Exhausted--Can't Do Boss Battles...

dbennett707cub18_ESO · May 2014

If you posted what class you are we could give you tips, I've killed him on every class now, on my way to VR's with my last class to level nightblade, already have VR DK/Templar/Sorc, he really isn't that hard if you balance your character.

Phantorang · May 2014

The bosses does NOT get harder, at least not the final one, its easy if you do it right. Not going to post any spoilers, but if you need I can help.

The harvester in the lvl 30 main quest was the hardest in my opinion

To leave the area, open your map, right click a couple of times, then left click to zoom in again into a zone you already know, click a wayshrine and press E

RatsnevE · May 2014

Sharee wrote: »

Molag bal was very easy for me as a nightblade - i could 2-3 shot his adds, and i got a huge heal everytime i put a mark on one and killed it, so i had virtually unlimited source of self-healing.

It's great to know that if and when I ever get through this game destroyer Mannimarco I will be home free. If my stealthy NB could sneak past Mannimarco, pick up the Amulet of Kings and leave without giving or taking damage (and get the XP for it) she would buy a drink for everyone in Auridon.

Slantasiam · May 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

Do I have to beat both bal and mannimarco to unlock vet? I am trying to find exactly when vet content is available, but can't find anything through searches

you have to finish main story to move on. that means killing them both to get to vet 1. at least that's how it was a month ago

LadyLothi · May 2014

The npcs will literailly kill him for you if you heal him and you just kill the adds.

Basically this. Mannimarco is laughable for anyone with a group heal.

I was happily fighting with the adds, while Lyris, Tharn and Sahan hacked away at Manni (assisted by my pets). I threw a heal their way every now and then and he was dead sooner than I thought.

I am the epitome of a casual - I play maybe 2 hours a day. I was actually so terrified of the Mannimarco fight (because I had heard all the horror stories here on the forums) that I was certain I would crawl out after that fight after 20 wipes, with all my gear in tatters and no potion left.

That I beat him with no difficulty at the first try can therefore only mean that it isn't so much about skill (although dodging and blocking does come in handy) but about class and skillset.
So there is either a huge imbalance between the classes, or there are certain classes (NB maybe) which might be better suited for PvP, while others (sorc?) are having it extremely easy in PvE. I know this PvP/PvE class concept from other games

Sil · May 2014

I think the boss fights aren't really transparent... You die; you die; you try to find out the attacks of him and the best skills against; you die; you read how others do it; you die; you succed. Well, at least the more casual gamer.

It is not really satisfying, like I have achieved something. It is ever the feeling: well, now this is also over, praise the lord... now move on. Short: it makes no fun. It comes to a great part from the minimalistic design of this game which gives you nearly no informations what is happening. You have a slight direction what's coming from the class of attacker: spider, daedra, veteran fighter, sorcerer boss... but that's all. At least for me. Maybe experienced mmo players know it better. The more casual gamer feels more exhausted than good entertained. Heard such a conversation yesterday in clan of a clan mate vet2 or 3, who sounded somehow exhausted and like giving it up...

zazamalek · May 2014

The most important thing with Mannimarco is to keep moving. The only reason to stand still at earlier level bosses is if you have a death-wish. He will only spawn his ads at certain percentages of his health, make sure you kill them before damaging him to prevent getting overwhelmed (as far as I remember).

Rotate around the center area and keep your eyeballs peeled to the screen for AOE attacks (they hurt) - he will only place them in certain places.

Mannimarco is the first boss in the game that requires you to play the MMO like the action MMO that it is.

ShADoW0s · May 2014

Per Vr fights are that hard, and fight with Mannimarco is probably the toughest fight you are gonna face before Vr.

Make new armor, get potions and food buffs charge up you ulti and you should be set. The fight is an endurance fight, so dont blow all your skills/mana/stamina really quickly.

RatsnevE · May 2014

zazamalek wrote: »

The most important thing with Mannimarco is to keep moving. The only reason to stand still at earlier level bosses is if you have a death-wish. He will only spawn his ads at certain percentages of his health, make sure you kill them before damaging him to prevent getting overwhelmed (as far as I remember).

