No secret, each zone should net you 75% of your bar if you complete everything plus your almanac, leaving some room at the end to still have to quest up to VR10, however the amount of quests you need to do is relatively small to what most people claim it to be. No need to grind out quest after quest after quest all the way to VR 10

Sendarya wrote: »

I remember mini-dings in EQ. Sometimes it would take over a month to get one level at higher levels.

I don't understand people who think you should be at max level in an MMO in one or even two months. MMO's are meant to be played long term.

I might agree that vet ranks are a cheap way to extend the leveling process, but I disagree that the leveling process is too long or hard. I'm tired of everyone "finishing" an MMo in a month, then just raiding til they are bored and the next mmo comes along, usually only another month or 2.

Pretty much I would like to echo everything said here. When I first started playing MMO's it would take a casual (but still every day) player 6 months to a year just to hit max level and still not have all the right gear for doing uber raid zomgwtfbbq end game content. MMO's are supposed to be REALLY long term commitments and I'm blown away with people trying to rush as fast as they can to the end when its well known that mmo's always lack end game content for a while after release because the prior game is so massive in scope and they expect you to take more time.

That said, I believe they stated you can technically enter craglorn at vr1 but it was designed for vr10 people. I personally love the idea of playing through the other factions story because I hate the idea of alts. After putting so much work into my first character I dont want to start over with another. Just let me take my current one through alllllll the content. I do wish they handled the leveling a bit different for veteran levels however, as it does seem like they were not sure how to properly scale it and I can see the sudden streeeeetch between satisfaction dings getting so massive all at once it draining peoples will to play. Personally though, I live the storytelling so much in this game that I can somehow get on for 5 hours and barely get anything done and still feel happy I played, so taking my sweeeet arse time through vet content is no biggy, I just probably wont see craglorn for a looong time, but thats ok because I'm choosing to slow it down and enjoy it, instead of rushing to end game and boredom and a cancelled sub.

I wouldn't doubt after the game has been out and around for a long while they will start doing something along those lines where you can insta-level a second character or something. All MMO's do it *after they have been out for a long while*. I wouldn't expect anything like that anytime soon since this game is just barely putting in 'end game' content, and most mmo's have a ton of it before they start allowing you to skip the entire normal game to go straight to end game.

Sendarya wrote: »

Pretty much I would like to echo everything said here. When I first started playing MMO's it would take a casual (but still every day) player 6 months to a year just to hit max level and still not have all the right gear for doing uber raid zomgwtfbbq end game content. MMO's are supposed to be REALLY long term commitments and I'm blown away with people trying to rush as fast as they can to the end when its well known that mmo's always lack end game content for a while after release because the prior game is so massive in scope and they expect you to take more time.

What MMO was this? I have been playing MMO's longer than most. As an example: World of Warcraft came out 10 years ago and a casual player could hit max level in 3 months easily. It's very unrealistic to compare MMOs that launched a decade ago to games today.

Old School MMORPGs all worked on the idea that only hardcore players could participate realistically- and they were right. WoW changed everything and by the time they launched their 1st expansion in 2007 - they had 7 million players - 20 times what other MMOs had. They realized that gaming was for everyone and they changed the model of gaming from " for the hardcore" to "for everyone".

Moba's like LoL are the biggest games played today for this very reason. People don't want to play MMO's 8 hours a day anymore. There are many hardcore MMOs that still follow the no life model, but their player bases are very small.

ESO is marketing itself as a AAA MMORPG. They need to cater to the masses or expect a small player base. You can't have both.

dmanlongb14_ESO wrote: »

Old School MMORPGs all worked on the idea that only hardcore players could participate realistically- and they were right. WoW changed everything and by the time they launched their 1st expansion in 2007 - they had 7 million players - 20 times what other MMOs had. They realized that gaming was for everyone and they changed the model of gaming from " for the hardcore" to "for everyone".

And thats the problem right here, everyone so goddamned brainwashed by how wow does it, something does it different, and forums overflowing with moans and groans.

