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Arenas for competition plz
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Getting tired of farming zergs since pvp ranks do nothing right now. Only ran into one or two other decent smallman groups due to the zergy atmosphere of cyrodiil. Theres just really no clean area to have a good 4v4 6v6 8v8 gvg etc. GvG arenas would fix this, and provide much needed competition to the servers. As a bonus feature, add a way for each guild to bet gold or rare items against the other on the fight.
To keep them from distracting from cyrodiil (ZOS concern) you could put them on a 24 hour timer, so its a once a day only thing. This way the fight means more to the players involved, since its not repeatable, creating more competition. Competition is enough so rewards for this arena are not necessary, as they will only cause drama by the bads who cannot ever win.
tldr : ZOS plz create a place for competitive pvp because farming noobs gets old.
To keep them from distracting from cyrodiil (ZOS concern) you could put them on a 24 hour timer, so its a once a day only thing. This way the fight means more to the players involved, since its not repeatable, creating more competition. Competition is enough so rewards for this arena are not necessary, as they will only cause drama by the bads who cannot ever win.
tldr : ZOS plz create a place for competitive pvp because farming noobs gets old.
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Anilahation✭✭✭✭Be nice for competitive PvP to be added. Sure you can 1v1 in Cyrodill but the chances of you both being similar skill is slim at least with arenas you will climb a ladder and fight people similar rating/ELO2 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭Predictable fights become boring imo. Granted 8v8 in DAoC was by far my favorite aspect of the game, I still enjoyed the risk, and unpredictability. You never knew for sure if it was going to stay 8v8, be it through adds or another group etc. You always had to be on your toes and on the lookout for incoming, and adapt accordingly.
I'm all for some type of stuff being added to promote 4v4 or 8v8 style pvp, but I'm not in favor of Arenas.
*This is my opinion on the matter, I'm well aware that some people prefer this style of pvp.Edited by Nooblet on May 20, 2014 6:46PM0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭please give an alternative then if you want competition but dont want arenas.
the only option i see there is agramon, which theres no room for in cyrodiil, thus it may as well be an instance.0 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭please give an alternative then if you want competition but dont want arenas.
the only option i see there is agramon, which theres no room for in cyrodiil, thus it may as well be an instance.
Well, they are adding the Imperial City pvp dungeon. I dont think info was released about it much yet. I'm not sure how similar to DAoC it will be or if it will be focused more on PvP, but I can very much see it promoting group vs group play. But I'm not sure how the PvE will play into it, possibly resulting in fights that might not be considered fair.
But I can see something similar with group objectives, and possibly group quests(that need specific numbers of players, not more) . They discussed some type of pvp "games" being possibly introduced into Cyrodiil itself. I'm not sure what exactly they were thinking or how they would keep the zergs from farming the groups.. But I like the idea.Edited by Nooblet on May 20, 2014 6:57PM0 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭Predictable fights become boring imo. Granted 8v8 in DAoC was by far my favorite aspect of the game, I still enjoyed the risk, and unpredictability. You never knew for sure if it was going to stay 8v8, be it through adds or another group etc. You always had to be on your toes and on the lookout for incoming, and adapt accordingly.
I'm all for some type of stuff being added to promote 4v4 or 8v8 style pvp, but I'm not in favor of Arenas.
*This is my opinion on the matter, I'm well aware that some people prefer this style of pvp.
The comp they are running.
The map you are in.
The weapons/skills they are running.
Their are plenty of things that will make matches not feel the same every round.
Imagine if arenas were just empty delves so you had to find the enemy team.
We probably won't get competitive PvP till imperial city is complete.Edited by Anilahation on May 20, 2014 7:00PM1 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Predictable fights become boring imo. Granted 8v8 in DAoC was by far my favorite aspect of the game, I still enjoyed the risk, and unpredictability. You never knew for sure if it was going to stay 8v8, be it through adds or another group etc. You always had to be on your toes and on the lookout for incoming, and adapt accordingly.
I'm all for some type of stuff being added to promote 4v4 or 8v8 style pvp, but I'm not in favor of Arenas.
*This is my opinion on the matter, I'm well aware that some people prefer this style of pvp.
The comp they are running.
The map you are in.
The weapons/skills they are running.
Their are plenty of things that will make matches not feel the same every round.
