Dragon Knight Build Discussion

Hornex · May 2014

Since tanks are pretty much useless I figured instead of complaining - lets try and work out some decent builds. I don't want to respect several times to find something decent.

Since veteran mobs hit like a freight train and pretend heavy armor doesn't exists. Can other DK's please suggest a build for tanking.

Update:

Im slowly finding a decent build with tank and ardent flame.

Ransack
Lava Whip
Green Dragon Blood
Shield Assault
Dragon Fire Scale (changed to defensive posture)
Standard

5 heavy 2 medium

Full passives for heavy, medium, ardent, sword and shield

Seems to working so far V4 vs V4 mobs, able to take on 3 enemies.

Still tweaking, I don't have destro maxed yet so can't go that build yet but I have been leveling it since before the patch.

Second ability is bow maxed abilities.

yodased · May 2014

Same build. Put all points into magic. Wear 3 pieces of light armor. Win.

MrBeatDown · May 2014

put all your points in life and wear all heavy armor with a sword and shield. The only skills you need in your hotbar is green dragon blood and Razor armor. That's it. You will never be able to kill anything timely nor will you ever do more than 250 damage. Game wrecked. The class is destroyed. There is nothing you can do. Have fun making a meatshield.

hk11 · May 2014

I put mine on hold until the mathletes figure out the optimal build.

aeroch · May 2014

I've been using the same SnS single target + Destro AoE build in Craglorn and it works fine

Hornex · May 2014

MrBeatDown wrote: »

put all your points in life and wear all heavy armor with a sword and shield. The only skills you need in your hotbar is green dragon blood and Razor armor. That's it. You will never be able to kill anything timely nor will you ever do more than 250 damage. Game wrecked. The class is destroyed. There is nothing you can do. Have fun making a meatshield.

Thats kinda the point, you simply cant do damage.

Hornex · May 2014

aeroch wrote: »

I've been using the same SnS single target + Destro AoE build in Craglorn and it works fine

Would you mind listing abilities and passives?

Aaklor · May 2014

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aeroch wrote: »

I've been using the same SnS single target + Destro AoE build in Craglorn and it works fine

yeah, you don't have to change anything in craglorn because the "uber craglorn" mobs are now in the vet zones. craglorn mobs have the difficulty of pre update vet zone mobs

Drachdhar · May 2014

Tanks are not DPS, as long as you can hold aggro you're good. Heavy armor + shield up at all times, some ransack attacks here, some dragon talons there...

Veteran content requires some figuring out, not yet figured out how to either heal or tank yet with my chars. Either I will, or I will say bye bye to dungeon content.

MrBeatDown · May 2014

Tanks are not worth making anymore .. Since the casters and other cry babies got Bash nerfed, they no longer have a PvP role other than riding a horse and operating siege equipment.

aeroch · May 2014

Hornex wrote: »

aeroch wrote: »

I've been using the same SnS single target + Destro AoE build in Craglorn and it works fine

Would you mind listing abilities and passives?

V10 so full passives, 5 piece heavy 2 piece light armor

SnS bar is Mage Light, Unstable Flame, Molten Whip, Green or Coagulating Blood, Puncture, Magma Armor

Destro bar is Mage Light, Cinder Storm, Burning Talons, Razor Armor, Pulsar, Standard of Might

Haven't played outside of Craglorn though, so it might be more difficult for me now with the changes to VR mobs

Erock25 · May 2014

Those DKs who were posting videos of themselves soloing veteran group dungeons say they can do the same exact thing no problem.

Rikushin · May 2014

I don't know a guild rotation for damage anymore as sword and board. What's even a good build/ rotation for a DK now?

Rikushin · May 2014

Good*

Rikushin · May 2014

I'm going to have to relearn how to play since yes, primarily I was using bash, and to be honest I don't know what's good otherwise.

seaef · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I put mine on hold until the mathletes figure out the optimal build.

Yay, you win the award for why MMO communities suck.

Maverick827 · May 2014

aeroch wrote: »

Hornex wrote: »

aeroch wrote: »

I've been using the same SnS single target + Destro AoE build in Craglorn and it works fine

Would you mind listing abilities and passives?

