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If sorc gets a fantastic burst heal from scribing, NB & Arc should get a fantastic cleanse too
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Dot sorcs are a menace in PvP and many of these sorcs are abusing all the passive healing and shielding their class and class masteries afford them so you cannot burst them unless you are a dk. Sorc as a class was built around them having to rely on shields and things like crit surge and other sources for healing because they were not given a class burst heal but were given fantastic power in other areas. Now that people are returning to pure classing after scribing is out, they are excessively benefitting from the scribing burst heal in Wield Soul. Wield soul is a better burst heal than some class burst heals. This has created a situation where a Sorc has power they were given in light of a lack of something elsewhere in their class, but now they have that thing they were buffed so much for not having.
Sorcs are a menace in PvP for everyone who isn't a dk or a ww. Dot sorcs in particular are the worst problem for the rest of the classes unless you have a purge like templar but templar is in such a rough spot anyways they die too.
I propose instead of nerfing sorc because everyone will collectively whine and throw a temper tantrum we instead add an equally amazing cleanse into the scribing system that is cheap and usable by all classes who lack it. It would give classes like NB or or Arcanist a way to at least survive this massive power imbalance going on in pvp between Dot sorcs and DKs. Not to mention how DK is as much a burst class as a dot class at the same time now. The dots from these two classes in combination with the rest of their kit makes it impossible for classes like NB or Arc to keep up or be competitive in any kind of fun way. There are other problems too of course, but I feel like this would at least allow the lowest classes survive a bit better and not be such a joke
Edited by XVestigeXx on August 28, 2026 11:46AM Sorcs are a menace in PvP for everyone who isn't a dk or a ww. Dot sorcs in particular are the worst problem for the rest of the classes unless you have a purge like templar but templar is in such a rough spot anyways they die too.
I propose instead of nerfing sorc because everyone will collectively whine and throw a temper tantrum we instead add an equally amazing cleanse into the scribing system that is cheap and usable by all classes who lack it. It would give classes like NB or or Arcanist a way to at least survive this massive power imbalance going on in pvp between Dot sorcs and DKs. Not to mention how DK is as much a burst class as a dot class at the same time now. The dots from these two classes in combination with the rest of their kit makes it impossible for classes like NB or Arc to keep up or be competitive in any kind of fun way. There are other problems too of course, but I feel like this would at least allow the lowest classes survive a bit better and not be such a joke
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Ordinator199✭✭✭arcanist/nightblade had the pulse gank going for them, zos decided to take that away0
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Luneca✭✭✭✭✭XVestigeXx wrote: »Sorcs are a menace in PvP for everyone who isn't a dk or a ww. Dot sorcs in particular are the worst problem for the rest of the classes unless you have a purge like templar but templar is in such a rough spot anyways they die too.
"Pro" Sorc here chiming in:
Wow, why does everyone want to ruin fun!? Are you serious? DoTs are like, non existent no one uses them! They've already nerfed always-nerfered and worst class Sorc into the ground by gutting Static Reverbation and now you are suggesting a clease should exist that can be casted at least on a 1:1 basis of efficiency with DoTs...and everyone should have access to it?
Are you serious! I've said it before, and you should say it with me now: 1:1 isn't fun!
That's why cleansing 2 effects on a class that isn't the best at at the very top, like Templar or Necro and not poor "pro" Sorc me, should cost so much resources that it's prohibitive.
Wait, that's it! No, this can't happen! I-If you do that, then what is the purpose of Templar? Necros lose value too! Yeah, the classes lose their identity! "Pro" Sorc me, with every advantage under the sun suddenly cares about other classes and their identity as long as preserving it keeps me above everyone else!
The scribing system already is far too powerful. Everyone is slotting scribed skills and doing better than "pro" Sorc me. Bigger shields, bigger healing, bigger burst, bigger DoTs -- it just makes every class so much better than Sorc and you want that buffed.