Rotate around the center area and keep your eyeballs peeled to the screen for AOE attacks (they hurt) - he will only place them in certain places.

Mannimarco is the first boss in the game that requires you to play the MMO like the action MMO that it is.

You have to stop in order to make an attack. But Manny gets to fire off tracking blasts that may only miss you if you dodge. "Mannimarco is the first boss in the game that requires you to play the MMO like the action MMO that it is." <-- WTH (What the heck) does that mean? And if there is any truth to it I'd really like to thank--not--Zen for the "wonderful" (real sarcasm) 40 levels of non-existent preparation for a particular must-finish game-stopping (if you don't finish sooner or later) battle!

marioncobretti · May 2014

Did you skip a lot of quests?
I don't remember this fact but level 40 may be a bit low for that quest. If you are not able to progress on something go to some other place, improve you gear, get a few skill points or even change tactics. Then go back to fight another day.
I have also heard that you can just faceroll everything if you play a DK.
Don't give up, it is fun once you get things done if they were difficult.

RatsnevE · May 2014

ShADoW0s wrote: »

Per Vr fights are that hard, and fight with Mannimarco is probably the toughest fight you are gonna face before Vr.

Make new armor, get potions and food buffs charge up you ulti and you should be set. The fight is an endurance fight, so dont blow all your skills/mana/stamina really quickly.

What does "Per Vr fights" mean? I guarantee you if I'm ever lucky or skillful enough to get through killing Manny I won't be going far into Veteran fights if I'm faced with this same strategy of changing out your armor, weapons, buffs, and tactics for every different battle. If that is what 'MMO' comes down to it is no wonder I play so few of them.

Please enlighten me some on using buffs. I've applied them and it seems that they are not stackable--at least the ones that last 35 minutes--and they are not multiple. You can buff 1 Stamina, for instance, and that's it. You can change and buff Magicka but you then lose the Stamina buff. Isn't that it? When you die and resurrect you don't get back your buffs, potions, and charged up Ultimate. I think the only battles I've done that have lasted long enough to build up and use another Ultimate in have been at the Anchors.

Tarwin · May 2014

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Mannimarco is I think the last of the toughest ones. Everything else is cake.

Yeah Molag was pretty easy (albeit a long battle). I had a harder time just getting to him. Killing him was straightforward

williambbechtoldub17_ESO · May 2014

RatsnevE wrote: »

williambbechtoldub17_ESO wrote: »

Another thing to consider is getting a few levels and then coming back. You can alway teleport to a guild member if you can't beat an instance. Mannimarco will be quite tough at level 40 if you are not the right build to defeat him.

Sorry but would you elaborate on this 'guild member' method please? I know I can use wayshrines for some gold to get out. I don't belong to any guilds. One of my real handicaps is that I'm playing all of this solo... I haven't joined with any group. So some dungeons have been out of the question--one per map. The others can be interesting experiences and may take more then one pass to get through if I miss a skyshard or miss a boss respawn or in the case of today two bosses respawning were broken.

If you go to your guild member list and right click any name you will see the option, "travel to player". This doesn't mean you can do a solo zone together, but it gives you a way to escape a zone if you cannot beat it. Think of it as a quick and free teleport system. Sorry if I was not more clear in my original post.

RatsnevE · May 2014

Okay, so what's good for Mannimarco then? I watched one YouTube where the PC used a bow exclusively. I'm a Khajiit NB--that isn't going to change. She has been in heavy armor with only some medium at times, sword & board, and actives are Pierce Armor, Deep Slash, Swallow Soul, Killer's Blade, Concealed Weapon, and the ultimate Soul Tether.

What new weapon? If bow is okay I think I need to build up using it and medium armor exclusively now in prep for this battle. It then follows what actives to use for the bow?