We probably won't get competitive PvP till imperial city is complete.
Sure there are variables in the fight. But THE fight is still the fight, and you know the fight is coming, where its coming from, how many are there etc.
I don't think Imperial City is what you think it's going to be. (But I guess noone really does atm, but they keep making comparison's to Darkness Falls.. which is FAR from a competitive PvP dungeon)1 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭imperial city looks like darkness falls, and will likely be more of a pvp/pve mixture than a competitive pvp area.
however, if they recognize our need for competition then they might make the Imperial city's arena in a way that could be easily accessed by all realms for some quick fights. but either way, thats still an instance, so they could just do it like a warhammer scenario.0 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭No I meant we won't get competitive PvP until Cyrodill is finished ( the imperial city is live)0
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
Nivzruo_ESO✭✭✭✭Yea, this game needs skill based pvp like 2v2 3v3 arena. Do it like swtor did, have a que for premade teams then have a solo que so you get a random team vs another random team, that is some of the funnest pvp I've had.Nelgyntc- V14 NB0 -
xDonMega✭✭✭I don't think people actually know what the words "competitive" and "skill" really mean..0
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xDonMega✭✭✭If swtor was some of the best pvp you've had, guess what?
You can go back to playing swtor..
I thought swtor pvp sucked, just like rift, neverwinter and every other arena style pvp game.
Edited by xDonMega on May 20, 2014 9:10PM0 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭
Brian wheeler himself said.I don't think people actually know what the words "competitive" and "skill" really mean..
"For the future, we'll be paying close attention to what players ask for whether it's sport style PVP, Arenas, or adding more Keeps to Cyrodiil or different campaigns. That's the beauty of continually supporting E.S.O. after we ship!
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Cyrodill isn't competitive.2 -
Nivzruo_ESO✭✭✭✭If swtor was some of the best pvp you've had, guess what?
You can go back to playing swtor..
I thought swtor pvp sucked, just like rift, neverwinter and every other arena style pvp game.
I still am active in swtor, but I love the game play & lore of eso much better. If they were to combine the features(Solo & team arena and WZs) that swtor has with the game play and build customization of ESO it would truly be the perfect game.. Or I guess swtor could completely redo their game to make it play like eso haha.
On a side note the pvp in Rift was amazing, but when the devs went out and stated they will NEVER add arena most of the serious pvpers gave up on the game. Pledging to not introduce arenas was the downfall of Rift.Nelgyntc- V14 NB1 -
xDonMega✭✭✭Well, you are competing against other people to accomplish awards.. I was say that's a form of competition, hence making it competitive..
One might think that arena style pvp is less competitive, since you step in to an instance structuring your combat experience. Where you don't need to put any effort of your own into creating combat situations.
One might think that it actually takes more skill to be successful in this open environment AvA, where you have to deal with changing world around you, than it does to be successful in the controlled environment of the arena.
People don't want arenas because it's competitive. They want arenas because they don't have the skill to be competitive when the odds aren't in their favor.
Edited by xDonMega on May 20, 2014 10:09PM0 -
Lowbei✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »No Arena's Lowbei
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Anilahation✭✭✭✭Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »That one would be pretty stupid. ^
Must be why Dota 2 pro players that win this year get a million dollars per player, You know because their game isn't competitive because encounters aren't based on random/luck.
Edited by Anilahation on May 20, 2014 10:11PM0 -
liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭Not a fan of Arena queue-and-spew.
People pretty much just sit there, day after day, tweaking a small set of "best builds" for handling the set number of people they are playing.
While the world is at war? Doesn't sit well with me.
But you know what? I'd love for there to be Arenas if it was run by:
Sheogorath.
Random events, arenas collapsing, NPCs interfering... complete mayhem.
Sure... I'd love to see that.Edited by liquid_wolf on May 20, 2014 10:22PM0 -
Nooblet✭✭✭✭Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »If swtor was some of the best pvp you've had, guess what?
You can go back to playing swtor..
I thought swtor pvp sucked, just like rift, neverwinter and every other arena style pvp game.
I still am active in swtor, but I love the game play & lore of eso much better. If they were to combine the features(Solo & team arena and WZs) that swtor has with the game play and build customization of ESO it would truly be the perfect game.. Or I guess swtor could completely redo their game to make it play like eso haha.
