Ah, the old "the game is dying because my guild is dying" trope.

What would an MMO forum be without those?

DireKit wrote: »

This Community is the most hilariously negative We've ever seen in the history of our time playing MMO's and We've been playing for years. It's hilarious how much doom-saying is going on when the games only been released for a few months now.

That. You can't even argue with those ppl.

You could say that some number of sub are really needed to keep the game running.
You could say that this is the launch part of that game and so some just bought the game for tring, playing few time.
You could even say that he is wrong.

You could say a lot of thing, but this is useless because this is not a talk, this is just doom-saying .

I'm guessing it's more like this.

Someone made a guild and spammed zone chat to recruit as many members as they could during the first month of gameplay. Lots of people who wanted to get into a guild signed up, a month later they realised this game wasn't for them and left.
Now that guild has has fallen on hard times because recruitment wasn't kept up, there was no community or active work to make sure members had content.

Melian wrote: »

subecsanur wrote: »

Lol, no this was based on Friday and Saturday night CST (prime time) NA server. Don't tell me you don't notice this, even in starter zones now, waiting to do a Public Dungeon boss to get 1 skill point, waiting for someone to come is common.
Gone are the days where you see those just hanging around to kill the boss to even help.

The bot farming deterant worked but it didn't help regular players either. Bots prevail.

Those bosses are soloable...

Relevance?

In fairness, I think making an assumption either way is unwise. Assumptions generally are.

I think the Wildstar theory has merit, and for sure people will rage there as they have here, some with valid reasons, others not so.

But, yes, the game is dropping off since 1st month, and yes that always happens. Even so, I can understand questions about the future. I don't know, but it does seem as though larger crowds up and leave from MMO to another, not to return. Can I point to any figures? No, I can't.

Come the end of the third month we will have a good scope on how large the community is, and who they mostly are. Some may come back from Wildstar, after a few weeks.

Another thing, is I have not seen much drop in my most active guilds since Wildstar Early Access. But, I think it is simple as some of us are in guilds that were not attracted by it.

Well, the adventure guild I am a member of is losing on the average of five members a day due to 31 days or more inactive. In other words, they have left the game altogether. The three trading guilds I am a member of used to be almost always capped at 500 members; now, they pretty much always have open slots.

One can draw one's own conclusions from these observations. They are just my experiences over the past few weeks.

Locusts migrate. Here they exploited the bejeezus out of ESO. Apparently their guild leaders convinced the developers that the game has to present more challenge for their character (as supplemented by three botted alts) if the game was to have a hope of retaining those guilds.

In response Zen buffed key quest bosses and buffed Cyrodiil mobs to VR5. everything in the game, except non-instanced PvE, was 'fine-tuned' for the very people most likely to migrate to the next 'new' game.

So now the rest of the players, the ones who would actually like to play through the story, are faced with obstructions in the place of quests, which will lock many out of veteran ranks. That locks them out of viability in Cyrodiil even more laughably than the 'virtual 50' does at L10.

Yet those big guilds are the ones listened to during development because they control so many players. The ones that migrated from every single other MMO game as soon as they threw the intended balance in those out of whack. Their performance metrics that were min-maxed to the nth degree skewed the metrics, and try as they might the dev analysts find that even though the players are gone the numbers they left behind remain... so nothing looks like it needs fixing except for the aberration that nobody who isn't min-maxed can complete the main quest line.

Those of us who will be left, will be left an unplayable game unless we min-max and script our combat routines just like those locusts who are now swarming Wildstar. And they will leave Wildstar once they have thrown that one into the dumpster as well.

Those who urge that the difficulty is fine and urge that the megaguilds need more content instead are speaking from self-interest, just as I am. But they will leave of their own volition, where I am being run off by what has happened in the game design.

I guess it is a good thing for Zenimax that I bought 180 days of subscription. Maybe they can turn it around before I give up. Time spent being frustrated rather than adventuring and growing is wasted time on top of that 180 day sub. What is my return for this expense?

But the big guilds invested in fostering group dependency that you built the game for are not going to be around to consume the product, and the design is frustrating for people like me.

bg22 wrote: »

*pushes glasses up w/ pointer finger* "Go back under your momma's blanket and L2P you worthless nub!" *haha-snort-wheeze* *grab inhaler*

Wow that was a great impression. I thought you were just like one of them. Very convincing.

A fairly pointless thread in my opinion.

If the game was a couple of years old, they did a major update and lots of people notice their guild mates leaving, then yes something is going wrong.

But many people buy new mmos, try for a month or so (or with sub based games, try for the included first month) then decide its not the game for them. I have done that myself a couple of times.

Guilds created with a bunch of random players are always the ones that tend to have the biggest drop after the first month.

My guild is an established guild that has played numerous mmos, although I only joined shortly before ESO went live. Sure theres a handful of players that got talked into trying ESO or ones that joined the guild when ESO launched that after the first month decided the game wasn't for them.

Most of the guild are more than happy with it. I'm not saying we don't moan about some of the bugs (we laugh at a fair few too) , but I never ever see any talk about thinking of leaving, infact over the last week people have convinced 2 other guild members who were playing other mmos to purchase it.

Personally I dont think the current multiple guild system using some as trading guilds works. I have never joined one, neither had most of my guild. Those that have, tend to be active in them for a week or two but then are concentrating back on the main guild. They pop back after a week or two away and it appears most other people who joined the trading guild did the same, hence there's not much going on there.