I have to tell you that I didn't create this build on my own--a Khajiit in heavy and s&b. If I don't HAVE to change it all around I'd rather not. If changing to bow, for instance, isn't really going to make the battle much easier--just different--then why not figure out how to make this work right with what I've got? But rather then bow though why not Dual Wielding daggers/swords/axes?

What I've got now doesn't have good AoE but for the Ultimate but its recharge is pathetic. I should by D&D and RPG standards with what I've got now be able to get into Manny's face and interrupt everything he tries casting but I can't and I certainly can't with my Stamina zero'd out like it is.

I figure I have today the next 9 levels to prepare for a rematch. My stat have been built up evenly so if I put all the rest of them into Stamina it will end up pretty close to double what I have already in Magicka and Health--this should help a lot.

Corew · May 2014

There is the cheesy way to do it.. attack him and when he teleports stealth and run back up to the door, then just wait until the NPCs takes him down to a more manageable level of hp

Dodece · May 2014

I see a few rookie mistakes. That once rectified should increase your odds.

1. Make use of all pools. Even if you haven't invested any attribute points into a particular pool. It is still useful to you, and you shouldn't just let it go to waste. If your offense draws from your stamina pool. Then you should consider using your magic pool for self healing, or for dealing magic damage.

2. Make better use of your alternate toolbar. You can actually use two different weapons in a fight with two different sets of skills. Since you probably aren't making use of your magic pool. I would suggest equipping a destruction staff, or a restoration staff on your alternate toolbar. Destruction if you want to up your damage, or apply other useful effects, and restoration if you just need to perform some self healing.

3. If you are taking too much damage in a fight there are ways to increase your armor rating. I am assuming you are a decent alchemist. There are potions that can both heal, and increase your armor rating for a short time. There are also numerous abilities that can manually increase your armor rating. Lastly there is nothing to prevent you from donning heavy armor. In fact unstoppable is in the heavy armor line, and can be used even if you aren't wearing heavy armor. It is well worth the time to level up the skill line just to unlock that one ability.

4. Evaluate your gear to be sure it is appropriate to this battle. There are rings, and pendants that increase both the effectiveness of potions, and decrease the cool down timer on their use. With the right trio you can definitely improve the yield on your potion use.

5. Remember to block attacks that are going to hit you. That will reduce the amount of damage you take, and remember to jump, and roll to avoid getting hit by area attacks. You don't just have to take hits.

I hope some of this advise helps you with your problem.

davidetombab16_ESO · May 2014

mannimarco and molag bug is hard only if u are vampire without fire res.

Tawariell · May 2014

Dodece wrote: »

I just spent a couple hours tutoring a fellow player in game on the ins and outs of character building. His was the worst botched build I have ever seen. Literally he had made it all the way to Veteran content on just storm calling, light armor, and destruction staff. How he did that I can't honestly fathom. Anyway if he had it in him to pull it off with that horrid build.

Can you please give some details about how exactly is that a "horrid build"? What is wrong with the combination of storm calling, light armor, and destruction staff?

RatsnevE · May 2014

Sigh... What can I say... A Khajiit NB finally makes it into The Five Companions!

How did I do it?

Reverted back to my main build of Heavy armor and S&B.

No buffs except for The Lover.

Separated PC from Manny to let 'team' wear him down and killed minions away from Manny too.

Used a couple potions, ultimate Soul Tether once or twice, and Swallow Soul, Killer's Blade, and Concealed Weapon many times in his face.

Fine with me if hiding strategy helped.

Fine with me if he was 'watered down' any by Zen.

Dodece · May 2014

Tawariell wrote: »

Dodece wrote: »

I just spent a couple hours tutoring a fellow player in game on the ins and outs of character building. His was the worst botched build I have ever seen. Literally he had made it all the way to Veteran content on just storm calling, light armor, and destruction staff. How he did that I can't honestly fathom. Anyway if he had it in him to pull it off with that horrid build.

Can you please give some details about how exactly is that a "horrid build"? What is wrong with the combination of storm calling, light armor, and destruction staff?