On a side note the pvp in Rift was amazing, but when the devs went out and stated they will NEVER add arena most of the serious pvpers gave up on the game. Pledging to not introduce arenas was the downfall of Rift.
PvP was absolutely horrible in Rift. I played rift for 2 years, and consider myself a PvP player.. but I did not play rift for the PvP... infact I only did Conquest because it was required to be competitive in PvE. The downfall of Rift was many things... including horrible PvP.. but NOT because they did not have arenas.0 -
Nivzruo_ESO✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »That one would be pretty stupid. ^
Must be why Dota 2 pro players that win this year get a million dollars per player, You know because their game isn't competitive because encounters aren't based on random/luck.
I was pointing to donmegas post.Well, you are competing against other people to accomplish awards.. I was say that's a form of competition, hence making it competitive..
One might think that arena style pvp is less competitive, since you step in to an instance structuring your combat experience. Where you don't need to put any effort of your own into creating combat situations.
One might think that it actually takes more skill to be successful in this open environment AvA, where you have to deal with changing world around you, than it does to be successful in the controlled environment of the arena.
People don't want arenas because it's competitive. They want arenas because they don't have the skill to be competitive when the odds aren't in their favor.
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Anilahation✭✭✭✭Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »That one would be pretty stupid. ^
Must be why Dota 2 pro players that win this year get a million dollars per player, You know because their game isn't competitive because encounters aren't based on random/luck.
How does bringing up dota2 help your argument for world pvp? If anything the success of these moba games shows you that people want small scale style pvp not massive zerg v zerg trash.
Pretty much... the top competitive games atm are SC2, Dota2/LoL, CS:GO and ETC.
I understand that DAOC fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in DAOC over a decade ago.0 -
liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Pretty much... the top competitive games atm are SC2, Dota2/LoL, CS:GO and ETC.
I understand that DAOC fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in DAOC over a decade ago.
Everyone can go play those games if they want the Moba/Arena experience. It would gain ZOS nothing to try to implement those styles into their MMORPG at this point.
Not when there are so many people doing it very well.
Whereas few people do World/Keep PvP well... and it seems to be a market they could thrive in.Edited by liquid_wolf on May 20, 2014 10:28PM0 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭liquid_wolf wrote: »JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Pretty much... the top competitive games atm are SC2, Dota2/LoL, CS:GO and ETC.
I understand that DAOC fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in DAOC over a decade ago.
Everyone can go play those games if they want the Moba/Arena experience. It would gain ZOS nothing to try to implement those styles of games into their MMORPG at this point.
Not when there are so many people doing it very well.
ATM there is no MMO that is an E-sport. WoW got banned from MLG for their horrible balance.
So being the first MMO to fill that void is good enough reason if any.
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Nooblet✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »That one would be pretty stupid. ^
Must be why Dota 2 pro players that win this year get a million dollars per player, You know because their game isn't competitive because encounters aren't based on random/luck.
How does bringing up dota2 help your argument for world pvp? If anything the success of these moba games shows you that people want small scale style pvp not massive zerg v zerg trash.
Pretty much... the top competitive games atm are SC2, Dota2/LoL, CS:GO and ETC.
I understand that DAOC fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in DAOC over a decade ago.
I understand that WoW fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in WoW.
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Anilahation✭✭✭✭JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »That one would be pretty stupid. ^
Must be why Dota 2 pro players that win this year get a million dollars per player, You know because their game isn't competitive because encounters aren't based on random/luck.
How does bringing up dota2 help your argument for world pvp? If anything the success of these moba games shows you that people want small scale style pvp not massive zerg v zerg trash.
Pretty much... the top competitive games atm are SC2, Dota2/LoL, CS:GO and ETC.
I understand that DAOC fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in DAOC over a decade ago.
I understand that WoW fanboys want their nostalgia to come back, but that is a thing of the past and ESO shouldn't be punished because you are craving the nostalgia you got back in WoW.
Players that want their WoW nostalgia go play Vanilla wow Private servers or Wildstar.
Why can't DAOC fanboys just go play DAOC?
Also AvA has not done any game good atm, DAOC/AOC/WAR/GW2 all games that added in RVR and just look at them... look at how they aged compared to their competitors.
Edited by Anilahation on May 20, 2014 10:32PM1