Why are you rushing to endgame?

Elirienne · June 2014

I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there! No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits. This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?

Elgarr · June 2014

One simple answer.
It's their money, their choice.

Fleymark · June 2014

I'm not rushing, per se, but I'm steadily working my way to it.

PvP, farming and crafting feels like a waste of time of there is still levelling to do. And I wouldn't mind starting an alt at some point but that also feels like a waste of time if the main still has progress to go.

Turelus · June 2014

I know for a lot of PVP players it because they want to stay competitive and actually be able to use legendary armours without needing to throw it away again in a level or two.

I do agree that a lot is lost in a story based MMO when you ignore quest dialogues and skip to max level, however as @Elgarr said it's their money and they can play their own way, they just need to accept that content wont be produced at the rate they consume it.

Pele · June 2014

Elgarr wrote: »

One simple answer.
It's their money, their choice.

This sums it up. Because they can.

Preachan · June 2014

PvP.
That's what I came for mostly.

Silkesh · June 2014

Some players need competition as an incentive to progress and spend time in a MMO.

It is not my case but as someone already answered, it is their choice and I respect it. However, I don't think ESO, being very story-centric, is the best MMO for this kind of players.

Mablung · June 2014

It is more of a reflection of western culture. We want what we want and we want it now. It is like opening a gift on Christmas morning. There is no neat way to tear away wrapping paper, you rip and shred until the contents are revealed as fast as possible. Then it is move onto the next thing hoping it is better than the previous.

Sindala · June 2014

I agree, i'm only level 31 at the moment as I normally get to around level 20 then re-roll the char to something else

I'd think there would be a lot less of a rush to VR12 if there was more space in Vault/bags (and not for stupidly high price of gold).
I get so much stuff from questing and such but now I have no place to put it.
Is it any good?? I have no idea as I have to sell or break it down before I get to find out the items worth.
No space means nothing to do but power-level thru.
Elder Scrolls has never had a lack of storage space till now....and now is where it actually matters. The devs are actively making a game where 'endgame' is the only real way to make enough gold to level up your bags and vault, not to mention the ever increasing over priced item market.

charley222 · June 2014

for pvp or rvr end game mean max level max skill max amour max weapon

Reevster · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

It is more of a reflection of western culture. We want what we want and we want it now. It is like opening a gift on Christmas morning. There is no neat way to tear away wrapping paper, you rip and shred until the contents are revealed as fast as possible. Then it is move onto the next thing hoping it is better than the previous.

Exactly , plus some players have no life and play 24 hours straight sessions or longer pumped up on red bull and or other stuff.....then once they have burned through to the top lvl missing most of the content they then cry about nothing left too do....Sad really ...,

GrimCyclone · June 2014

It's mostly because people have no idea how to moderate their leisure or assess the value in what they are doing. They follow the pack like sheep and think there is going to be some great reward at the end, but there never is. They end up camping the max level char and quitting or starting an alt.

Some guy will quote this and try to refute it, but it's still true for the vast majority. Now that he's read this he's raging hard and wants to fight me, but I'm pretty badass myself so I'd probably beat him up. And after that he'd REALLY get mad so I'd take him out for some ice cream.

Bromburak · June 2014

I was not in a hurry but i had a couple weeks holidays just because of TESO so it gave me a lot of time to play. I didn't skip stuff or quests in my home alliance but I am not questing through vet zones again. I prefer farming dolmen, bosses and public dungeons. When i have a day feel to quest i move on with questing.

Since i am in Vet content i was only testing certain builds and trying out many new things, trying group content solo , see what your skill synergies really can do etc.. I just had and have fun playing my NB and now i am roaming AvA and Craglorn.

I don't care what time it is or how fast or slow things happened. I just love this game , so i am playing it.

Elirienne · June 2014

Elgarr wrote: »

One simple answer.
It's their money, their choice.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Are you implying that I should not be curious?

Elirienne · June 2014

Preachan wrote: »

PvP.
That's what I came for mostly.

Fair enough. I never pvp so wouldn't understand.

Elirienne · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

It is more of a reflection of western culture. We want what we want and we want it now. It is like opening a gift on Christmas morning. There is no neat way to tear away wrapping paper, you rip and shred until the contents are revealed as fast as possible. Then it is move onto the next thing hoping it is better than the previous.

Finally something for the "insightful" button...

Elirienne · June 2014

@Reevster this is exactly where I was going with my thinking, the "crying about having nothing to do bit". At the end of the day when you turn off your computer, it does not matter whether you are vr12 or lvl 10.. what matters is that the two hours you just spent playing, did it give you joy?

McDoogs · June 2014

The game has been out for a while now, it's not like you have to do anything extreme to have hit max by now, especially post-craglorn patch.

