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So im VR10 NB and get owned on a lvl 30 group dungeon?
R0M2K
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So i got to VR10 finally completing all the quest and decided to go back and complete all the group dungeons in normal mode, you know, to get the skill points.
I thougth id be one-shotting everything but instead found that im getting owned by bosses 30 lvls below me...
WTH is going on with this game?? Does gear or lvls matter at all??? How come i cant solo a dungeon 30 lvls below me??? Can some one explain it to me???
I knew medium armor+DW+NB was crap but not to this lvl of stupidity to not being able to solo a freaking dungeon with mobs 30 lvls below....
This is a nosense, im i getting balanced down or something because i just dont understand it, im wearing all purple with gold enchants and esting purple food and drinking trifecta pots but still om getting freaking owned by a mob 30 levels below!!
Im done with this ***
I thougth id be one-shotting everything but instead found that im getting owned by bosses 30 lvls below me...
WTH is going on with this game?? Does gear or lvls matter at all??? How come i cant solo a dungeon 30 lvls below me??? Can some one explain it to me???
I knew medium armor+DW+NB was crap but not to this lvl of stupidity to not being able to solo a freaking dungeon with mobs 30 lvls below....
This is a nosense, im i getting balanced down or something because i just dont understand it, im wearing all purple with gold enchants and esting purple food and drinking trifecta pots but still om getting freaking owned by a mob 30 levels below!!
Im done with this ***
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✭✭✭✭✭Unlike other MMOs being 30 levels above a monster in this game doesn't let you dominate it. Your weapons don't actually ever deal much more damage if you look at the numbers and base levels don't power you up as much.
It's something different from other games but personally I think it's better this way. I always found it absurd just because I was ten levels over a monster in a game I was all of a sudden invincible to it.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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VR10 is no excuse for not using your brain/skills in this game
yes, you can solo 1-50 inis (with brain "on") and even V1-V10 Group dungeons with ease (also brain "on") ... but not without skilled play V1-V10 inis (that requires a certain spec and 110% attention)
i brain afked 1-45 inis (at v2)
50 coldhaven i had to respec
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✭That`s exactly one of the things I love the most about this game - That starter and endgame stats are not so far apart from each other that you feel like an invincible god just because you happened to be "endlevel". Love it.Edited by Mojomonkeyman on June 1, 2014 9:01PMKoma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.19 -
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R0M2K✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.15 -
zandilarrwb17_ESOSoul ShrivenWell. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Then that is still your problem.
Though I do agree that it's laughable that the only way a NB seems to work at high levels is in light armour with a staff.Zandilar.4 -
flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Welcome to Elder Staff Online, you cant play how you want and be very good. Their selling point of playing how you want is bs. Yes you can but at the sacrifice of having a gimp character and having a gimp character is no fun.6 -
gronbek✭✭✭The problem is more complicated. The higher level you are the weaker you get in comparisson to mobs. This is completely wrong and ruins the game in my opinion.2
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✭✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
So you don't understand how the class system works, you refuse to use tactics for your build, and you're upset that group content can't be soloed?
Have I got all of your complaints here?----
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Any moderately competent NB would be able to solo a level 30 dungeon in VR10 gear using DW+Medium and any reasonable build. Because he would know how to block ,dodge, interrupt and stay out of the damn bad.
One more thing if you got to VR10 without exploiting and minimal zerg grinding it means that you were able to do all the intended solo content in the game. The devs are under no obligation to ensure that you can pwn dungeons solo if you are extremely over leveled.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)5 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
So you don't understand how the class system works, you refuse to use tactics for your build, and you're upset that group content can't be soloed?
Have I got all of your complaints here?
By class system you mean light armor+staff+ spaming the AOE key? Come on, theres so much *** skill in that...
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jpp✭✭✭Playing NB with the equipment you described is for people who look for challenge.
No easy magic runs - just hardcore play and this is explanation to your question.0 -
R0M2K✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Any moderately competent NB would be able to solo a level 30 dungeon in VR10 gear using DW+Medium and any reasonable build. Because he would know how to block ,dodge, interrupt and stay out of the damn bad.
One more thing if you got to VR10 without exploiting and minimal zerg grinding it means that you were able to do all the intended solo content in the game. The devs are under no obligation to ensure that you can pwn dungeons solo if you are extremely over leveled.
Go power ranger, make a NB, wear medium armor and DW and try solo a group dungeon because IS THE ONLY MFING WAY TO DO NORMAL DUNGEONS IN OPOSITTE FACTIONS SINCE THE WONDERFULL GROUPPING TOOL DOES NOT ALLOW IT OTHER WAY.3 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Any moderately competent NB would be able to solo a level 30 dungeon in VR10 gear using DW+Medium and any reasonable build. Because he would know how to block ,dodge, interrupt and stay out of the damn bad.
One more thing if you got to VR10 without exploiting and minimal zerg grinding it means that you were able to do all the intended solo content in the game. The devs are under no obligation to ensure that you can pwn dungeons solo if you are extremely over leveled.
Go power ranger, make a NB, wear medium armor and DW and try solo a group dungeon because IS THE ONLY MFING WAY TO DO NORMAL DUNGEONS IN OPOSITTE FACTIONS SINCE THE WONDERFULL GROUPPING TOOL DOES NOT ALLOW IT OTHER WAY.
I have played a DW full medium armor NB up to VR7 when I changed to S&B and heavy/light Siphoning tank because of reasons. I had all lvl30 dungeons done by then.
You have a lot of options to do the normal dungeons also.
1.Ask your guild mates. Many people didn't do them early either
2.Go to your faction lvl30 zone and ask people if they want to join you. Some will just take it as easy Skill point without having to search a group.Edited by PBpsy on June 1, 2014 9:45PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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pknecron✭✭✭Meh who cares, im done with the game.
