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In all seriousness. About the game's problems.

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Look, sure there are good parts of the game. I think the story (if you played AD) was amazing. I loved it.

But as an MMO and the response and ineffectiveness we're seeing from the staff, it's a bit troubling to people. Some people are saying, "It's like this with all mmos." Guys, no. It really isn't this bad. Sure, they all have their messed up problems, but it usually goes away after a month. This game keeps making new problems and... well I can't put a fine point on it. There's just something extra off with this one.

I hope they do fix things. But I'll be honest with you. It doesn't look good. A lot of you aren't seeing the vast number of problems because you're not keeping up with it. However, there are some critical problems that ZoS just can't seem to get a leash on. People are hacking this game to death. They're punishing us in many ways for bots and other hacks.

Personally, I liked the state of the game better at launch, minus the quest bugs. It feels like they've screwed with it so much that it's like a plate of mixed up spaghetti. And they keep putting the wrong seasoning on it. Salt doesn't go on Corn Flakes. Sugar doesn't go on a prime rib. Even a guar knows that.
  • Censorious
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    It's an American company.

    Last time I was in America, somebody served me steak with a strawberry on it.
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  • Khivas_Carrick
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    That makes no sense, and that actually sounds rather tasty. However, American Companies have made good *** so your argument is horribly invalid.

    I also have a rocket launcher, argument definitely invalid.

    But anyway, Grimm there is right, they need to fix this game before it blows up in their face. I mean if BioWare could learn and improve, so can you guys.
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  • GrimCyclone
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    Pshh, watch BBQ Pit Masters and tell me sugar can't go on a prime rib....****ing delicious.

    I was more using it in contrast since you actually do put sugar on Corn Flakes. But yes, many people don't realize how much sugar is actually in their sauces or glazes. Like salt, it can be a good juice encaser.

    This is my favorite prime rib. I did it just like this guy 2 years ago. Best I ever had. Lots of people don't realize that encasing meat in salt is an old and great technique.
  • Mendoze
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    I think ZOS has done pretty good job in patching and balancing the game since the launch, so I disagree with that, but the amount of new bugs that came with the Craglorn patch is just unacceptable. Also I agree that they should really be more active in the forums, and I assume that's what those community managers are getting paid for. I do understand that developers can't answer to every forum post, but when topics have several hundred post and still no response, it starts to feel futile to even post anything. For example EU server move and Cyrodiil lag, which both are big issues, have like zero response from ZOS. Either they don't know, or they don't care, and from customer perspective both are just plain scary options.
  • Celurian
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    Censorious wrote: »
    It's an American company.

    Last time I was in America, somebody served me steak with a strawberry on it.

    Am i allowed to Quote you into my signature? It really made me smile after dieng 243ß9459357 times in a vet 10 zone while solo questing with my temp :neutral_face:
  • zgrssd
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    Mendoze wrote: »
    I think ZOS has done pretty good job in patching and balancing the game since the launch, so I disagree with that, but the amount of new bugs that came with the Craglorn patch is just unacceptable. Also I agree that they should really be more active in the forums, and I assume that's what those community managers are getting paid for.
    Bugs belong to MMO's like the Servers and the players. Name me one MMO that has not a single bug or imbalance right now.

    I find them excused from not posting, because they are working on the problems we know (and the 95% problems we don't know about because we do not see them).

    And yes I will propably be insulted as "Fanboi" or "GM ***" for that. Please do. Then i can report you for it and can get rid of you.
    Edited by zgrssd on May 30, 2014 10:29AM
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  • Indarqeen
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    I liked the state of the game better at launch
  • fredarbonab14_ESO
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    I suppose this ranks as the major drama queen post of the day. The line "A lot of you aren't seeing the vast number of problems because you're not keeping up with it. " is nonsensical. How can we help not to when the forums are littered with one hysteria or another.

    Play the game, have fun, this isn't real life.
  • GrimCyclone
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    I suppose this ranks as the major drama queen post of the day. The line "A lot of you aren't seeing the vast number of problems because you're not keeping up with it. " is nonsensical. How can we help not to when the forums are littered with one hysteria or another.

    Play the game, have fun, this isn't real life.

