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Caltrops Exploit + AoE Caps = Stacking Exploiters will be immune to siege AND AoE damage
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And the only counter to it (Negate Magic) is being capped.
AoE caps are a terrible idea.
Calling it now - stacking exploits (i.e., a big group balls up on top of eachother, with healers hitting only those who get damaged, thus making them pseudo-invincible) with caltrops thrown in for good measure is going to be THE new gameplay in Cyrodiil after this patch, due largely to the poorly thought out AoE caps.
A DAoC style AoE system would neatly fix this problem (damage attenuates from the epicenter).
Edited by ChairGraveyard on May 22, 2014 1:04AM AoE caps are a terrible idea.
Calling it now - stacking exploits (i.e., a big group balls up on top of eachother, with healers hitting only those who get damaged, thus making them pseudo-invincible) with caltrops thrown in for good measure is going to be THE new gameplay in Cyrodiil after this patch, due largely to the poorly thought out AoE caps.
A DAoC style AoE system would neatly fix this problem (damage attenuates from the epicenter).
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SuperScrubby✭✭✭This has been posted and argued for the last month now. While it is a big issue that deserves attention, I doubt any meaningful change will come about.0
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ChairGraveyard✭✭✭✭SuperScrubby wrote: »This has been posted and argued for the last month now. While it is a big issue that deserves attention, I doubt any meaningful change will come about.
This exact topic has not been mentioned - the combination of AoE caps PLUS caltrops is a different animal entirely. The caltrops exploit wasn't wide spread during previous AoE cap discussions, and the only counter to it is being removed tomorrow, without a fix for caltrops itself.
That said, I agree, I doubt anything will be done - except for Cyrodiil devolving further into a wasteland, where the only remaining players are those who think bunching up into a ball should make them immune to AoE damage (cheaters/exploiters).
Edited by ChairGraveyard on May 22, 2014 1:17AM0 -
Dudis✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »We can confirm there is currently a bug with Caltrops, as some of you have called out. We have a fix for it that will go live shortly after the Craglorn patch.
Well, the zergball will at least have a few days of "fun"...
I don't even zerg but i see these balls of people running around every now and then and it's just sad and pathetic.0 -
Infraction✭✭✭There are already caps on all but a handful of abilities. It's funny that you can see a post about caps promoting serving and then below it a thread that aoe damage is to strong enabling smaller groups to wipe zergs.0 -
ChairGraveyard✭✭✭✭Infraction wrote: »There are already caps on all but a handful of abilities. It's funny that you can see a post about caps promoting serving and then below it a thread that aoe damage is to strong enabling smaller groups to wipe zergs.
Regardless, people play as if there are no caps right now, and key abilities that are useful for cracking stacking cheaters are uncapped (well, until the server comes back up).
As soon as the stacking cheaters realize though, that will become the defacto gameplay of Cyrodiil.
Pretty obvious that those that are frothing at the mouth/orgasming over the idea of the poorly thought out AoE cap are just those that want to use stacking to cheat.
Oh well. Cyrodiil has been losing population for the entire (almost) 2 months since release due to issues like this - given how utterly crap stacking cheaters are and how they ruin AvA games overnight, well, just be prepared for it to be EVEN EMPTIER after the stacking cheaters overrun it.
I guess being able to cheat and have pseudo-god-mode is more important to some people than actually having a competitive playing field. Gotta cater to the cheater bads that can't win without cheating and making themselves invincible, I guess.Edited by ChairGraveyard on May 22, 2014 4:14PM0 -
JeffKnight✭✭✭I thought that tomorrow's patch was fixing the caltrops exploit.
If it does, it's not in the patch notes.1 -
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ChairGraveyard✭✭✭✭I wouldn't expect caltrops to be fixed for a while yet, and even if it is, well, the stacking cheaters still have the AoE cap to use to cheat.
Oh well, guess I REALLY won't bother with Cyrodiil now. As if people needed any MORE reasons to stay away from PvP.0 -
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✭✭✭Anyone seen any official response yet ?
There was one, before Craglorn hit, from @ZOS_JessicaFolsom.
There's been nothing but chirping crickets and angry customers since.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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was just in cyrodil auriels bow eu sever, seitan the top exploiter is currerntly using this caltrops bug with a group of 50+, I just logged out cant be bothered to compete against a load of cheaters really.0
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭Is it possible to trick the devs into thinking caltrops are affecting aoe in pve? It would get fixed much quicker if it affected pve. Maybe say caltrops are ruining craglorn, that would get some dev attention.0 -
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✭✭✭Is it possible to trick the devs into thinking caltrops are affecting aoe in pve? It would get fixed much quicker if it affected pve. Maybe say caltrops are ruining craglorn, that would get some dev attention.
You could pick a trials boss and submit a bug report that you took no damage from it while standing on the caltrops.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »was just in cyrodil auriels bow eu sever, seitan the top exploiter is currerntly using this caltrops bug with a group of 50+, I just logged out cant be bothered to compete against a load of cheaters really.
someone seems mad for beeing killed...oh wait, thats actually your name
i don't have caltrops skilled tho and never used it since i knew it was bugged, and even told my group to not use it. and i never had a group of more than 15 ppl, usually we are just 5 or so, so please give me some of the dope you're smoking
and i know, besides mallory, mickey knox and me, every single other player in the top 10 used the vampire ulti exploit, and everyone else is like 10 million points behind me, so its natural to wrongly assume i used it too. i mean, how the *** can seitan have so many points? he must be cheating! get over it. watch my stream if you want to learn how to pvp
twitch.tv/stonyleinchen Seitan - PvP Rank 32 - Prefect0 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭GM's need to come and give the same love to these exploiters as they did bots yesterday. Its really gone on long enough.
ZoS really should have fixed it one way or another a long time ago.Edited by demonlkojipub19_ESO on May 30, 2014 4:54PM0 -
madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »was just in cyrodil auriels bow eu sever, seitan the top exploiter is currerntly using this caltrops bug with a group of 50+, I just logged out cant be bothered to compete against a load of cheaters really.
hey btw thanks for your idea with the 50+ group, i actually did that yesterday and we conquered the whole map
twitch.tv/stonyleinchen Seitan - PvP Rank 32 - Prefect0
