Negate Stamina skills too

Sabre · August 9

Negate should be adjusted to work against both stamina and magicka skills to better align with hybridization.

Soarora · August 9

The counter to negate is another negate from outside of the silence area or using stamina inside of the silence area. No.

LunaFlora · August 9

no, Negate negates magic

Wuuffyy · August 9

LunaFlora wrote: »

no, Negate negates magic

What do you wager stamina Arcanist beam is?

valenwood_vegan · August 9

So then what would be the counter to a negate? Slowly walk out of the area while unable to block or dodge or heal?

Vaqual · August 9

Wuuffyy wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

no, Negate negates magic

What do you wager stamina Arcanist beam is?

Bad design, heh

Turtle_Bot · August 10

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

So then what would be the counter to a negate? Slowly walk out of the area while unable to block or dodge or heal?

Magicka core combat (ice staff block and the mythic that makes core combat use mag) still works under negate already so it would be no different if it negated Stamina abilities as well since it would only affect activated skills not core combat.

Make Negate apply "Silence" and "Fatigue" to targets in it's AoE, with Fatigue just being the stamina version of Silence.

valenwood_vegan · August 10

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

So then what would be the counter to a negate? Slowly walk out of the area while unable to block or dodge or heal?

Magicka core combat (ice staff block and the mythic that makes core combat use mag) still works under negate already so it would be no different if it negated Stamina abilities as well since it would only affect activated skills not core combat.

Make Negate apply "Silence" and "Fatigue" to targets in it's AoE, with Fatigue just being the stamina version of Silence.

Appreciate the clarification on that.

Luneca · August 10

Negate should negate vigor.

El_Borracho · August 10

Wuuffyy wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

no, Negate negates magic

What do you wager stamina Arcanist beam is?

A product of people demanding hybridization while ignoring those who warned against merging stamina and magicka into a variable resource pool?

CameraBeardThePirate · August 15

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

So then what would be the counter to a negate? Slowly walk out of the area while unable to block or dodge or heal?

Who says you're unable to block or dodge while in Negate? You can do both of those things. You can also heal if you have Vigor (most characters will).

And as said elsewhere, Negate is a coordination check. The counter is for group members outside the Negate to pump heals or throw down their own Negate.

pinkpom · August 15

I want to create an Ultimate Ability that negate stamina skills using Scribing.

Sabre · August 18

The point of the original post is previous to hybrid and subclassing, clear distinctions existed between stam vs. magic skills. After hybrid/subclass...those distinctions disappear. magic and spell dmg being the same stat is a terrible idea. Now that it is all the same, and stam users have 'magicka' skills like the arcanist beam...negate should effect stam, too. This post shouldn't be necessary, because tthe concept of hybrid/subclass in a high fantasy game of warriors, rogues, wizards, and healers is antithetical to everyone being able to do everything.

SilverIce58 · August 18

Instead of negating stamina used skills, why dont we negate their armor and give one morph (the damage morph) Major Brittle?

I've had several ideas on a Negate update in the past, and honestly its such a lackluster skill that giving it something like Major Brittle wouldnt probably break nearly anything, and would give more reason to use it in pve.

tsaescishoeshiner · August 18

It seems arbitrary, mechanic-wise, that it would only nullify ultimates and magicka abilities. I think this is because of a lack of identity for stamina vs magicka builds in general.

Whenever I have stamina skills that I can use through negate, it's more of a lucky thing than intentional.

ViggyBoi · August 19

Wuuffyy wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

no, Negate negates magic

What do you wager stamina Arcanist beam is?

Stamic

CatalinaWineMixer2 · August 19

If it's as oppressive as you suggest, we might as well just remove all Ultimates but only in PvP. It's not fair to impact 1 Class and not the others.

Turtle_Bot · August 20

ViggyBoi wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

no, Negate negates magic

What do you wager stamina Arcanist beam is?

Stamic

Or Mamina