    Nonsensical my ass. Maybe you. Think of the majority of people that play this game. Especially the casuals that are just midway through the main quest. They haven't seen most of the bugs.
  • GrimCyclone
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    And also dude, most people don't even come to the forums. The console players really don't use forums much for ESO games. I'd say about 15% of the people who actually play the games do. And that's being generous.
  • subecsanur
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    Look, sure there are good parts of the game. I think the story (if you played AD) was amazing. I loved it.

    But as an MMO and the response and ineffectiveness we're seeing from the staff, it's a bit troubling to people. Some people are saying, "It's like this with all mmos." Guys, no. It really isn't this bad. Sure, they all have their messed up problems, but it usually goes away after a month. This game keeps making new problems and... well I can't put a fine point on it. There's just something extra off with this one.

    I hope they do fix things. But I'll be honest with you. It doesn't look good. A lot of you aren't seeing the vast number of problems because you're not keeping up with it. However, there are some critical problems that ZoS just can't seem to get a leash on. People are hacking this game to death. They're punishing us in many ways for bots and other hacks.

    Personally, I liked the state of the game better at launch, minus the quest bugs. It feels like they've screwed with it so much that it's like a plate of mixed up spaghetti. And they keep putting the wrong seasoning on it. Salt doesn't go on Corn Flakes. Sugar doesn't go on a prime rib. Even a guar knows that.

    Pshh, watch BBQ Pit Masters and tell me sugar can't go on a prime rib....****ing delicious.

    Lol or maple or honey....... it's awesome on ribs.
  • Guppet
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    I suppose this ranks as the major drama queen post of the day. The line "A lot of you aren't seeing the vast number of problems because you're not keeping up with it. " is nonsensical. How can we help not to when the forums are littered with one hysteria or another.

    Play the game, have fun, this isn't real life.

    Nonsensical my ass. Maybe you. Think of the majority of people that play this game. Especially the casuals that are just midway through the main quest. They haven't seen most of the bugs.

    Hey, if they don't post on the forums, they don't exist. How dare you refer to a demographic which is not up to high level VR content yet.
  • KleanZlate
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    Forum whining isn't constricted to MMO games. Just about every game I've had to consult a forum for has this issue. The loudest get heard the most.
  • ZOS_LenaicR
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    Hi there,

    Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to spam and to troll the community. The discussions should remain constructive and civil.

    We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions.

    This thread has been moderated.
    Edited by ZOS_LenaicR on May 30, 2014 12:59PM
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    And also dude, most people don't even come to the forums. The console players really don't use forums much for ESO games. I'd say about 15% of the people who actually play the games do. And that's being generous.

    Very true. And in general, that 15% are primarily composed of people who have a bone to pick with the game.

    It's like the old JobVent site. No one went there because they were happy with their job. So if you actually went there for a review of your company, all you would see were the rantings of disgruntled employees, which hardly paints a fair picture. So to turn your point around on you: yes, most players don't use the forums because most players are happy playing the game.
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  • GrimCyclone
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    Hi there,

    Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to spam and to troll the community. The discussions should remain constructive and civil.

    We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions.

    This thread has been moderated.

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  • Vorkk8383
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    It's the same on every forum for every game. There's total fanbois who refuse to see or actually cannot see the bugs and the issues. There's the downers who only see bugs and issues. If you're either of those, you're wrong.

    This game has a lot of positives but it also has A LOT of issues. Yes, it's young. It's why I'm forgiving a lot of it. However, seeing as it's not the first MMO ever, they should of learned from the past and it's like they haven't. When the game came out, it's like they were shocked. '' Bots? What are those? People are saying we have them in our game?!'' They have taken measures to try to limit them. Bots are in every games but they are more prominent in some than in others. If anyone is going to nag until they are fully gone, they will nag forever or until the game closes. Still, some of the measures taken hurt the players. They refuse to comment on why they will not put GM's in game at all times for at least a good month. They have GM's on for 15 minutes at a time every so often. That's basically saying: ''You wanted GM's? Here. Now shut up''. A GM cannot do much in 15 minutes. So do I think they are trying when it comes to bots? Yes. I do. Do I think they are trying hard enough or planned ahead? Nope. The situation has gotten better. I'm not so sure if it's so much by Zeni's doing or the bots realized that there wasn't all that much money to be made here since a lot of people already moved on so they too, closed shop in this game. But I'll be nice and say that it was Zeni's doing and give them the credit as it could of been entirely their doing and I don't want to take away their achievements. For those of you who say ''I've never seen a bot. They never bother me'' and the list goes on, we get it. You feel the need to defend Zeni or you're totally blind. Most people still nagging about it and people going crazy happy when they see GM's on for 15 minutes shows you that there still is a pretty big issue. If you choose to pretend that everything is perfect, then do so but please don't come on here complaining about people complaining. It's just silly.