My guild has two guilds, using the other just for its bank, and both banks are always nearly full with stacks of mats, motifs and blue/purple weapons, why would we bother with the effort to join a trade guild when mats are so readily available for free within our guild? We already restrict one guild bank to mats only and the other to only blue and above stuff and no more than 2 of any recipe due to the amount of stuff.

We are contemplating a 3rd bank just for research items, again never having more than two of the same thing and if you take it out and research it, you replace it when its done.

We havent used our guild store at all. If the guild store was open to all players we would use it to sell our duplicate stuff, at the moment I just npc it (and still made 20k in a few evenings after repairing and anything else I needed to buy.

I understand people like different things, but I honestly read some of these threads and wonder if I'm playing the same game. We are loving it, we are loving pvp, many of the quest lines in pve are draw droppingly impressive and immersive. The higher level I get, the more enjoyment I have had.

I log on and group with my guild, I log on and solo. Doesn't matter whether I'm on an alt or my V1 main, I see players everywhere, as many if not more than in any other mmo I have played. Sure its not like release, it isn't meant to be and is no different from any other mmo I've tried where you initially get 1000s of players under everyones feet for the first few weeks, then it thins out.

Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, but reading this forum lately, it sort of looks like many can't wait for it to fail.

bg22 wrote: »

Gilandred wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

This community is the worst I've ever seen, and it's in part of players that make remarks at the end of every post they make just like you did.

Are you so socially *** that you cannot contribute to a thread w/o adding a insult to the end of it?

Wtf, man?

And how exactly does this thread contribute to anything? Does ZOS only know population numbers based on what someone says is happening to their guild or friend numbers? Please. This is another doom and gloom thread meant to cause controversy and/or sensationalism.

Maybe add a comment on what could help?
Regardless, I didn't insult any players directly. That's what I'm talking about.

90% of the ppl in these forums click on a thread, don't even read the OP, type something which is usually completely irrelevant, and then adds some "macho-nerd" comment at the end of the post.

*pushes glasses up w/ pointer finger* "Go back under your momma's blanket and L2P you worthless nub!" *haha-snort-wheeze* *grab inhaler*

We're Martial Artists in real-life and definitely don't have trouble breathing, AND WE HAVE OUR OWN BLANKET. IT'S A HELLO KITTY BLANKET THAT'S PINK WITH KITTY WHITE ON IT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.



Tsch.. Like We'd need our Mum's blanket. WE'LL HAVE YOU KNOW WE EVEN HAVE AN AWESOME GOOGLY EYED UNICORN. SO THERE! Yeah, what now?!

NOTHING, THAT'S WHAT!

Sorry to disturb the hate party but my guilds are growing and I always see people from them online. But nice positive and constructive thread you have going here, kudos

Lynnessa wrote: »

I have another suspicion.

A lot of people got to VR10 in the first month. I've seen people denying it, but that suggests they were playing 8+ hours per day. Spending more time on this game than on a full-time job.

Those people, predictably, got burned out. And many of them seem to have displaced the blame to the game's publisher/developer and the game itself rather than their own lifestyle choice.

I think it's reasonable to believe that *most* players are still progressing and it will be a few weeks before most of the population is doing VR stuff.

Some of us also have the attention spans of a hyperactive horse addled on crack cocaine and speed. So We tend to waAAHHHHGHH! SPIDERS! THE SPIDERAAREEVERYWHEERE!SFASFDAFDASFDASFPOK,ÖEF'¨ÖÖGERGÅE,RÖÅL,L,L,EAÖWEAWÄE

In my guild there has been movement towards WildStar so I also deem it plausible that a bunch of players have moved on, temporarily or not.

On the other hand, if you look at how the game is doing in the media and in reviews, it is ALSO extremely plausible that the draw of new players coming into the game is far lower than the number of players leaving. Consider yourself looking at ESO since launch and having digested the news around it. It really hasn't been positive. And has Craglorn really made a dent in this reputation? I think not. I, for one, don't find Craglorn to be that special and I hardly think players are vocal about it being a fantastic update. In addition, the update has NOT fixed many of the things players are already waiting over 5 weeks for. What is the light at the end of that insane levelling tunnel? I don't see it. Give me my carrot.

The last thing that is also very plausible is that the market for fresh, subbed MMO's has now grown larger with the launch of WildStar. Given the positive responses and the stark contrast to the responses to ESO, you can be sure that we've already seen the biggest influx of new players by now and it is dwindling fast.

From a personal standpoint, I dó feel less of an urge to login nowadays. The last week I've been logging for my research, horse feeding and hireling mail, then moved on to playing some DOTA. Yeah, really. I just couldn't get myself to 'grinding' even more questlines and even more skyshards. I feel, still, that key features and mechanics are off, the amount of viable class builds is extremely limited in end game (for a game that is all about total freedom, this is a BIG disappointment to me thus far) and one class is still severely broken. Critical updates take far too long to arrive. The battle against the botter also feels like too little, too late and stamps ZOS with the label of inexperienced and incompetent in that area.

Sum up the above and draw your own conclusions. They're all pretty logical I'd say. And I am also on a 180 day sub right now, so I think it's safe to say I have a lot of faith in this game. That faith has now turned to 'hoping for... in due time'.

bg22 wrote: »

So, since ya'll have the bestestest guilds in ESO and they're all flurishing w/ ppl, what about Cyrodiil? I've not seen the Cyrodiil population capped in days. I used to be capped several times per day.

And? I don't understand why you are always starting these doom and gloom threads. What's the point? What the utility? Flame baiting? Because I can't see any other