Other MMo title releases and the fate of TESO.

fredarbonab14_ESO · May 2014

^^^ "and with the current displeased outlook many players have with the game"...

I wonder how many is that 'many'. ESO will take its natural place regardless of its drama queens in the forums 'worrying' (more terrorizing non-whining posters) about it or not.

Chomppa · May 2014

I have nothing against upcomming MMO's , in fact I plan to play Wildstar along with ESO in the coming months along with some single player titles .

mutharex · May 2014

The Doom That Came To TESO

Regoras · May 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

I actually refer to it as exactly that... because that's all it is.

SinisterJoint · May 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

WoWstronauts

SinisterJoint · May 2014

Metacon wrote: »

Charging premium price and premium monthly fee is a perfect way to make sure customers patience wears thin quick. Noone likes paying for a service he doesnt seem to receive (in expected quality).

What is so "premium" about their monthly fee? The $15 per month that EVERY other mmo out there charges? What "premium" price? you mean the $60 the game cost...like every other game that gets released?

Quit acting like $15 a month and $60 for a game isn't, and hasn't, been industry standards since at least 2004

hk11 · May 2014

I think a lot of the negatives you guys post about WS are positives for me. Created by vanilla wow devs, wow in space, would be a good game in 2000 (before games became garbage), etc.

Getting me a little hyped.

mutharex · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I think a lot of the negatives you guys post about WS are positives for me. Created by vanilla wow devs, wow in space, would be a good game in 2000 (before games became garbage), etc.

Getting me a little hyped.

Definitely! People who don't like TESO will love WS and vice versa

Khandi · May 2014

TESO vs Wildstar is like asking your Grandmother to put down her romance novel and read Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.

Both are good but there is only a slim possibility that she would enjoy Douglas Adams.

Anyone that talks about how much money TESO is or isn't making needs to be quiet or show us the P & L they sent you so we call all review it, otherwise you are simply guessing.

isengrimb16_ESO · May 2014

I wonder how the demographics will sort themselves out, relative ratings aside (can't remember what Wildstar's rating might be, but I thought it was M).

Cybrdroyd · May 2014

I love ESO, don't get me wrong. However, there are some things that were done stupidly with this game, that I can see so far.

1. Pay to play an entire race, plus be any race in any faction. (this is what you do with a ftp game, not a subbed game)

2. It's nearly impossible to group for quests other than private and public dungeons due to phasing.
3. No Auction house
4. can join five guilds, for what purpose does this serve?
5. combat is lackluster
6. wood elves look like asian/alien hybrids
7. we have dragon knights running around in robes and weilding staves, and Nightblades wearing heavy armor and wielding two handed swords

I personally am looking forward to EQ Next in 4th quarter 2014. That game has more innovation in it's little finger than all the other mmos combined. To me, it will be very interesting and worth trying. Wildstar... meh... seems like WoW in space to me, not appealing to me in the least.

Being a long time Elder Scrolls fan (played them all except for Arena which was before I owned a computer), I have to say this is the worst of all the Elder Scrolls games. It doesn't live up to the hype. It doesn't feel like Elder Scrolls at all to me (aside from the weird artwork they did with faces in this game, thats classic elder scrolls, make people look as weird as possible so you know you are in tamriel).

However, if Zenimax were to somehow reach deep down and pull their collective heads out of their asses, perhaps this game has the potential to be better, to live up to the hype, to justify the 14.99 a month price tag to play this game. As it stands now, that is certainly not the case. It seems to me that at the end of the day, Zenimax simply tried to cash in on the elder scrolls name, make as much cash as possible, leaving fans of the game bewildered and twisting in the wind wondering, what the *** were they thinking???

I want to love this game, I really do. I am just having a hard time with it right now, and I am frankly left wanting here. I just would like to see one company give us all they promised us, show us what a real mmo looks like, not a mediocre twisted pile of ideas that have been tried and has failed in so many other mmos previously.

Thalmar · May 2014

Metallica was one of the greatest metal bands overall untill they try to change their music type for bigger audience. This caused unfortunately or fortunately drastically decrease numbers from both audience.

ESO needs to stop trying to attract all type of players and find their own player base and evolve on this way. It is nearly impossible to make PvE, PvP and RP players happy at the same platform.

Consistency is the key to success...

$infraction2008b16_ESO$ · May 2014

Catflinger wrote: »

Oh god, another "Wildstar will kill ALL other MMOs! It is just that awesome!" thread, this time lightly veiled.

Tbh I can't wait to see Wildstar flop like everything else has.

Guppet · May 2014

Thalmar wrote: »

Metallica was one of the greatest metal bands overall untill they try to change their music type for bigger audience. This caused unfortunately or fortunately drastically decrease numbers from both audience.

