Axer wrote: »

heh, whatever they learn in the veyr small and limited groups they have will be nothing compared to what we can learn in a week with our very well refined live groups. And its a week before anything is rewarded, so I wouldnt worry so much.

Plus they already said its gonna be a REALLY DUMB loot system where you always get BoP items not for your role/build on purpose, and cant trade with party members.

Ummm I have access to it. And there are organized guild groups on it right now.

I'm not talking about the loot drops I'm talking about the leaderboards which give exclusive access to more loot. Such an exclusive advantage shouldn't be available in competition. Public access needs to be granted. And this is coming from a PTS player.

Enikka wrote: »

Since PTS seems to mean Private Test Server instead of Public Test Server,...... are PTS players disqualified from the Trial Leaderboards?

If not, I see little point in bothering to even try. There is an exclusive group of players right now with access to this content, already learning the fights, and working on strategies for world firsts. If they aren't disqualified from Leaderboards on their accounts, these proposed leaderboards are rigged from the beginning.

This is a pretty big deal to anyone who was hoping to have any chance at all in competitive play when trial release.

You can go download the PTS server right now and go play. YOu have to download the whole game again but anyone can do it. Check your options on your laucnher, download, go in and play. Problem solved you now have the edge. NExt Topic!

driosketch wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Enikka wrote: »

Since PTS seems to mean Private Test Server instead of Public Test Server,...... are PTS players disqualified from the Trial Leaderboards?

If not, I see little point in bothering to even try. There is an exclusive group of players right now with access to this content, already learning the fights, and working on strategies for world firsts. If they aren't disqualified from Leaderboards on their accounts, these proposed leaderboards are rigged from the beginning.

This is a pretty big deal to anyone who was hoping to have any chance at all in competitive play when trial release.

You can go download the PTS server right now and go play. YOu have to download the whole game again but anyone can do it. Check your options on your laucnher, download, go in and play. Problem solved you now have the edge. NExt Topic!

You can't get into the actual server unless you have testing access.

And OP, if you have access, you know a lot of us are using templates to test. My game account won't be the level needed to enter until well after Craglorn goes live. The few organized guilds there are VR on live already. The advantage from early testing will have little impact.

You are a dimwit if you believe it will have "little impact" sure the strats might change a wee tiny bit, but they will go in with knowledge of the fight ahead of everyone else.

It is both unfair and ludicrous that you would think these players wouldn't have a huge advantage over the rest of the player base.

The leader boards in theory are a great idea but in actuality you are eliminating the rest of the player base from ever getting the extra loot which is a bad design.

Tell you what hollar when this game goes free to play. I give it 6 more months.. and that is being generous.

Who really cares? Any advantage they have will last the first week at max, possible not even that. Once one person learns the fight it'll be all over the internet and then the only advantage they would have is experience with the fights.

Once other players do the fights they'll also quickly pick up the tactics and be able to kill the bosses. After the first week, anyone that is serious about the leader board will be on the same footing as everyone that was on the PTS.

So you might loose out on 1 weeks bonus rewards, does it really matter?

I 100% agree with the OP. Zenimax has once again destroyed their game. I'll stay to try out Craglorn but if it is anything like the dungeons I'll be leaving soon like most people. Way to ruin all aspects of your game ZOS. PvE is garbage, they can't be bothered to fix VR loot, the PvP is a *** poor excuse for RvR (should be called zerg vs zerg). And worst of all they have no intentions of fixing anything. All they care about is the "casuals" who would have been better off playing TES 6. They used typical dev speak trying to make their game seem "revolutionary" and "ground breaking". I had faith in Matt Firor but it has become apparent that it was misplaced. At least Camelot unchained will be in alpha in a few months and Mark Jacobs, who thinks about game quality and not subscription quantity, won't water it down for the lowest common denominator. I know it won't have PvE leveling or drops but at least he is honest. The "private" test server is the biggest load of BS ever. I'm not worried about leader boards though as the loot will be a random loot box in your mail, kind of like the useless PvP rewards. This game will be F2P soon, no question that Wilds tar will destroy the population base here and all the PTS people can enjoy being the only people left to be on the leader boards. / endrant

It may not be a mega hit but it will be there. I'm not a fan of wildstar but if ESO can't fix their endgame (or develop one for that matter) it will fail in comparison. You have to be beating your skull with a hammer to ignore the fatal design of this game. They want to appeal to everyone which is just not possible. ZOS was very busy doing the wrong things and they still are. They still haven't fixed the VR dungeon exploits we have reported so why would they ever get around to doing it for Craglorn? Let's face it. They are punishing the high level players for their own mistakes.

This thread is kind of a joke.

If it makes you guys feel better (which it shouldn't) there's hardly anyone testing them. Its been very hard to actually get groups together for testing.