The complete lack of any survivability, and overall damage output. Allow me to be totally unambiguous. I am not talking about focus but scope. This player was utterly invested in those skill lines alone. They had no skills outside of those skill lines, and hadn't even leveled up alternate skill lines.

So no compensatory mechanisms were available to him whatsoever. No ability to offset limitations, and no ability to exploit advantages. I personally refer to his build as ankle biter. Weak damage over time, weak area of effect, weak armor. I have to ask if that does not qualify as horrid. What exactly does qualify. What is weaker overall then that. What is less useful, or user friendly.

This player was pretty mangled by the time I talked to him. He had quite simply developed chronic death related habits. He was engaged in quest avoidance, was wearing whatever he found on the ground, and was virtually penniless. He didn't even understand why others he was playing with were disbanding on him after playing with him for just a few minutes.

I don't think anyone was being mean to him, or calling him out on the fact that he wasn't doing any real damage, tanking, or healing for the group. They were just saying well this dungeon is too hard. Then leaving him to snare a new fresh batch of hapless victims.

There is just no role in the late game for nibblers. Enemies hit for far too much damage, and have far too much health to be brought down by comparatively weak area attacks, and weak damage over time attacks. The only way I can see that he made it into the veteran zones. Was by being someones shadow. Just hiding at the back of the pack, and abusing streak when there wasn't another player to hide behind.

Therium104 · May 2014

RatsnevE wrote: »

I give up. These boss battles are just to rough and difficult for me. First it was multiple targets to take out for the ring needed to get the Amulet of Kings with. Now it is Mannimarco who spawns minions and doesn't give me a break. Might not be so bad if one had real PCs to help but the NPC's help only goes so far. I'm not having any fun at all trying to get these bosses.

I'm wondering if the bosses only get harder and harder throughout the rest of the PvE game? Anyone know?

BTW, how do I even break out of this quest? There is no abandon option. Am I stuck in it now until I finish it?

I love the game otherwise and have reached level 40 even but these boss battles in the main story just ruin the game for me with their difficulty.

You have two options: 1) Roll a nightblade and whine for buffs. I have never seen a skill less group of players in one class before, or 2) test different strategies and ability combos. Some bosses you can kite, others you need to stun, others you need to interrupt, and you always need to move.

So you have the option to be a good player or go NB and he pathetic.

BBSooner · May 2014

I'd be disappointed if Mannimarco didn't wreck face for some people. He's Mannimarco after all. I'm already hearing that some people walk right through the encounter, which is sort of disappointing.

Yankee · May 2014

I did not really have any big problems with Mannimarco on all four classes. Not sure why really, except that I make sure to have some sort of consistant heal on every character, melee or ranged. The fight leading up to Manni is worse IMO.

As far as bosses getting harder past Manni. Some fights I did solo (up to VR6 so far) have been challenging. The quest bosses are pretty easy if you charge up a good damage ultimate before getting there and they can be hard if you don't.

Some of the worst fights I had is where you have to kill waves of regular VR mobs or multiple high health NPC's. Because running out of resources results in quick death.

I cannot really think of any one boss that killed me more than 2 or 3 times and stands out as harder than the main quest ones.

I am sure a lot of the ones I did solo in VR were groupable though.

Falmer · May 2014

Different battles are more or less difficult for different builds. I, personally, don't even remember the Mannimarco battle as being significant. Even Molag Bal was a pretty easy battle for a life-draining nightblade.

As everyone knows, nightblades are generally considered the 'weakest' class, but beating bosses is usually a cinch.

silent88b14_ESO · May 2014

Dodece wrote: »

...The complete lack of any survivability, and overall damage output. Allow me to be totally unambiguous. I am not talking about focus but scope. This player was utterly invested in those skill lines alone. They had no skills outside of those skill lines, and hadn't even leveled up alternate skill lines.

In other words, a specialist.

Dodece wrote: »

So no compensatory mechanisms were available to him whatsoever. No ability to offset limitations, and no ability to exploit advantages. I personally refer to his build as ankle biter.

Sad, when we begin to categorize individuals as types.

