I thought you get guild bank anyway, doesn't matter how big the guild is ?! Store . . . sure, if you think you guys going to have crazy sales - why not.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Yes, a guild is a guild, whether there are ten people or a hundred.
Daft question really.

Is it? As it stands, smaller guilds don't have access to either their bank or their store. Clearly, someone out there thought this was a good idea. I'd like to know if the public agrees. If the public doesn't, then maybe the devs will see this and do something about it?

What would the point of a guild store be in a guild with 10 members? Presumably a guild that small all knows each other. There's no need for a large exchange for them to buy/sell goods.

BKTHNDR wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Yes, a guild is a guild, whether there are ten people or a hundred.
Daft question really.

Is it? As it stands, smaller guilds don't have access to either their bank or their store.

Ah, didn't know this. But as I said a guild is a guild no matter how many members, so they should have access to it.

Turelus wrote: »

I'm voting no because of the following reasons.

The current requirement for a guild bank is ten members, this means that a single player has to at least do some ground work before establishing a bank for the guild.
Without this limit every player in the game could create a single person guild and instantly gain 500 new bank slots which isn't what's intended by the developers. Ten members is not a staggering number and actually pretty acceptable amount of work required for a guild to achieve, less than this and the bank as I said becomes a bonus storage zone for three or four friends who play together and trust each other.

Guild stores I am a little more accepting of the lowered limit but you have to ask yourself if you have less than fifty members why do you need to list the items to sell, you can easily just say "hey I have x number of y to sell, anyone interested?" in guild chat.

If they're to lower the numbers required for a guild to have a store then I believe there should be a numbers requirement on taking control of a keep or resource in regards to stores functioning from there.

Take an honestly look at why you're asking for these limits to be lowered and is it simply because you want 500 slots more storage for you and your two or three friends as well as the ability for the small group of you to sell to others via keeps, or is it because you believe this has a negative impact on the way the game is currently working, if so post you evidence for that and back up the argument more than "I want access to this, thus it should be changed".

This is spot on.

Yes, it was pretty stupid to do it the way they did. Smaller guilds should definitely have bank access. Don't know about guild stores since smaller guilds don't really need that.

I'd say 2 to 10 should have 100 slots, 11 - 25 should have 200, 26 to 50 should have 300 and 50+ 500

Turelus wrote: »

How would those posting for smaller guild to have access to a guild bank feel about a guild bank based on numbers in the guild?

2 -10 Members - 50 slots
11 - 25 Members - 100 slots
26 - 50 Members 200 slots
50+ 500 slots

Under this you would give smaller guilds access to some guild storage whilst not giving a single or couple of players the chance to access 500 slots of free storage.

I think this is an awesome idea. Your first post was pretty spot on, too. Like you mentioned previously, this will keep smaller guilds from exploiting the larger number of guild bank slots.

Turelus wrote: »

How would those posting for smaller guild to have access to a guild bank feel about a guild bank based on numbers in the guild?

2 -10 Members - 50 slots
11 - 25 Members - 100 slots
26 - 50 Members 200 slots
50+ 500 slots

Under this you would give smaller guilds access to some guild storage whilst not giving a single or couple of players the chance to access 500 slots of free storage.

This would hit crafting guilds hard, typical guild where you stuff all common materials you harvest and take out that you need.
you also store items for other to deconstruct or research.
Add the bug who don't let materials stack. Understand this was something to do with duping but why don't stack on close.

Turelus wrote: »

How would those posting for smaller guild to have access to a guild bank feel about a guild bank based on numbers in the guild?

2 -10 Members - 50 slots
11 - 25 Members - 100 slots
26 - 50 Members 200 slots
50+ 500 slots

Under this you would give smaller guilds access to some guild storage whilst not giving a single or couple of players the chance to access 500 slots of free storage.

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

I'd say 2 to 10 should have 100 slots, 11 - 25 should have 200, 26 to 50 should have 300 and 50+ 500

Somewhere between the two would be perfect.
But first, don't you need Ten active members to stay as a guild?

So how about
10-20 Members - 100 slots
21-35 Members - 200 Slots
36-50 Members - 300 Slots
50+ Members - 500 Slots

Turelus wrote: »

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

I'd say 2 to 10 should have 100 slots, 11 - 25 should have 200, 26 to 50 should have 300 and 50+ 500

100 slots is a very large number of free storage for two people though.
Look at the escalating costs of bags and personal banking and it's clear to see that the developers wanted bank space to be something you have to think about.