V10 so full passives, 5 piece heavy 2 piece light armor

SnS bar is Mage Light, Unstable Flame, Molten Whip, Green or Coagulating Blood, Puncture, Magma Armor

Destro bar is Mage Light, Cinder Storm, Burning Talons, Razor Armor, Pulsar, Standard of Might

Haven't played outside of Craglorn though, so it might be more difficult for me now with the changes to VR mobs

Why Magelight on the first bar? DK melee abilities use weapon crit afaik.

Liquid_Time · May 2014

I think I fail to see why a DK is not viable anymore.. I have went 1v1 with many DK builds and most of them were quite hard to fight.. Often I would lose or have to make a flee attempt and comeback a second time.

My point is.. Yes try another build because there were plenty of them I have had trouble with.

Hornex · May 2014

Rikushin wrote: »

I'm going to have to relearn how to play since yes, primarily I was using bash, and to be honest I don't know what's good otherwise.

Im slowly finding a decent build with tank and ardent flame.

Ransack
Lava Whip
Green Dragon Blood
Shield Assault
Dragon Fire Scale (changed to defensive posture)
Standard

5 heavy 2 medium

Full passives for heavy, medium, ardent, sword and shield

Seems to working so far V4 vs V4 mobs, able to take on 3 enemies.

Still tweaking, I don't have destro maxed yet so can't go that build yet but I have been leveling it since before the patch.

Second ability is bow maxed abilities.

aeroch · May 2014

I don't like the toggle so it's easier to leave it on both bars

You may be right about that. I haven't noticed Molten Whip critting as much as I'd expect with 30%~ spell crit, but I feel like I've seen it happen. I've seen Unstable Flame DoTs crit I'm pretty sure

If you're right then I'd swap that out on both bars probably

edit: after some Googling I think you're right. Welp. At least I looked cool for 60 levels

edit2: does Flames of Oblivion trigger the Elemental Drain magic return? Not sure whether that's considered "damage-over-time ticks, or multiple times for a single ability cast", but it kind of sounds like it. Might swap out Mage Light for Inferno and Elemental Drain on both bars if that's the case

drgneb · May 2014

Not sure what you all crying about. As for builds, there are plenty listed here in the forums, just look at any of my posts. Lots of viable builds and i have been using them as well with no issues. Relying on Bash was your first mistake. Why would limit yourself to one ability? yea, it rocked, but so many more do as well and then when the nerf train hits it dont hurt as bad!

Hornex · May 2014

drgneb wrote: »

Not sure what you all crying about. As for builds, there are plenty listed here in the forums, just look at any of my posts. Lots of viable builds and i have been using them as well with no issues. Relying on Bash was your first mistake. Why would limit yourself to one ability? yea, it rocked, but so many more do as well and then when the nerf train hits it dont hurt as bad!

I'm enjoying my DK more since bash was needed since I have to play more intelligently.

Maverick827 · May 2014

Taking three times as long to kill an enemy that a light armor/staff user can kill in seconds (and in multiples) isn't "playing intelligently."

Hornex · May 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Taking three times as long to kill an enemy that a light armor/staff user can kill in seconds (and in multiples) isn't "playing intelligently."

Who said it takes 3 times longer?

Maverick827 · May 2014

Hornex wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Taking three times as long to kill an enemy that a light armor/staff user can kill in seconds (and in multiples) isn't "playing intelligently."

Who said it takes 3 times longer?

I do, because it does.

hk11 · May 2014

I keep trying builds but so far nothing has been a great deal of fun.

5/2 H/L sheild and destro staff is alright but takes forever to kill stuff compared to my sorc (at least at around lvl 35).

Due to how long it takes to level weapons I have rerolled to try a 2h/resto staff build to see how that's going to work out.