Nox_Aeterna · June 2014

Because that is how i play MMOs , i dont "rush" to end , but i dont just waste time on things i consider pointless either.

I spent my time playing doing quests , i wont RP with others , i wont just wonder around for no reason ...

Nope , i do quests and lvl. Currently vet9 , would probably be vet12 , if not for the nerf to the templars zen did which in turn made me stop playing other than feeding my horse and keeping the research going.

In a game like the FOs or ESs (single player) , i would do that kind of stuff , because i know there could be actually cool/unique rewards by doing it. That is not the case in ESO , this is a theme park MMO , i wont get a unique cool item in the first zone because i found a cool quest/chest/... hidden , a MMO will never offer me the same experience a normal ES game would , not that i even expected it to do it , but i wont play it like one because of this.

Ojustaboo · June 2014

Some people get the most enjoyment out of end level raiding (or in ESO also PvP)

When I played Lotro I played 2 mains, one I leveled as fast as I could whenever an expansion came out, so that I could do the raids with my kin/guild, the other I would potter about, reading all the quest notes, taking my time etc.

Neither way is the right way.

I reached level 50 V1 (I always thought you got to level 50 then had to do another level to get to V1, but no they are the same thing) on Friday. Reading all the quests, books etc.

I checked my /played and it was 12 days 6 hrs and 15 mins.

I started with early access which was Sunday March 30th
Last Friday was May 30th

Thats a total of 62 days.

12 days and 6 hrs = 294 hrs.

294 / 62 = 4.74

So for me to get to V1, I have effectively played for 4 hrs 45 mins every day for 62 days

I would not consider that rushing at all (ok not end level I know). I do consider it very very very very worth the money, I haven't had this much enjoyment from a game since I brought FF7 many years ago.

On Friday night, I played for about an hour and got 12000 vet xp points towards the needed something like 450000 for my next rank. I thought that was very reasonable and very happy with that progress.

Other guild members are vet 12 and good for them. They are loving the game as much as me, just finding enjoyment in other parts.

renaud.moyneb16_ESO · June 2014

Elirienne wrote: »

At the end of the day when you turn off your computer, it does not matter whether you are vr12 or lvl 10.. what matters is that the two hours you just spent playing, did it give you joy?

Since it doesn't matter... why do you ask ?

I genuinely wonder the point of your question... probably just looking for a fiew buddys to pat you on the back...

How can poeples be so "genuinely" narrow-minded ? Everybody who is fast leveling isn't necessarely a spoiled exploiting brat... I had fun leveling all my chars, all different ways (one fully completing the game, one only exploring/dolmening/killing world boss and the last one pure mob grinding).... and guess what ? I had fun with three... I'm also a RPer and a PvPer...

Stop trying to put poeples in quivers and try, for a moment, to open your mind...

kassandratheclericb14_ESO · June 2014

Elgarr wrote: »

One simple answer.
It's their money, their choice.

I agree with this. I am not going to do a social commentary on why people go through content like their arse is on fire. I don't do it. I enjoy this game for the RPG/Story aspect. I always enjoy end game content once I get there-but mine is the road less traveled.

That being said...in a new MMO which is heavy on the RPG/Story side of things, I am not sure this is the best place yet for those players that wish to reach end game content. It simply has not been out long enough to build up a significant amount of "end game" things.

It also can not be all things to all people. By hanging their hats in the Elder Scrolls world, Zenimax has from the onset, decided to lean toward a story driven MMO more than the other aspects that an MMO can be.

I try very hard not to tell people how to play their games. I hope the folks that like their experience to be end game content will get more and improved content. I hope that working toward this doesn't make Zenimax forget from where they have come (The Elder Scrolls World.)

Elgarr · June 2014

Elirienne wrote: »

Elgarr wrote: »

One simple answer.
It's their money, their choice.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Are you implying that I should not be curious?

Because you aren't curious, You are trying to argue the case as to why people shouldn't in this game, or is what you have posted something totally different to what myself and everyone else can read.

Elirienne wrote: »

I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there! No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits. This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?

So my reply stands
Because it's their money, their choice.
End of.

tanthil · June 2014

Elirienne wrote: »

I genuinely wonder. In every other MMO that I know, I understand. WoW fun really starts at max level. But this game? Why in the world would anyone want to rush to the end game (and by this I mean vr12)? There is nothing there! No major, epic, all-expansion-length-awaited superboss, no real new challenge compared to leveling, no real gearing options over and above what is being presented through leveling, no house, no wife/husband, no kingdom awaits. This game IS the leveling, the questing, the stories, why are you rushing to the end?

and if WoW had no endgame would you also tell all the wow players to slow down and "not get to max level" like you do these players? or would tell blizzard their game is in a broken state?

pretty sure i know your answer and thats a double standard and i have no idea why you would take zenimaxs side.

