Liquid_Time wrote: »

@the.dzeneralb16_ESO
Yes. Yes they are. Might I ask why they cannot be compared?

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Are people seriously comparing NB stealth to sorc blink? lmfao

Probably don't realize one has a counter and one doesn't.

Thats why.

The difference being that our stealth is almost quiet literally worse in every way. It doesn't have that it also costs more, has more risks, and cant be used as often.

It also doesn't help that NB's alone are such a broken class right now and have nothing going for them either.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm a vamp NB and no way are the two comparable. I rarely get away from a group using vamp mist.

Nightblades can literally outrun a streaking sorcerer with path of darkness. And they do it, they do it a lot. If I can't confuse them by switching directions or streaking through them for the disorient, once a good nightblade locks onto me I'm dead, teleport or no.

All it takes is running after me until I'm out of mana. (very quickly)

Also, rock on the ground, slight incline, a stump? I get caught on those. You don't.

bg22 wrote: »

On top of that, DOTs (including ones I've put on enemies!) break my stealth and ensure that I'm detected/caught.

Soon you wont break stealth using dots...

SinisterJoint wrote: »

Ill say it once more because this always pops up.

First I'll preface it by saying I main a sorc.

Bolt Escape IS OP -- no matter how you look at it, no matter what you compare it too.. its STILL OP

Its not the fact they they escape every battle they are gonna lose, its the AMOUNT OF TIMES IT CAN BE USED CONSECUTIVELY!!

The magika cost needs to be doubled or at LEAST 1.5 the cost. Having a sorc bolt escape 12 times in a row without using dark exchange is, simply put, unacceptable.

like I said earlier, sure nerf it if the balance is to include diminishing return and higher casting cost for other CCs and gap closers.

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Wrong, it is not a moot point at all. The fact our only heal leaves us unable to move/block for 3 seconds means we have to get away to use it. Where as every other class can use there's whilst moving and blocking

I guess you forgot that Dark Exchange skill not only heals but also restores magicka. That is extremely useful, even if takes 3 seconds. Make it available to every class, and I guarantee that everyone will have it slotted.
Anyway if you need just healing, Resto Staff skills are superior to any class-specific healing abilities.
So your excuse to keep Bolt Exchange in current form is not really convincing.

Ruddertail wrote: »

SinisterJoint wrote: »

Ill say it once more because this always pops up.

First I'll preface it by saying I main a sorc.

Bolt Escape IS OP -- no matter how you look at it, no matter what you compare it too.. its STILL OP

Its not the fact they they escape every battle they are gonna lose, its the AMOUNT OF TIMES IT CAN BE USED CONSECUTIVELY!!

The magika cost needs to be doubled or at LEAST 1.5 the cost. Having a sorc bolt escape 12 times in a row without using dark exchange is, simply put, unacceptable.

You seem to think sorcerers are at full mana when they bolt. Why would I bolt as long as I'm winning? If we've been fighting for a while, I'll be out of mana very quickly, and bolting already stops mana regeneration so there's nothing else I can do except get murdered.

edit: And nightblades can easily move faster than a bolting sorc, there's that too.

Ok then, since you're not using it consecutively, you wouldn't mind a nerf where it increased in mana cost each time it was used within 6 seconds by 50% a cast stacking 6 times?

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Bolt Escape:
Annoying, yes. Sure escape, no.

NB's are able to attack (often kill) 1-2 targets and flee. Successfully might I add. I run a vamp build with my NB and I love every minute of it. I have survived some crazy fights due to the ability of being able to flee and be hidden very quickly. Now just like the bolt escape.. I am NOT able to escape all of the time, but it does increase my survivability greatly. Which is a must have for any "Squishy" build.

Note One: I would also like to add that I am simply a V1 NB and if I am able have such a high K/D as I do now.. then the higher vet levels are only going get better (PvP of course).


Edit-
Note Two: I run with bow/duel wield.

Bolt Escape a must have for any squishy build? What makes sorc so squishy compared to any other class that they need this 100% escape ability?

Sorc also got Critical Surge, which btw also need a nerf, getting 65% of crit damage returned as healing and with 50% crit chance, it is way way above any other self healing in the game, and while you do this, you do alot of damage too.

Also you got the games most powerful self heal, all this combined make sorc like a 1 man army so powerful we dont need any other class. That self heal also needs a nerf of course.

Either make it a Mage Guild ability so all classes in the game with a "squishy" build can get it, or NERF it.

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Yeah, why not simply make 1 server for sorc, and 1 server for the rest.

Demira wrote: »

Just because the Sorc has this ability doesn't mean they are op.
If you all want to say that then the Sorc can pick apart each and everyone of your abilities and call them op.
Leave the Sorc abilities alone.