Sonoshi wrote: »

I think it's amazing that Zenimax is taking all play styles into consideration, rather than siding with just one over the others

I agree this is what they are trying to be but I think they will severely struggle to do it well enough to satisfy anyone completely without massive continuous development of new content which I dont think they have the ability to do.

By the time you get to VR10, you could have made 3 vr1's... Makes sense..

Or they just wanna get rid off all the criers who are looking for a brain at zero uninteresting game.
Im hoping my dl is done fast, wanna see what they did. Already loving the amount of crying that its to hard, while everyone already was crying it was to hard. instead of making it easier they crancked it up a notch, great stuff that they did not give in to the "its to hard" crowd.
And this probably why they have a sub, because its aimed at a small percentage of gamers, but thats just speculation.
Either way, it peeked my interest

This game is not designed for me. I love good questing. But only to a point.

I love grouping and gameplay. I love playing different styles, alts, etc.

Pre-VR dungeon xp is essentially NIL, so I have to create alts in other factions to keep all the questing relatively fresh.

BUT now I understand that VR quests are the SAME just harder? LOL.

Yep this game wasn't designed for the type of player I am. Let's hope the PvP is as good as DAOC's; otherwise my tenure here will be short indeed.

So, yeah. I had an effing blast levelling to 50, got a mount and named it Chuck Ragan because, theres no other exellent name for a horse. Then I entered vet mode. Been playing weeknights since monday (five days) and I'm about 80% of vet1. Can't stand levelling anylonger. I would like to see some dungeons or raids. Tried to do Fungal Grotto with three other vet1 guys. We got our a$$es handed to us pretty badly.

Cancelling the subscription. I'm not gonna get through 10 veteran levels until late fall. Then I can finally enter Craglorn, but I bet everyone else is pretty much done with it by then and already grinding the next thing. Sorry, Zenimax, the content isn't THAT good. And an alt? Never in a million years. Even though I would like to try something less killable than my NB.

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dmanlongb14_ESO wrote: »

Matt Firor (Head Director) was asked about Veteran leveling and incentives for rolling a alternate character in ESO, he said:

"We thought it much better to allow players to experience all content with one character than force them to roll alts. This way, you can keep making your character better (by acquiring more skill points) as you go through Veteran Ranks and can take those new skills to Veteran Dungeons, PvP, and future high-level content. We could have made it so you had to start a new character to play each alliance, but wanted to allow players to keep exploring with their current character."

So according to the director - Veteran content is a substitute for Alts. That fine, but Craiglorn is for VR10 characters.

Basically , we are being forced to level a character to max level and then level 2 other characters to max level before we can do end game content.

Thats not right. 50 is not max level, so its not like leveling 3x. Would it have felt better if they had made max level 150 so you wouldnt feel like you have to level past max level?

Also this all the more reason why I think respecs and attribute redistribution should be free. At least to allow those who have reached that far up in lvls to experiment more with their only character.

Oh btw sharing banks with alts is also imo cheap.

I'll say one thing, after becoming the hero of all 3 factions I had better get faction transfers for free.

Memnock wrote: »

.... is to have us pose as a spy for our faction and find ways to ruin or weaken the other alliances to help keep our loyalty to our own faction

Which would make Razum-dar and the AD anti-espionage storyline not just an interesting storyline but a must for all three factional areas .

Unfortunately, doing so would probably require a separate VR server(s?) which is possibly pvp oriented Flag-games of spy-vs-spy

dmanlongb14_ESO wrote: »

Matt Firor (Head Director) was asked about Veteran leveling and incentives for rolling a alternate character in ESO, he said:

"We thought it much better to allow players to experience all content with one character than force them to roll alts. This way, you can keep making your character better (by acquiring more skill points) as you go through Veteran Ranks and can take those new skills to Veteran Dungeons, PvP, and future high-level content. We could have made it so you had to start a new character to play each alliance, but wanted to allow players to keep exploring with their current character."

Ok if that is true then why do they not just allow Veteran players that have completed all of the main story lines, the ability to change and experience other classes with the same char level and similar skills?