I simply cannot understand the logic while I wear a set that automatically cleanses me, hide under multiple shields that I don't even have to cast that are automated, get free healing on offensive ticks more than once, use skills and ults that provide both offense and defensive value and ability in the same window of time, and can burst someone tanky down for over 37K in a moment of time or 49k with overload in the same window of time, 52K when I am using DBoS and cancel fast enough in melee.
I don't understand how anyone can find that unbalanced. I just got called a cheater in IC again! Can you believe that? Me, "pro" Sorc being called a cheater. Others said they will just play Sorc. I warned them that it was much harder than they thought! That Sorc was the most nerfed, most victimized, and most worst class in the game. And they laughed.
The other Sorc could not believe what I was wearing and said it was a complete waste of a skill slot, but then they put it on and came back about an hour later. And I was the one who had to start streaking frantically.
That demonstrates that cleanse for everyone would be a problem. It's made my job as a "pro" Sorc harder to the point that I almost got farmed by 6 people I easily killed before.
No way should my DoT build with no other counter gain one. Not without doing something like making Sorc shards an instant cast spammable while preserving their 17K damage that I will pretend isn't the case.
Even though a purge would enter the domain of classes that suck like Templar and Necro and make them useless -- I mean, classes likeTemplar and Necro that are the BEST right now compared to Sorc. Gosh what's wrong with me today making these mistakes?
A-At any rate you have my opinion. Answer is: no! We need to preserve the identity of two of the most powerful classes in the game: Templar and Necromancer. And avoid nerfing the worst, most victimized, always-nerfed, last-place, unusable without Streak, impossible to sustain Sorc.
Strange, sometimes I wonder why I keep doubting if I am "pro" Sorc when I definitely am.3 -
aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭I know that was satire but I didn’t understand some of it.
I do main a sorc and tried to play dot sorc with serpaints distain and vateshrun back bar.
Honestly it seemed pretty lack luster compared to my null arca burst build. Although maybe I try it again and mix it in with null arca.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I know that was satire but I didn’t understand some of it.
I do main a sorc and tried to play dot sorc with serpaints distain and vateshrun back bar.
Honestly it seemed pretty lack luster compared to my null arca burst build. Although maybe I try it again and mix it in with null arca.
I am not so sure it is satire anymore. I think that player might be jumping on the nerf Sorc bandwagon.
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Oceanchanter✭✭✭✭All those "nerf this" and "nerf that" posts makes me wish ZOS just removed all classes, skills, weapons, races, etc.
Everyone plays as Bob.
Bob uses fists, has only 1 attack, and deals fixed damage.
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Munkfist✭✭✭✭✭Oceanchanter wrote: »All those "nerf this" and "nerf that" posts makes me wish ZOS just removed all classes, skills, weapons, races, etc.
Everyone plays as Bob.
Bob uses fists, has only 1 attack, and deals fixed damage.
They added Vengeance for those people, but then it's skill-based, which they also don't want.@Munkfist PC-NA
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XVestigeXx✭✭✭✭Oceanchanter wrote: »All those "nerf this" and "nerf that" posts makes me wish ZOS just removed all classes, skills, weapons, races, etc.
Everyone plays as Bob.
Bob uses fists, has only 1 attack, and deals fixed damage.
If you had read the post you would have seen that its a post about buffing other classes with a better scribed cleanse(along with sorc since its scribed) rather than nerfing sorc, DK, or dots outright. My proposal is a buff to all classes lacking a cleanse rather than a nerf to sorc or dk or dots and I stated it that way because people will whine and complain that we should never nerf anything ever and only buff the lower classes.
So now I am calling for a buff to the lower classes (and the top classes indirectly) through a better cleanse so they can survive against the top classes abusing the meta builds better and you people still moan and complain without even reading the post. Incredible
Edited by XVestigeXx on August 30, 2026 11:26AM0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭✭Oceanchanter wrote: »All those "nerf this" and "nerf that" posts makes me wish ZOS just removed all classes, skills, weapons, races, etc.
Everyone plays as Bob.
Bob uses fists, has only 1 attack, and deals fixed damage.
They added Vengeance for those people, but then it's skill-based, which they also don't want.
