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It's not as strong as you're playing it out to be. It actually needs more work for pve.

It's a direct damage spell, that is actually pretty weak. I think you are mistaken OP.

Funny, it does 277 damage once, and gives me a healing over time. (5 ticks over ten seconds dealing 25% of the damage done as healing to me.)

Which is about 70 healing a tick every two seconds.
And doesn't stack with itself, so recasting it will only reset the duration.


Or has it recently been patched to have a greater effect?

I havnet played my v10 NB for a while but unless they added a DoT swallow soul doesnt do DoT

McDoogs wrote: »

I havnet played my v10 NB for a while but unless they added a DoT swallow soul doesnt do DoT

Strife's tooltip always said it did a DOT, but until the recent patch it never did any damage past the first tick. Now it does, it's still not as bad as the OP is trying to make it out to be.

Strife <Funnel Health> – On occasion can heal more than the suggested 2 ally players and sometimes it doesn’t apply to anyone including the player.
Strife <Funnel Health> – Doesn’t appear to be healing allies for the actual amount it should be, inconsistent heal effects.
Strife <Funnel Health> and <Swallow Soul> – Due to the ranged nature of this spell the projectile often takes several seconds to land on the intended target (even if in melee range).
Strife <Funnel Health> and <Swallow Soul> – Often once cast if the player was to turn away from the enemy target this ability will not do any damage to the intended enemy. (Nearly like it should be a channel from previous games)
Magicka Flood <Passive> – Gives 8% max magicka at level 2 per siphoning ability that is slotted. This passive doesn’t detect Strife

These are what's wrong with it still. Plus there are times when it doesn't do any damage or any heals

Winterstrife wrote: »

Strife/Swallow Soul's tooltip
"Deals 21 Magic Damage and heals player for 25% of the damage inflicted every 2 seconds for 10 seconds. Player also receives 10% more healing from all sources while ability is slotted."

There is no mention of a DoT component, maybe you could post up some combat logs (unable to login the game to test myself due to login server issues -.-).

Uh... what do you think the first line says? It's supposed to tick every 2 seconds, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Prior to the patch, it never ticked past the first damage tick.

Winterstrife wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Uh... what do you think the first line says? It's supposed to tick every 2 seconds, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Prior to the patch, it never ticked past the first damage tick.

Well my bad my mistake, because I never seen the DoT ticking happen & it most certainly wasn't worded clear enough in the tool tip, because felt like it was just referring to the HoT component.
Before the login servers went to sh*t, I noticed that Swallow Soul still doesn't tick past the initial damage, guess the skill is still bugged as hell then.

It's very testy. I've seen it tick occasionally, moreso than it did previously. But I've actually used it on a mob that it should've killed (a non healing mob) and it only did about 500 damage total.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Uh... what do you think the first line says? It's supposed to tick every 2 seconds, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Prior to the patch, it never ticked past the first damage tick.

"Deals 21 Magic Damage and heals player for 25% of the damage inflicted every 2 seconds for 10 seconds. Player also receives 10% more healing from all sources while ability is slotted."

Some of you have misunderstood the description. Which, to be fair on all of you, is down to how badly worded all of these freakin tooltips are.

The damage is 21. It heals the player for 25% of 21 every 2 seconds for 10 seconds. Player also receives 10% more healing from other healing sources when this ability is slotted.

So the ability causes 21 damage once. You use the ability, it hits the target and causes 21 damage. That's all the damage it causes. In addition to that, every 2 seconds, for 10 seconds, it heals the player 5.25 health.

Although, I'd loved to be told I was wrong and it did cause DoT. That would be amazing.

If it's not meant to dot, then something odd is happening where it does extra damage that it's not supposed to, even though the damage isn't that much. If it is supposed to dot, then it's doing a bad job at it. Either way, what the Op says is funny.

@zos_ginabruno - Can you chime in on this? is there supposed to be a dot, or is it just massively underwhelming and worded wrong like a lot of skills?

It's not a confusing tooltip to me, but if others are confused by it, the maybe a simple re-write can help.

Current:
"Deals XXX Magic damage and heals player for 25% of the damage inflicted every 2 seconds for 10 seconds."

New
"Deals XXX Magic damage. Every 2 seconds for the next 10 seconds, the player will be healed for 25% of the final damage amount inflicted."

This new tooltip, while slightly longer, will cover two major points of confusion: not only is it not a Damage-Over-Time ability, but it also only heals 25% of the final amount of damage done (instead of 25% of the listed amount in the tooltip). The difference is that that heal may be adjusted upwards in the case of a crit, or far downwards in the case of a mob/players damage mitigation.

At VR4, this is giving me a listed value of 280 damage for 263 magicka cost. Even if this is a base value, that means my character (who has 1519 health currently) could receive five heal ticks of 70 points over the next ten seconds. If I don't recast it. If the damage wasn't mitigated. If I didn't crit (can it even crit?). And if you do the math, 70 points is what, 2% of my overall bar?

And I wasn't even aware it didn't stack, didn't even think about it. Meaning I'm not getting my full 10 second heal-over-time anyhow.

Some questions left: Is that 70 points per tick, or 70 points divided up into five separate ticks?

Lol, swallow soul doing 1.5K damage... That would mean this one skill take half the HP of your average mob.

Sounds like someone never played Nightblade, haha. It does a decent amount of damage (~10% on a 3K mob) but it has zero dot and heals for a minor amount.

Could the Op be quoting a critical, maybe? Didn't they recently fix it so Strife could crit?

Swallow soul is not dot, but for for some reason it is often bugged, the health return should be 25% but it is like 5%. I hit mob for 250 and the health return tic is 8 WTF.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Swallow soul is not dot, but for for some reason it is often bugged, the health return should be 25% but it is like 5%. I hit mob for 250 and the health return tic is 8 WTF.

Sounds like one of your addons is displaying it incorrectly.

No i don t think it is the addon becase i can see my health regenerates faster in the bar if it works, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn t.
I use foundry tactical combat, anyone got the same issue?

Winterstrife wrote: »

Unless I'm mistaken Strife/Swallow Soul does not have a DoT component to it but rather HoT component on the player instead.
And yes as pointed out, it is not as strong as you're playing it out as compared to say Drain Essence from the Vampire skill line.

Correct, it does instant damage and is a HOT on the player.