Also on the same scenario i made up of WoW having no endgame.. well hey, they have tonnes and tonnes of questing zones that you could just force everyone to complete every last bit to get to max level (nobody likes being able to choose a path while leveling,we actually want ALL the content forced down our throats) and then put 10 more fake levels on top of it all and make everyone level through the opposings factions quests too just so they dont get to the point were they see theres no end game right?

P.S this is an MMO IT NEEDS ENDGAME

Its a subscription based MMO it cant be all questing, now they promised new content every 4-6weeks, so lets say honestly we get it every 7weeks(this is probably being generous as the first update which was obviously well into design pre launch took 7weeks and obviously this game does not have as many subs(revenue) now as they expected when stating 4-6weeks)... assume that's a new zone like craglorn, is that 2months ($30) worth of playability?... even though the next content update is rumored to be 1-2 VR dungeons (no questing zone!!!!!)

theyancey · June 2014

I don't hurry. I leisurely stroll. I have all 8 slots filled, 7 active and 1 mule. I play PvE in all 3 factions, have all crafts, and an odd assortment of race/class mixes. I open every book and at least skim through most. I play a LOT of hours but my main toon, a Bteton temp DPS, is just lvl 36. The rest range from 14-20. I have beenenjoying the colors of the foliage, the architecture, the people, and the rest of what brings Tamriel to life. It makes no sense to me to out race the new content release schedule. At my rate there will always be new adventures ahead.

On a side note, I have never looked forward to a game launch quite so much as I am for WildStar. I played a bit of it in beta. I didn't like it. Then again, I didn't care for WoW either. I won't be buying it for sure. I will most certainly be happy to see their fanboys leave here next week for it. The early access buyers can't get in as their entire network crashed yesterday. Sooo sad. I wonder how many of the negative nellies on these forums are formal or informal agents of WS attempting to create discord and lure players to that cartoonish mess. I'll just be happy to see them gone.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2014

My main character came into life on the March 30th. Two months later is VR3
I play couple of hours per day, enjoy the quest lines, the beautiful designed world, the great acting of the voice actors, exploring and I do not give [snip] about end game content, gear or other [snip].

Nor I do give crap if a class is unbalanced or not. I play a Shield Templar, and even if some content at VR2+ is tough, can go around it.

And I do PvP some days.

In DAOC where I played 10 years, my main character, a Champion, took 8 months to hit 50.

My only grievance for TESO is that, AD quest lines and characters are so good, that you go to EP at Vet and feels sub par if not bad.

I would rather go through 3 times the AD quest lines, than do the EP or DC.

Or maybe that will be fixed when they add the remaining of Elsweyr and Summerset Isles and we do not have to go to the other alliances.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

crislevin · June 2014

I just hope game will still exist before I can travel to all factions with my main.

Leveling is normal in the game, the may not be much content right now for the v12, but hopeful the will be a lot soon.

tanthil · June 2014

Also just to put things in perspective you guys are trying to tell other people how they should enjoy playing games, that sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

It is a very very small minority of the player base of any MMO that actually plays the game for the questing/leveling portion of it first and foremost.

That minority just seems bigger here because of the fact of the dwindling number of people still playing due to that being the only thing to do in this MMO.

You think that's a good thing? good riddance? is that going to be your response?

Well just think of your games future when its just limited to such a small niche of people.

Less people=less subs=less content updates and also barren zones that require group play

But before that they will have to try to go F2P to boost population because barren MMOs just dont work, then you get micro transactions and P2W and all that good stuff, although some f2p models do work im fairly certain zenimax will come out with some absurd f2p model that is terrible as per all the other things they seem to be doing

McDoogs · June 2014

Again, especially with craglorn, it's not hard to hit vr12. The game has been out for two months if you were in early access. That is not 'rushing'.

Also, Pvp-oriented players will always put in the work to get to max level as time-efficiently as possible.

Elirienne · June 2014

@Elgarr...

Because you aren't curious, You are trying to argue the case as to why people shouldn't in this game, or is what you have posted something totally different to what myself and everyone else can read.

Well if you know better what i am trying to do than i do, then who am i to argue with you? *rolls eyes, walks away*.

Elirienne · June 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

My only grievance for TESO is that, AD quest lines and characters are so good, that you go to EP at Vet and feels sub par if not bad.

I would rather go through 3 times the AD quest lines, than do the EP or DC.

Totally agree!! i started in AD and thoght, wow, is this what its like on the other three factions too? ithen no. I dont feel connected to the other npcs at all, but the AD line is amazing