And besides, any "advantage" will matter only for the first week, if even that. You'll be able to learn the fights yourselves soon enough.

mkultra867b16_ESO wrote: »

I 100% agree with the OP. Zenimax has once again destroyed their game. I'll stay to try out Craglorn but if it is anything like the dungeons I'll be leaving soon like most people. Way to ruin all aspects of your game ZOS. PvE is garbage, they can't be bothered to fix VR loot, the PvP is a *** poor excuse for RvR (should be called zerg vs zerg). And worst of all they have no intentions of fixing anything. All they care about is the "casuals" who would have been better off playing TES 6. They used typical dev speak trying to make their game seem "revolutionary" and "ground breaking". I had faith in Matt Firor but it has become apparent that it was misplaced. At least Camelot unchained will be in alpha in a few months and Mark Jacobs, who thinks about game quality and not subscription quantity, won't water it down for the lowest common denominator. I know it won't have PvE leveling or drops but at least he is honest. The "private" test server is the biggest load of BS ever. I'm not worried about leader boards though as the loot will be a random loot box in your mail, kind of like the useless PvP rewards. This game will be F2P soon, no question that Wilds tar will destroy the population base here and all the PTS people can enjoy being the only people left to be on the leader boards. / endrant

Just leave now. It will be better for all of us.

@driosketch‌

Nah. There's special gear rewards related to the leaderboards as well. Haven't seen them myself, but Paul Sage mentioned it in the reddit AuA I believe.

Enikka wrote: »

Axer wrote: »

heh, whatever they learn in the veyr small and limited groups they have will be nothing compared to what we can learn in a week with our very well refined live groups. And its a week before anything is rewarded, so I wouldnt worry so much.

Plus they already said its gonna be a REALLY DUMB loot system where you always get BoP items not for your role/build on purpose, and cant trade with party members.

Ummm I have access to it. And there are organized guild groups on it right now.

I'm not talking about the loot drops I'm talking about the leaderboards which give exclusive access to more loot. Such an exclusive advantage shouldn't be available in competition. Public access needs to be granted. And this is coming from a PTS player.

I agree there should NOT even exist a private test server. It absolutely should be public, and the fact they even considered that is a horrible design choice that will hurt the game badly.

However the whole "oh noes I may lose because they learned more" I don't get as much.

You have a week to learn it once it's live. If thats not enough time, your really very unlikely to ever make that top 100 list.

The best minds that can complete conten the fastest also can learn content the fastest.

I may get private access. If I do, I won't be learning the raid, I'll only check out the 4man stuff. My guild will be in the top 100 group times, guarenteed. Though they were vague on that, and not sure if it's top 100 players or groups. If it's players, there will be competition to maybe think about, if its groups, not worried.

Also the leaderboard weekly loot is the same as the loot in the raid, - a VERY POOR system that just gives you 1 random item from a bag. auto bind on pickup and likely not something for your role/build.

Enikka wrote: »

Since PTS seems to mean Private Test Server instead of Public Test Server,...... are PTS players disqualified from the Trial Leaderboards?

If not, I see little point in bothering to even try. There is an exclusive group of players right now with access to this content, already learning the fights, and working on strategies for world firsts. If they aren't disqualified from Leaderboards on their accounts, these proposed leaderboards are rigged from the beginning.

This is a pretty big deal to anyone who was hoping to have any chance at all in competitive play when trial release.

You can not rule that out to be honest. There will always be players who have more time than you do or better connections, when we were raiding at Vanilla we had a GM watching all the time, resetting stuff - even giving us frost gear.

This is the benefit you have of being some type of "VIP" in the gaming industry and its not any different in RL either. A lot in life is luck and knowing people, the rest is dedication. Use these things to your own advantage instead of arguing about them.

I can only advice that you care less about these leader boards, unless you play in a high end guild ending up on top wont happen anyways And the high end guilds have all been invited together with the press anyways, so those that win will win anyways, with you being on the PTS or not.

It may not be a mega hit but it will be there. I'm not a fan of wildstar but if ESO can't fix their endgame (or develop one for that matter) it will fail in comparison.

While I have my own opinion about WS, lets put this one aside for a moment and focus on the facts shall we?

WS aims at Raid or Die content, not as much as WoW does but in a similar fashion, guess why half the WS crew is from Vanilla WoW?
They offer you a 40 men and a 20 men raid, the 40 men however has the best loot and a unique quest line, its 1:1 like Vanilla.
Then you also have some solo content, which they work on atm. That said, the main focus is all about premades in PvE raiding, therefore quest content is at an absolute minimum and you mostly grind mobs, like kill 10 of those, kill 25 of these ...

ESO will have Trials for 12 players, but they allow you to pug them by using the group tool. At the same time they offer dungeons for smaller groups and quest´s for solo players.
Besides that you have a huge pvp zone and a very lore driven game. It will take people many weeks to reach the Trials, I am not even half way through and play since early access.


Both games have a totally unique fan base and should never be compared to each other. WS can be compared to WoW and compared to WoW it has positive and negative things, but ESO is absolutely unique and cant be compared to any of these two games.

Enikka wrote: »

I'll just come back to this thread and necro it when you all start complaining the testers are getting the extra loot chests you have no chance of getting.

I have PTS server access. I'm not posting this for my benefit. I was identifying something before the rage commences when it launches.

Necroed it for you to point out the as current 11min times being posted by non PTS testers.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/102854/trials-completion-in-11mins#latest

And to quote myself.

driosketch wrote: »

The advantage from early testing will have little impact.

OMG guys!

Some non-PTS guilds just got the best times on the Trial boards!!

They were only able to do this by repeatedly attempting the content until they got really good at it. This was totally unfair since I was at work and not able to play while they were playing. Since they have an early head start, I'll never be able to catch up. You should lock them out of the content until I've had an equal amount of time to play.