If you call my OP abilities OP, I'll call all your non-OP abilities OP.
Very well structured and insightful arguments, are you a diplomat or sth?

Ruddertail wrote: »

Nightblades can literally outrun a streaking sorcerer with path of darkness. And they do it, they do it a lot. If I can't confuse them by switching directions or streaking through them for the disorient, once a good nightblade locks onto me I'm dead, teleport or no.

All it takes is running after me until I'm out of mana. (very quickly)

Oh come on, stop BSing. The NB is using 2 attributes to catch you, both his stamina and his magicka. You're only using magicka. Also he is CC'able while you teleport through any CC. Throw those Caltrops behind you that everyone has on their bar atm cause of the exploit (btw, way to go ZoS) and path of darkness is nullified.

Anyhow, If you're getting caught and killed by the most broken class in the game, considering the DPS at your disposal, then you're doing something wrong...

Also you're not running out of mana very quickly at all. With the spell cost reductions of a typical sorc, you can spam that skill 4 times when on 25% of your magicka.

How do I know all this magical info? I have a sorc alt

Ruddertail wrote: »

You seem to think sorcerers are at full mana when they bolt. Why would I bolt as long as I'm winning? If we've been fighting for a while, I'll be out of mana very quickly, and bolting already stops mana regeneration so there's nothing else I can do except get murdered.

There's that BSing again!! Jeez. Firstly, even if you're nearly out of mana you just pop a potion, spam BE 3 times and you're gone. Secondly we know the mana regen stop is actually not working, despite what the tooltip says. We all know it's bugged. It doesn't stop for my sorc neither for any other sorcs in my guild.

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Obvious troll is obvious, but at least you're funny :P
Let me return the favour

I remember the days when DK S&B builds were spamming shield-bash all day long. And all the Sorcs were saying was "oh no worries, I'll bring some DK friends of mine and it'll all be good". Remember those days? No, me neither....

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

Probably because NB/Templar are bottom of the food chain atm. NB Stealth CAN get you away, but doesn't have near the success rate bolt escape does. Invisibility also comes in potion form so it's accessible by anyone. If there was something to counter bolt escape, like magelight does to shadow cloak, i'm sure it woudln't be complained about near as much.

NB with Path of Darkness and Shadow Form (or their morphs) can easily escape a fight and stealth away. If they have Mist Form from the vampire line, they can just run away. . . much faster than anyone but a sorc or another NB vampire can get to them.

Templar's defensive trait is superior healing and buffs. This means that they aren't good at running away, but then NB's and Sorc's aren't amazing healers/buffers like the DK and Templar.

bean19 wrote: »

NB with Path of Darkness and Shadow Form (or their morphs) can easily escape a fight and stealth away. If they have Mist Form from the vampire line, they can just run away. . . much faster than anyone but a sorc or another NB vampire can get to them.

Path of Darkness and Shadow Form are two non-healing defensive abilities. How many of those can you afford to have on your bar? Mist Form is a good, cheap escape but comes with the heavy penalty of huge fire damage vulnerability. Better avoid those DKs and the Fire Impulse zergs then.

I have said it 100 times and I'll say it again. When you walk (stealth or not) you are CC'able. When you teleport, you're not. That's the big difference

A lot of people have Caltrops these days on their 2nd bar because of the bug. When I see an NB trying to disappear, I throw caltrops at him and shield charge him down when he appears. In fact, if you're close enough, the AoE of the Talons catches him too.

Neither the caltrops, nor the Talons are a problem for the teleporting sorc.

I don't know why is it that people complain about DKs ingame and about BE on this forums. I'm a Sorc and I can tell you it's not a 100% escape, I've been hunted down many times. That being said, nerf are coming because the QQ about this is waaay too strong. I would suggest increasing the magicka cost a bit, but also increase it to 20 m or more depending of the increased cost. This change will allow us to still escape ganks, limit the offensive use and carefully planned the fight so sometimes we can get away mid fight and sometimes we simply get killed (ez kill is what this nerf is all about). Everybody happy

hk11 wrote: »

If I owned Zenimax I would just reduce the magicka of bolt escape by 50% and take the forums down for a week.

I would make it cost 800 magicka and teleport to the nearest friendly keep/shrine

hk11 wrote: »

If I owned Zenimax I would just reduce the magicka of bolt escape by 50% and take the forums down for a week.

bro you are right

Malmai wrote: »

This is not true Templar is far superior healer than any other class, it was created for it. Like for any other class sure you can have and mix some skills but in the end CLASS is CLASS so don't mix apples and oranges.

lol? you have zero clue what you talk, go try to get in a good trial run group with your templar healer. People are going to pick NB and sorc healers over your templar 9 times out of 10.