I felt the same when at 27 I went back to Spindleclutch and died to the first boss. So, I just deleted my group quests and went on with my life. The hassle in running group dungeons is just not worth it, but the game itself is great. Take what you like and leave the rest behind.
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moXrox✭✭✭zandilarrwb17_ESO wrote: »Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Then that is still your problem.
Though I do agree that it's laughable that the only way a NB seems to work at high levels is in light armour with a staff.
How many Sorcerer, Templar and DK do you see without light armour and a staff, using i.e. dual wield and doing VR content ?
Like someone wrote already, this game changes slowly into "The Elder Staffs".
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭The group dungeons make the mobs tougher depending on the level of the people who enter. So I can see why it's a problem for you. You should not be able to one shot them. You should be able to win if you use your skills and stuff carefully.0 -
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✭✭✭zandilarrwb17_ESO wrote: »Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Then that is still your problem.
Though I do agree that it's laughable that the only way a NB seems to work at high levels is in light armour with a staff.
How many Sorcerer, Templar and DK do you see without light armour and a staff, using i.e. dual wield and doing VR content ?
Like someone wrote already, this game changes slowly into "The Elder Staffs".
Actually the vid of the guy doing solo delves in Craglorn is a mainly siphoning with S&B and a resto as a secondary utility.His main synergies come from the NB class skills. I have been able to solo some Craglorn bosses without the staff and mix of light and heavy. I am not able to clear everything but it is better than expected considering that it is a group area. With about 40% spell crit chance from various sources you can get enough critical heal ticks to keep you alive in some situation without the need of a resto. The only thing you need is the 20% Crit from the bright spinning ball of annoying awesomeness ,crit chance gear and class abilities. Most other viable popular builds for other classes do need the damn staffs.
Of course I do not deny the diversity problem but it is certainly not NB only problem.Edited by PBpsy on June 1, 2014 10:22PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭I hope you are not serious...I just went and did non-vr Spindle for the skill point as I only went once on my main but the group broke up before the end, I don't know how you could die
I got down to 75% health on the last boss. Really, you just need to use Siphoning Strikes (best skill we have), Sap Essence, Funnel Health, Veil of blades and you are set. Use shades on the last boss. Yes we have broken skills and passives, but those are useful class skills. You can use whatever you want, but aoe is nice for the adds (even cleave, just use stam pots/jewely, stam/magicka food). You build ultimate from all the healing (even though they are level 15 mobs) and can still use veil of blades frequently. Siphon/Force spirit helps as well if you want to use a resto staff in the second.
Light armor is best for magicka, but wear a heavy or leather chest and legs and look cool if you want. Use a 1/shield, dw with steel tornado whatever. Haven't tried bow, but I don't care for volley much.
If you want to solo stuff, like any game, you need to use a build that can do it.Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
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✭✭✭✭I'm not sure how powerful a VR10 is compared to normal dungeon bosses, I never tried playing this way. But they are designed for a group; can't you just find a partner to help you get the skill points? I recently ran the 35-36 dungeons with a veteran friend who also was returning just for the skill points.0 -
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Agreed.zandilarrwb17_ESO wrote: »Then that is still your problem.
Though I do agree that it's laughable that the only way a NB seems to work at high levels is in light armour with a staff.
Case in point: (which I and many others have said countless times across every MMO Ive ever played)
"Players will almost ALWAYS choose the most superior route to power and success, unless the end-goal of Victory is not their desire."
All things being equal, no one chooses to be inferior.
Since the current state of the game permits this, and other options are simply inferior, it will not change until adjusted by the devs.
Most likely, the devs will do what they historically have always done: Nerf the superior combination, removing enjoyment for those that discovered/used it, and not addressing the problem but instead treating the symptom.Edited by OmniDo on June 1, 2014 11:38PM1 -
canghai✭✭✭hahahahahahaha typical NB complaining when they cant plow through something hahahahahahahaha0
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snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Any moderately competent NB would be able to solo a level 30 dungeon in VR10 gear using DW+Medium and any reasonable build. Because he would know how to block ,dodge, interrupt and stay out of the damn bad.
One more thing if you got to VR10 without exploiting and minimal zerg grinding it means that you were able to do all the intended solo content in the game. The devs are under no obligation to ensure that you can pwn dungeons solo if you are extremely over leveled.
Go power ranger, make a NB, wear medium armor and DW and try solo a group dungeon because IS THE ONLY MFING WAY TO DO NORMAL DUNGEONS IN OPOSITTE FACTIONS SINCE THE WONDERFULL GROUPPING TOOL DOES NOT ALLOW IT OTHER WAY.
Hmm first, I am having no issues finding groups in order to do the opposite factions content. Perhaps you need to find a better guild as join it as one of your 5. I have a NB in medium with a bow as my main weapon and DW as my secondary. Some fights are hard some are easy some I can solo some I need a group or partner. The thing is solo content i can do, some group I can do solo but I can not do all group solo nor should I be.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!0 -
DaGhostDS✭✭✭zandilarrwb17_ESO wrote: »Well. Since there is a video of a NB soloing a craglorn boss, i'd say if you cannot solo level 30 ones the problem is not with the class.
A NB wearing a staff and light armor is not a NB, its a temporary fix to me, and i refuse to gear anything but medium armor and dw.... Thats what was presented to me at the creation screen.
Then that is still your problem.
Though I do agree that it's laughable that the only way a NB seems to work at high levels is in light armour with a staff.
yet I'm a dw/medium armor NB and I can solo most vr10 boss without issues, sure the game would be easier wearing light armor and using a staff but I like the challenge and I think the problem lies in front of the screen for most.1 -
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