I aimed at 50 because that should be more than enough room to fit a number of crafting materials and consumable resources in for ten or less players. I would imagine that a number of those posting in favour of having banks for less than ten members are either players who want a solo guild bank or a smaller than ten group of friends who want to have access to a bank for additional storage.

Right now the system of 500 instant slots for ten members is actually very good when you look at how much you gain for very little work, my main social guild of friends has exactly ten members and we all get the benefit of 500 slots + personal storage to keep materials.

Also consider than a group of three or four friends with a guild can always recruit others and not grant them bank access, having a guild of ten people but only three or four officers with access to the bank. Maybe as those others who joined become better friends and build relationships they can be granted access.

I'm thinking more on the level of 8 or 9. 50 is just too small for 8 or 9 guild members. I have 10 guild members and I have 300 of my slots filled. So no, it is not enough.

@RianaTheBosmer the idea I put out was more of an attempt to play the other side of the argument and what would make people happier.
I have a ten man guild right now and we use close to 400 of the slots for shared crafting (mostly provisioning) materials so the change I proposed would hurt me hard as well.

I just wanted to see how others agreeing that guild bank access should be for everyone would feel about an idea where it scales depending on the size of the guild. 500 slots is a lot even for a ten player guild and giving that access openly to anyone with less than that could lead to cases where people create personal storage guilds.

Right now the system of ten players doesn't allow for a guild bank creation circle, anything less than six opens this up to abuse.
As an example: Players A, B, C, D and E each create a guild and join each guild, they each now have a guild with five members opening up a 500 slot personal guild bank.

Ten is a pretty fair number of people to have in a guild, stops abuse of the system like I described above. As I said in an earlier post it's pretty easy as well for a small friends only guild of say four to five players to pick up some random people for the purpose of unlocking a guild bank, they may also over time form a relationship with those random players forming a larger and more social guild.

As I said before right now there have been no solid arguments as to why the current ten man limit is having a negative effect on the game and why it should be lowered. Personally I feel those in favour are the ones who want to get access to a larger storage bank without having to work with others, which isn't the intended design of a guild bank.
A way around that is for players who want a personal 500 slot bank to create a trade guild, invite as many people as you can to a guild and keep the bank locked to only the Guild Master and Officers, never promote random players to officer and you now have a guild bank and store for your four or five players (or self). Turn that specific guild off in the chat window and you never have to deal with anything while having your bank and store.

So in closing those asking for the reduction in number of members needed to have a bank and store please give solid reason why this would be good for the game and how it wouldn't be abused by players looking for more personal bank space and avoiding the charges required to upgrade personal banks.

radiostar wrote: »

Even though I founded a very small guild that doesn't get the bank yet, I voted no for the reasons above.

The sliding scale idea is a good one though, although it would probably be used as extra storage for some. To limit that, ZOS could disband your guild if it falls to 1 or 2 members within a certain amount of time. I think 10 days or 2 weeks is what I've seen before.

They could just keep the current system of if you fall below the number needed for a bank you can only withdraw items from the bank.

So with the scaling bank if you had 100 slots, someone left and you dropped to 50 slots you couldn't add more items again until the current number fell below 50. Considering you can split stacks from the bank, nor add them into a stack right away people wouldn't be able to add new items.

wafffllesss wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

How would those posting for smaller guild to have access to a guild bank feel about a guild bank based on numbers in the guild?

2 -10 Members - 50 slots
11 - 25 Members - 100 slots
26 - 50 Members 200 slots
50+ 500 slots

Under this you would give smaller guilds access to some guild storage whilst not giving a single or couple of players the chance to access 500 slots of free storage.

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

I'd say 2 to 10 should have 100 slots, 11 - 25 should have 200, 26 to 50 should have 300 and 50+ 500

Somewhere between the two would be perfect.
But first, don't you need Ten active members to stay as a guild?

So how about
10-20 Members - 100 slots
21-35 Members - 200 Slots
36-50 Members - 300 Slots
50+ Members - 500 Slots

Why not 10 bank slots per player in the guild (with a max ammount of slots)?

2 players 20 slots
10 players 100 slots.

That way it would not be a great help to those who just want extra storage.

Ok, that sounds fair.

Should be scaled somehow. The more members, the cheaper the cost to sell something in the store. The guild bank should scale its inventory slots with the number of members

1 member = 1 slot
50 members = 50 slots,
500 members = 500 slots.

That would be the only way I could accept it, because else alot of guilds would be made only for the purpose of storing.