Stam builds are sort of jacked because you sort of need to put everything in health and you need to share stam with roll/sprint/etc. Also all the class abilities are magic based.

mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO · May 2014

For tanking im using :
SnS
-Inner Beast (or Shield charge if im in pvp) or bone shield if the boss can be attacked in melee range
-Pierce armor (Ransack)
-Defensive posture
-Molten weapons
-Dragon Blood
-Standard of might

For dps :
Destruction staff

-Elemental drain
-Pulsar
-Talons
-Molten whip
-Cinder Storm
-Stantard of Might

If im required to be a full DPS, I switch the SnS for a Two handed

-Critical Charge
- Cleave (ultimate gain morph)
- Executioner (still one of the best single target finishers )
- Molten weapons
- Dragonblood
-Standard of might

The best DPS comes from the destruction staff ...But I use two handed to finish remaining targets or when im running out of magicka.

I dont think this is the best build but I like it. I dont wanna give up on the melee weapons, especialy because my character is a redguard and it feels weird going for a full magicka build.

dennissomb16_ESO · May 2014

really depends on what you are doing OP. You talking questing, pvp, dungeons? etc. When it comes to dungeons I change abilities based on the fight so no easy answer. For questing I do the following
1 hand and shield both bars. 5 heavy, 2 light armor. 1st bar Draw essence, spiked armor, shield assault, igneous weapon, burning talons.
2nd bar absorb magic, obsidian shard, green dragon blood, burning embers, power slam
For questing it is pretty simple on 2-3 mobs, shield assault, burning talons, power slam to 15 second stun 1-2 mobs, kill 1 mob at a time with burning embers, occasional slam/bash interrupt. Slower then the aoe builds of course, but I take virtually no damage.
If I am feeling in a hurry I gather a couple extra mobs, Burning talons, standard of might, draw essence, all dead in a few seconds

Not the uber, mass killing, aoe gods that can be done with light armor, but a tanky safe questing build

drgneb · May 2014

I too am happy with the bash "nerf". As you stated, makes one have to play smart instead of just spamming one skill (this aint WOW!). I have yet to try the destro staff route but have bounced back and forth with 2H, DW and just sticking to my good ol SnB and have no issues killing. My tank bar is one that has both taunts, Ring of Presv, green Dragon and then the last depends on the boss. Absorb magic for casting ones, maybe Unstoppable for that extra shield for me. But my dps bar changes all the time with what weapon i am feeling but as I said, have yet to have any issues really with killing. Now, i dont go grabbing 5-6 mobs at once, no no no, as i said, this aint WOW and you have to pick your fights carefully. But the challenge in that is where the fun comes in....gets really boring face rolling and zerging everything, no challenge at all!
So yea, as others have stated and i back them as well, check the forums for many of the viable DK tank builds and try a few. There are heaps and quite a few youtubes as well. Loads of help out there if you only but look.

hk11 · May 2014

drgneb wrote: »

I too am happy with the bash "nerf". As you stated, makes one have to play smart instead of just spamming one skill (this aint WOW!). I have yet to try the destro staff route but have bounced back and forth with 2H, DW and just sticking to my good ol SnB and have no issues killing. My tank bar is one that has both taunts, Ring of Presv, green Dragon and then the last depends on the boss. Absorb magic for casting ones, maybe Unstoppable for that extra shield for me. But my dps bar changes all the time with what weapon i am feeling but as I said, have yet to have any issues really with killing. Now, i dont go grabbing 5-6 mobs at once, no no no, as i said, this aint WOW and you have to pick your fights carefully. But the challenge in that is where the fun comes in....gets really boring face rolling and zerging everything, no challenge at all!
So yea, as others have stated and i back them as well, check the forums for many of the viable DK tank builds and try a few. There are heaps and many youtubes as well. Heaps of help out there if you only but look.

I just wanted to point out that you have many skills at LVL 30 in wow. You get 5 in Eso. If anything is spamming one or two skills its this game.

Take a look at the wow dk skills vs eso dk and you will see that playing a death knight is was more involved than a Dragonknight. Just sayin

drgneb · May 2014

Lol, my main on WOW is a DK, blood tank, and yes, you have a point with the skills. What this game gives is many skills but not the chance to use them all. I do still disagree with the 5 button bar but meh, im getting used to it. And my Death knight was a blast and its funny how some abilities have drifted into this game...Feiry grip...Bone Shield....feels like home! And at level 90 in WOW the choices are even greater and while i do miss some of the game play this game has offered a different approach in that you have to think before you press. I know far to many Blood DK's that think spamming Death Strike is the key to it all!