stops completely.
You (watching from behind) are left wondering WTF? That person just hauled complete ass to get nowhere. Theres nothing where he/she is right now.. so why did they do it?
EDIT- Having played lots of MMOs I know exactly why they do it. So no need to educate me. I'm just trying to relay why the people who dont understand why think its odd.
That bloke probably did a wicked fart and ran from the scene of the crime.5 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭renaud.moyneb16_ESO wrote: »
I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
Those who tend to play the game by 'taking their time', only want there to be people around once they get to that point. They for the most part appear to be the minority. The fear is that the game dies and leaves them with an empty server or a slower developed game.
What in hell are you on ?
The 'rushers' are the one leaving the game first IF the game is lacking the features they are hopping for or when it simply not enjoyable. (ESO has both of those problems )
Those rushers are also those you SHOULD THANKS for highlighting bugs, unbalance, lacks, etc...
Without hardcore gamers wtf do you think games would look like ?
FFS....
The difference of leveling has never been a problem in MMOs .... before WoW. (most MMOs before wow had no "level restrictions" everywhere like now... almost no "level req" for dungeons, stuff, zones, quests... Mainly stats and poeples trying to guess what those stats would allow them to do)
You guys are just beating a dead-horse and calling it a different name : casual and hardcore never been the same, never will be and should never be... what's so *** new about it ? Nothing... What's the problem ? none... still... you guys ( @Elirienne and @Mablung ) are acting like high-school bi4tchs towards anyone not agreeing.
attention-whorage topic really...
Another, insightful, educated, and dare I say eloquent post from the peanut gallery.1 -
Drasn✭✭✭✭renaud.moyneb16_ESO wrote: »
I would like to answer your question. The answer is that those like you who 'rush' to endgame for whatever reason are generally the ones who leave the game first and complain loudest about the various issues at the endgame.
Those who tend to play the game by 'taking their time', only want there to be people around once they get to that point. They for the most part appear to be the minority. The fear is that the game dies and leaves them with an empty server or a slower developed game.
What in hell are you on ?
The 'rushers' are the one leaving the game first IF the game is lacking the features they are hopping for or when it simply not enjoyable. (ESO has both of those problems )
Those rushers are also those you SHOULD THANKS for highlighting bugs, unbalance, lacks, etc...
Without hardcore gamers wtf do you think games would look like ?
FFS....
The difference of leveling has never been a problem in MMOs .... before WoW. (most MMOs before wow had no "level restrictions" everywhere like now... almost no "level req" for dungeons, stuff, zones, quests... Mainly stats and poeples trying to guess what those stats would allow them to do)
You guys are just beating a dead-horse and calling it a different name : casual and hardcore never been the same, never will be and should never be... what's so *** new about it ? Nothing... What's the problem ? none... still... you guys ( @Elirienne and @Mablung ) are acting like high-school bi4tchs towards anyone not agreeing.
attention-whorage topic really...
Another, insightful, educated, and dare I say eloquent post from the peanut gallery.
Though his wording may not have been choice, he hits the nail on the head. "Slow Levelers" vs "Rushers" is the same as "Casual" vs "Hardcore." And it is that hardcore/rusher group of gamers that ensure that the slow levelers/casuals have a bug free and balanced experience when they finally do reach those levels.
Think about the first of us that reached cold harbor, a bug-filled zone that you actually could not progress through because of a plethora of bugs. Some of us waited over a week for fixes to bugs that were constantly being reported just move forward to another progress blocking bug.
Now imagine if all gamers moved at the snails pace of the average casual. Would they even be aware of the bugs that infested that zone? Would anyone be aware of the decline in performance of stamina based builds vs magicka based builds? Would we even know that templars and nightblades are lackluster compared to sorcs and dks?
While you may not like the rusher/hardcore style, it actually benefits the casual playerbase to have those types of players venture ahead of you.5 -
LordEcks✭✭✭renaud.moyneb16_ESO wrote: »Its like watching someone walking on the street close to you burst into a dead sprint.
He/she gets half a block away and then starts walking normally, or stops completely.
You (watching from behind) are left wondering WTF? That person just hauled complete ass to get nowhere. Theres nothing where he/she is right now.. so why did they do it?
EDIT- Having played lots of MMOs I know exactly why they do it. So no need to educate me. I'm just trying to relay why the people who dont understand why think its odd.
Okay man, that's nice and stuff but seriously... you should avoid picturing things like that... Or why don't you use a car or a phone analogy like everyone ?
(irony)
'cause picturing is really really really worth nothing. It's kid/politician/seller stuff... only argumentless poeples relies on picturing because, simply, you can pick whatever image and make it say whatever you want and then poeples can twist it the way they want, etc...
No offense bro', really just sayin'... avoid picturing at all cost !
Your entitled to your opinion. Personally analogies help me to get a better grasp of things. Your mileage may vary.. and yah the word your substituing "picturing" for is, analogy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not rushing to endgame. I have 5 alts. I level one a bit then level another for a bit. I have one VR2 who is mixing her time between about 30 mins anomoly farming a day and a quest or two in vet content. Got my Khajiit to level 9 and my Orc to level 16 at the weekend. They are working on all crafts between them. The things my main picks up in Craglorn go to help my alts with their crafting. Next weekend I will either be be back on the orc or maybe spend a bit of time with my level 33 Breton.Shunrr's Skooma Oasis - The Movie. A housing video like no other ...
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ForTheRealm✭✭✭I have several alts.
The only reason I rush for endgame with some of my alts is Cyrodill. Sorry, but the highest levels owns lower levels in PVP - due to character and item stats they can use.
My other alts though, more RP-oriented, are progressing in much slower pace :-)1 -
PvP.
That's what I came for mostly.
For this reason there was supposed to be that boosted thing model. I am PvP player in every other MMO only, but in ESO I finally found questing fun. Exploring etc. And as a reward I get killed by two three hits in PvP...
So I fully understand power levelers. But I feel it all wrong. PvP even in MMO has to be skill based, not that top level will be OP to the point where you can slaughter dozen of enemies with finger in your nose.2 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭because you have to be at least v10 to experience all the content and use the armor you want.2
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