Dodece wrote: »

This player was pretty mangled by the time I talked to him. He had quite simply developed chronic death related habits. He was engaged in quest avoidance, was wearing whatever he found on the ground, and was virtually penniless. He didn't even understand why others he was playing with were disbanding on him after playing with him for just a few minutes.

This is discussing something altogether different from his build, though. It may be that confusing these two separate issues led to another confusion you suggested, that the storm focused Sorcerer is the problem. Sounds more like it was less the overspecialization into a specialty class and more a consequence of complete inexperience... as if he hadn't actually leveled to Veteran personally.
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Dodece wrote: »

There is just no role in the late game for nibblers. Enemies hit for far too much damage, and have far too much health to be brought down by comparatively weak area attacks, and weak damage over time attacks. The only way I can see that he made it into the veteran zones. Was by being someones shadow. Just hiding at the back of the pack, and abusing streak when there wasn't another player to hide behind.

There is also the possibility that he bought his character levels from a commercial vendor (you know, the ones spamming gold sales and the like). If that is a case then your typification of specialists as 'nibblers' may need revisiting.

RatsnevE · May 2014

This is my thread and I thought you all would be more interested in my final success beating Manny at his own game with this rather simplistic approach rather then going deeper into the strategy of strategy?

Can't wait to see how it all falls down again next time. In spite of you die-hard strategists I still don't think it is ESO's intent to make finishing this game (whatever that means) impossible for the more casual gamer? We'll see...

My goal remains to go as far as I can with finds and drops and herbs (alchemy); heavy armor with sword and shield and bow; and as few active skill choices as possible for two weapon sets.

Wavek · May 2014

Mannimarco is really not very difficult if you do the fight correctly. Make sure to always interrupt him when he starts to cast, run (sprint) to him when he jumps across the room and stay out of the area effect. Dont bother using special attacks on him, save them for the adds.

Dodece · May 2014

@silent88b14_ESO‌

Specialist would imply that the build was particularly good at doing something. Which it was not, and thus the problem. There is a reason that each class has three skill lines. Skills in all the lines work in concert to allow a player to actually specialize.

I am referring only to the build. If I thought little of him as a player or a person I wouldn't have taken the time to help him in the first place. Let alone put aside the time to help him level alternate skill lines. So he can get where he needs to be to handle the content.

While it may be tempting to place the blame entirely on inexperience the reality is this particular line in this particular class. Suffers a severe penalty during the cross over to veteran content. Where enemies start to receive a lot more health, and put out significantly more damage. Most players however are significantly diversified to just switch out the moves that no longer work in battles for those that do still work. When your entire skill line suddenly become underpowered it isn't unreasonable to think that the challenge is just staggeringly high rather then the skill line itself has been effectively neutered.

I know your last assessment isn't the case. I played with this particular player in lower level content. Not much mind you I ran a dungeon with him, and we had a talk about where the best places were to find alchemy ingredients. He had just made a lot of bad build decisions in the interim until I ran back into him, and nobody had taken the time to help him figure it out.

To be honest if someone else had leveled his character for him he would have probably been better off. I can't imagine any power leveler would build anything that dramatically slowed the accumulation of experience points. The temptation to use pets, crystal shard, and bound armor would have been overwhelming.

Anyway he is on the right track now. I have gotten him to break most of his bad habits. He is now leveling alternate weapons, skill lines, and using gear he had not leveled previously, and he is seeing a dramatic improvement. He is even starting to treat his gear like it isn't disposable.

RatsnevE · May 2014

Who in the hell are you talking about in my thread? It's not needed. But it doesn't matter either because I've finished with this lousy Manny boss battle... ...and moved on to the next impossibly difficult boss, Mane Akkhuz-ri in another thread. Maybe you recognize the name since you are sooo into different battle strategies.

estrong20b14_ESO · May 2014

If lag isn't the problem, then the game is very slow at times in getting skills off. One on one, even two, no problems. But up against an uber boss where every hit counts, especially the ones who get healed by their bubbles, fast action counts! I get too frustrated with this. I need a new game.