ESO needs to stop trying to attract all type of players and find their own player base and evolve on this way. It is nearly impossible to make PvE, PvP and RP players happy at the same platform.

Consistency is the key to success...

They are consistent. Just not in the way you would want

Continuous effort is the key to sucess. They don't appear to be making any effort.

psufan5 · May 2014

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

It looks so bad... Like horribly bad. I dont get how any adult could enjoy that

hk11 · May 2014

psufan5 wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

It looks so bad... Like horribly bad. I dont get how any adult could enjoy that

Because raids can actually be challenging and rewarding. It takes a lot of work to get everyone coordinated and a good deal of time to actually learn and beat the content. I have never been in a successful raiding guild that was not all adults. It might be due to the timeframe that WoW came out, but almost every guild I ever joined was primarily adults. In all the other MMOs after, you have to join specialized guilds to be with adults.

I think a lot of people are confusing graphics with gameplay.

Metacon · May 2014

SinisterJoint wrote: »

The $15 per month that EVERY other mmo out there charges?

Only "every" other mmo that is still on a p2p business model...

Quit acting like $15 a month and $60 for a game isn't, and hasn't, been industry standards since at least 2004

Your're right in one point: It WAS the busines standard for mmos that have been released in the past years (late 90's until mid 00's).

In the meantime your "every mmo that is released".. has either since gone bankrupt or f2p.. or is released using an f2p business model right from the start.

Theres only a small number of mmos left that have a customer base that is reliable enough to warrant a pay2play model.

Today having an mmo with a pay2play model based on monthly subscriptions IS being expensive - because people compare them to the the sheer number of f2p titles on the market.

On a sidenote i dont know why youre so getting worked up on my argument. Because that doesnt change a thing with MY opinon about the game and most probably even with thousands of other players.

I dont care about the future of ESO... basically i DO want it to be successfull. (Because im an elder scrolls fan)... but on the other hand, im still a customer... I DO want value for my money. If im not getting that, my money goes elswere... and i dont give a FRACK about "how much other mmos are charging for the service"... if the mmo i am interested in continually fails to deliver enough entertainement for what I think im being entitles to when looking at the cost - then im out.

Catflinger · May 2014

Cybrdroyd wrote: »

I love ESO, don't get me wrong. However, there are some things that were done stupidly with this game, that I can see so far.
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7. we have dragon knights running around in robes and weilding staves, and Nightblades wearing heavy armor and wielding two handed swords

Sorry, this just jumped out at me. I understand that there are balance issues, but even so, why is this a problem or something that was done stupidly? The whole point is "play how you want." The fact that classes that are traditionally associated with one way can be played and played well in dramatically different ways is one of the awesome things about this game, IMO. Also it was one of the core promotional/selling points of the game from the moment it was announced.

Just because it's different from other MMOs, and/or something that you personally can't wrap your head around, doesn't make it bad.

Khandi · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

It looks so bad... Like horribly bad. I dont get how any adult could enjoy that

Because raids can actually be challenging and rewarding. It takes a lot of work to get everyone coordinated and a good deal of time to actually learn and beat the content. I have never been in a successful raiding guild that was not all adults. It might be due to the timeframe that WoW came out, but almost every guild I ever joined was primarily adults. In all the other MMOs after, you have to join specialized guilds to be with adults.

I think a lot of people are confusing graphics with gameplay.

I agree. The only successful raiding guilds I have been in are all adults. I am in a raiding guild in Wildstar, which launches head start in just over 15 hours. I have taken down world bosses that take a 15 man team. The graphics are different but the game play and grouping is amazing.

I play both ESO and Wildstar each are good in their own ways. Will Wildstar "kill" ESO? No it won't.

On a side note: I feel rather sorry for people that have forgotten what it's like to be a kid and how to simply just enjoy things around them.

GreySix · May 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

As usual, the NEXT BIG THING is going to kill every MMO in existence.

It'll arrive, those who hyped themselves into hysteria over it will rage-quit and then start prattling on about the NEXT BIG THING!

The current hypefest seems to be Wildstar .. I am soooooooo reminded of SW:TOR right now.

... worth quoting again for the accuracy of the assertion.

Kego · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I think a lot of the negatives you guys post about WS are positives for me. Created by vanilla wow devs, wow in space, would be a good game in 2000 (before games became garbage), etc.

Getting me a little hyped.