    When it comes to balance and the ''play your way'', it's been a bit of a joke so far. I have faith that they can fix it but two things that they REALLY need to do ASAP is change the cost for changing your skills by a DRASTIC amount. If I cannot change it every day, then I'm not playing my way. I'm playing the way that I chose until I can get more gold to change it again. From PVE to PVP, people play VERY differently. So play your way? I don't think so. This also promotes gold buying. There also needs to be a way to change your skills in the first big city. Some of the skills aren't explained properly (which needs fixing) and people often want to just try something and realize that it's not what they wanted. They shouldn't have to wait till later in the game to change it. If you want this to be a money sink, fine. Change the amount of money with the level. Still, it should not go up to 10-15k to change skills. That's a bit insane. You're not enticing people to play alts either because of that. The cost of the bank account space also needs to be reduced. The last few slots to unlock are crazy expensive. Some people will buy gold and others actually move on because of this. If you gave us a more realistic goal, it would actually be more fun to save and spend that money.
    Finally, you need to rethink A LOT of skills and such if you want everyone to be able to play any way, etc. Right now, it's all about destro/resto staff for most classes. A lot of people are stuck in a specific role within their class. They could tank before but not they cannot. They could do this or that...Now it's impossible. Having people get to VR10 and not being able to play their toon how they wanted to anymore seems to go against what you promised us with the ''play your way''. It's not ''play within the limits created for your character until we fix it''. I do have faith that you will fix a lot of it. However, will it be too late for some? I'm giving you time. I want to see how you fix my class issues and how the game evolves. After all, it is a month old. Still, it's heartbreaking when you made things worse as time went on. There are ALWAYS balance issues in every MMO. Things tend to get better over time. Here, a lot of what we're seeing are nerfs that end up breaking the class even more. One thing that you may want to consider is degrees of difficulty. Some people will get groups or persevere, etc...I'm one of them. I am stubborn. Others do not want to die 40x until they get a kill in the VR stages. Having a normal, easy, tough mode could give you more content (get ach for normal and tough mode) and please people who just want the story complete and are happy to get it done on easy mode.

    There are things that annoy me daily. Right now, the F key is one of them. I OFTEN need to relog in order to be able to go from a waypoint to another or to switch bank stores or to choose an item to deconstruct. Having to relog every 15-20 minutes over this stupid bug is the one thing that is driving me absolutely nuts. You UI for the guild store is also EXTREMELY POOR. I can see why people would go and buy things from the farmers because you make the search such a pain. You need to give us the option to use all of our stores and to have sub-categories. Materials is one of the worse. You're crippling the sellers because often, people cannot find their products. Using the bank is like some form of Chinese torture. I'm not asking you for an AH. I'm asking you to give us the same product but REFINED...and it needs A LOT of refinement.

    The chat system is also very poor as well as the guild system options. You should most definitely have a zonewide trade channel. Not having one clogs up the zone channel and it's usually clogged up enough as it is with trolls, weirdos and people wanting to know if they are still in Kansas.

    You have a good game but it's a bit like a diamond in the rough. I'm sorry but as much as I'll give you time and consider myself a fanboi, I cannot just ignore the issues and tell you that everything is amazing,. A lot of it IS amazing. It's why so many stay. It's why I stay. Still, if a lot of the things that need to get fixed don't get there soon, a lot of us will move on. I have more patience for balance. I know it takes more time. When it comes to fixing the F key and they issues with it, I don't have that much patience left. Having to relog to fix it every time that I go to use it to port from a wayshrine or to change banks to another guild or to pick an item for research....well it's getting old pretty fast! I'm tired of playing ''reboot to make it work online''.