Vengence is like if you stripped a burger of everything but the pickles so you just have pickles left0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭✭XVestigeXx wrote: »Sorcs are a menace in PvP for everyone who isn't a dk or a ww. Dot sorcs in particular are the worst problem for the rest of the classes unless you have a purge like templar but templar is in such a rough spot anyways they die too.
"Pro" Sorc here chiming in:
Wow, why does everyone want to ruin fun!? Are you serious? DoTs are like, non existent no one uses them! They've already nerfed always-nerfered and worst class Sorc into the ground by gutting Static Reverbation and now you are suggesting a clease should exist that can be casted at least on a 1:1 basis of efficiency with DoTs...and everyone should have access to it?
Are you serious! I've said it before, and you should say it with me now: 1:1 isn't fun!
That's why cleansing 2 effects on a class that isn't the best at at the very top, like Templar or Necro and not poor "pro" Sorc me, should cost so much resources that it's prohibitive.
Wait, that's it! No, this can't happen! I-If you do that, then what is the purpose of Templar? Necros lose value too! Yeah, the classes lose their identity! "Pro" Sorc me, with every advantage under the sun suddenly cares about other classes and their identity as long as preserving it keeps me above everyone else!
The scribing system already is far too powerful. Everyone is slotting scribed skills and doing better than "pro" Sorc me. Bigger shields, bigger healing, bigger burst, bigger DoTs -- it just makes every class so much better than Sorc and you want that buffed.
I simply cannot understand the logic while I wear a set that automatically cleanses me, hide under multiple shields that I don't even have to cast that are automated, get free healing on offensive ticks more than once, use skills and ults that provide both offense and defensive value and ability in the same window of time, and can burst someone tanky down for over 37K in a moment of time or 49k with overload in the same window of time, 52K when I am using DBoS and cancel fast enough in melee.
I don't understand how anyone can find that unbalanced. I just got called a cheater in IC again! Can you believe that? Me, "pro" Sorc being called a cheater. Others said they will just play Sorc. I warned them that it was much harder than they thought! That Sorc was the most nerfed, most victimized, and most worst class in the game. And they laughed.
The other Sorc could not believe what I was wearing and said it was a complete waste of a skill slot, but then they put it on and came back about an hour later. And I was the one who had to start streaking frantically.
That demonstrates that cleanse for everyone would be a problem. It's made my job as a "pro" Sorc harder to the point that I almost got farmed by 6 people I easily killed before.
No way should my DoT build with no other counter gain one. Not without doing something like making Sorc shards an instant cast spammable while preserving their 17K damage that I will pretend isn't the case.
Even though a purge would enter the domain of classes that suck like Templar and Necro and make them useless -- I mean, classes likeTemplar and Necro that are the BEST right now compared to Sorc. Gosh what's wrong with me today making these mistakes?
A-At any rate you have my opinion. Answer is: no! We need to preserve the identity of two of the most powerful classes in the game: Templar and Necromancer. And avoid nerfing the worst, most victimized, always-nerfed, last-place, unusable without Streak, impossible to sustain Sorc.
Strange, sometimes I wonder why I keep doubting if I am "pro" Sorc when I definitely am.
FR this is how all these people act and sound when anyone suggests there be any sort of counter to sorc or the meta dot build the top two classes use (sorc and DK) They're the most obnoxious soft people that either don't realize the imbalance because they don't play other classes or they just want to crutch and then get on here acting like "poor sorc" is just in last place when its contending with literal demigod dk and wwEdited by XVestigeXx on August 30, 2026 11:13AM1 -
Oceanchanter✭✭✭✭Oceanchanter wrote: »All those "nerf this" and "nerf that" posts makes me wish ZOS just removed all classes, skills, weapons, races, etc.
Everyone plays as Bob.
Bob uses fists, has only 1 attack, and deals fixed damage.
They added Vengeance for those people, but then it's skill-based, which they also don't want.
Its a good start.
Everyone will play Bob soon.0 -
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✭I have a much better idea in line with the forums. Nerf that Burst heal, Sorc OP.PC|EU0