Me too, I mean who doesn't Remember that awesome Vanilla WoW times, with:

Broken Paladin Class - Buffbot only
Broken Druid Class - Outside the Healing
OP Frost Mages - Frost Nova - Silence 2 Hit Kills against ANY Opponent
PvE Endgame with ONLY 40 man Raids
PvE Sets with predefined roles for every Class - No DMG Warrior Set, No Druid Feral Set, No Retri Paladin Set. Etc.
PvP for No-RL Gamer aka - Point Ranking System that unlocks PvP Equip
Only 1 Tank Class - Warrior out of 6 or 7 Classes
Totally bronken Crafting...well it got never fixed cause Loot > Crafting

[snip] those people who cry for a Vanilla Server, cause most of them didn't even played Vanilla. Most Problems in WoW has been there for two Years until Burning Crusade fixed most of them.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

steveb16_ESO46 · May 2014

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Khandi · May 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Maybe they want it to go F2P. There is a lot of money to be made with the F2P model.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

Khandi wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Maybe they want it to go F2P. There is a lot of money to be made with the F2P model.

Nothing to buy, F2P model requires a reason to spend cash.

Eris · May 2014

The way I see it, there will always be another MMO on the horizon no matter what MMO you are playing.

So, if you like the MMO you are in, play it. If you don't... move on. Why worry about what other people are going to do. You can be a sheep and follow the herd, or you can be a decision maker and decide for yourself.

Khandi · May 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Maybe they want it to go F2P. There is a lot of money to be made with the F2P model.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Khandi wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Maybe they want it to go F2P. There is a lot of money to be made with the F2P model.

Nothing to buy, F2P model requires a reason to spend cash.

Well yes this is true. A lot of the F2P's also have a P2P where you get bonus's for subbing.

GreySix · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Khandi wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It'll go the way of STO. FTP after being bought by another company unless Zen pull their fingers out.

Maybe they want it to go F2P. There is a lot of money to be made with the F2P model.

Nothing to buy, F2P model requires a reason to spend cash.

Well, folks are buying gold like its going out of style, else we'd not be seeing so many obvious bots about. $:\$

Ser Lobo · May 2014

Bangstin wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Honestly Wildstar resembles WoW in space, it really does.

I wonder why people say this like it is a bad thing? I have long ago retired from wow but that doesn't mean everything remotely similar to wow is automatically crap.

Some players, like myself, absolutely couldn't stand the aesthetics of World of Warcraft. I genuinely dislike that look of games so much, that the moment I popped onto Wildstar's website, I exited the page and have never looked back.

I've been playing MMO's long enough, that all MMO's generally feel the same. Whether it's a toolbar of 12 or 6. Whether it's four classes or fourteen. And yes, every MMO out there is imbalanced, with game breaking bugs and plenty of angry customers.

So my priorities have shifted. The game has to look semi-realistic (just my preference). It has to have a very detailed character customizer (I cannot stand being generic). And it has to have lore and backstory I can get into.

Needless to say, my favorite MMO's have turned out to be Star Wars Galaxies, Neverwinter Online, EvE Online. Massively different mechanics in between, but they fit the billet for graphics, customization and backstory.

I realize there are players out there who aren't bothered by the cartoon graphics. In fact, I realize there are players out there who PREFER those things. That's why I'm glad there are so many MMO producers nowadays, both in the free-to-play market and subscriber-based.

Another graphic trend I cannot stand is the 'anime' trend (usually seen in incredibly large swords, man-boy male characters and colorful hair on the women; Neverwinter could get awfully close to that style at times). I love animes. I do NOT enjoy asian-themed MMO's ... and yes, I've tried many. Far too much grind in my opinion.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

Comparison of the games, what they offer etc. won't really mean a lot. The customer base will fall into a few general categories. Those that actually dislike ESO have already quit. Those that try most games will try WS etc as they come out no matter what they think of ESO. First timer of MMO's and fanbois will stick with ESO no matter what. There is a small percentage who like ESO but are frustrated with (insert dislike here) who may try another game and leave ESO because they like it better

Example. Over the years with every big name MMO release there is always the inevitable thread about it being "The WoW Killer". Of course none have any lasting effect on WoW. People leave a game because they dislike it or are simply bored after extended period of time. WS will have little effect on the players that are enjoying ESO. people may leave ESO for any number of other reasons however

Ser Lobo · May 2014

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

Well, considering all the people constantly begging for "Vanilla servers" for WoW, we'll see how many of those actually stick with Wildstar for giving them that "old-school WoW" feeling.

Maybe it will work for them - it seemed like it would have a ton of buttons to bind and could be grindy enough for those who equate grind with difficulty.

Might be interesting to see how things shake out by the time WoD gets released.

Edit - in fact, Blizz might even be a little worried about Wildstar, which is why they're going in such a weird direction with WoD.

I'm really feeling old right now. The comment 'old-school WoW' is kinda turning my stomach a little, hehehe ....

And if by WoD you mean World of Darkness, please note that CCP cancelled that project, last I heard.