    TL;DR: Don't read it.
    Edited by Vorkk8383 on May 30, 2014 1:44PM
  • GrimCyclone
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    Dude I gave you an awesome just for how long that post was.
  • GreySix
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    As usual, the middle-ground folks are drowned out by those who see the game as one of two ways:
    • The game is perfect as is, so shaddup and L2P!
    • The game is utter trash and needs to die painfully! I'm outta here and on to Wildstar!
    There are great things about ESO IMO, and with some improvements, it could become a great MMO. Specifically, I'd like to see these addressed:
    • Grouping: Fix it to allow grouping in all instances, and allow group members to see the same things
    • Bots: There are simply too many of them, and too many are obviously bots (so don't require players to reports gobs of fifty of them all stuck together/underground/flying/speeding)
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  • Vorkk8383
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    Dude I gave you an awesome just for how long that post was.

    That made me LOL for real so you definitely earned an LOL ;p
  • Drasn
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    Stuff, lots of stuff!
    Holy wall of text, batman.
    TL;DR: Don't read it.
    Challenge accepted.
  • ExiledKhallisi
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    Game has like 10 bugs... world ends.

    7 WEEKS...GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR 7 WEEKS.

    Cry a river.
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  • Khandi
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    My brother makes a steak marinade using honey, balsamic and fresh cracked black pepper then slaps those bad boys on the grill. It's so good!!

    But in essence I do agree with the OP. The silence from ZoS is a bit scary. I have been in a LOT of alphas, betas and head start launches. There are always issues but the GM's and dev's will generally be in game talking to people, dropping mobs in the middle of town or something just to 'be around' but not this game; it's just weird.
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  • steveb16_ESO46
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    I really want this game to succeed. I'm a big fan of Elder Scrolls and have been a big fan of ESO. But the clock is ticking I feel. I'm a big fan still but there's so much that needs working on very quickly. It needs to offer a lot more as it just does not feel like a modern game. It could be from 10 years ago in terms of features (except in the obstacles it puts in the way of grouping.)

    It might have been fine 10 years ago but I just expect more from a 2014 premium sub game in terms of quality, support and features.

    Been playing ArcheAge this morning and my first pick up group involved sailing a player built catamaran trader across an ocean to a hostile continent to deliver goods. Watching out for player pirates and fighting off sea monsters.

    And what was the worst thing about all this? Chatting with the other 3, who were all in one guild and mentioning i was there from ESO.

    'We're all from ESO' was the reply. And that's just sad.

    I was expecting more from ESO than an old-fashioned grinder and it's going to find it hard to hold its own against more sophisticated modern games unless it gets a shift on.
  • ExiledKhallisi
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    7 weeks

    wow had hacks/gamebreaking bugs/botters(still) for YEARS before they were fixed. Its the same in every single mmo.. stop this bullcrap guys
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  • steveb16_ESO46
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    WoW was then - a 10 years ago then. This is Now - with Archeage, Wildstar and Everquest Whatever hitting any time soon as direct competition.

    What happened at WoW launch is about as relevant as Agincourt.

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  • GrimCyclone
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    You said it, Steve.
  • aleister
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    But as an MMO and the response and ineffectiveness we're seeing from the staff, it's a bit troubling to people. Some people are saying, "It's like this with all mmos." Guys, no. It really isn't this bad. Sure, they all have their messed up problems, but it usually goes away after a month. This game keeps making new problems and... well I can't put a fine point on it. There's just something extra off with this one.

    Some MMOs have been worse, some have been about the same, but many have been much better. Either way, it doesn't matter what happened with other MMOs. We're playing (and paying for) this one and "others were bad" is not an excuse for a poor quality product - ever.
  • Orizuru
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    You can't make people care about the problems the same way you do. If they choose to stick their heads in the ground and pretend like everything is fine or everything will be fine, there isn't much you can say to change their minds.

  • Akalukz
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    it's the sub that says we should get better.
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