Syldras wrote: »

You know a collaboration works in both directions? Especially after most of ESO's writing team is gone, I could see TES6 writers assisting with ESO writing.

That's not going to happen. When it comes to TES, Microsoft's priority is TES6. The XBox CEO was at Bethesda earlier this week looking at TES6. You can bet, "When can you release this?" and "What do you need to release it sooner?" were questions she asked. There's no way they'll dedicate any TES6 resources to ESO.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure what the point of focusing on a single player provincial spin-off is...

Billions of dollars. And ESO is a spin-off of the SP TES games, not the other way around.

BretonMage wrote: »

A single-player TES isn't the same as a TES MMO, so I don't see why players would leave ESO permanently. They might spend some time away from ESO to play TES6, but why wouldn't they come back?

I've taken a couple of months off ESO here and there as I've played other SP games, but I always come back.

Last year I would have agreed with you, but now I don't think the majority would return. For players that prefer story and exploration, what would they be returning for? A new zone every few years? A few hours of story content a year? And for some, once the addiction is broken, it's done.

• They allocated enough of the ESO team to VI that they ESO roadmap for 2026 was completely gutted.
• This shows that VI is behind schedule. They wouldn't severely cannibalize another team if the situation wasn't dire.
• This also shows that ESO is relatively unimportant product.
• If there is another higher profile product behind schedule in 2027/28, they will do the same thing: Shovel resources at the new game.
• I don't see a way that the ESO team is restored.
• Our only hope is that there is enough similarity between engines and production techniques, that the team can throw ESO some content that was cut from VI. Maybe VI is using AI augmented content generation which can also be applied to ESO.
  

AzuraFan wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

A single-player TES isn't the same as a TES MMO, so I don't see why players would leave ESO permanently. They might spend some time away from ESO to play TES6, but why wouldn't they come back?

I've taken a couple of months off ESO here and there as I've played other SP games, but I always come back.

Last year I would have agreed with you, but now I don't think the majority would return. For players that prefer story and exploration, what would they be returning for? A new zone every few years? A few hours of story content a year? And for some, once the addiction is broken, it's done.

I guess it remains to be seen what shape TES6 will take. I'd be worried if it had a robust live service element, because that may be the strongest indication that they intend to cannibalise ESO. Otherwise I'd assume ESO will continue to provide the TES MMO experience, and that hopefully regular updates are planned for ESO once TES6 is released.

If ESO is making money/profit, then MS will keep it going. It’s that simple.

I only got into ESO because we didn't have another mainline ES game and Skyrim was honestly the worst game in the mainline series. Calling it lightning in a bottle is insane because most sales came from the initial Bethesda Fan base picking it up then inspiring new fans. They were already snowballing.

Personally I like Starfield and feel like it has the best character dialog and persuasion system to date but I know a lot of people didn't like it because it wasn't ready and that is what I am worried about with ESVI that it will be pushed before it is ready. So, I am fine with moving devs around. ESO id very dated at this point and the engine itself would need an overhaul to modernize it. New World was terrible but they did have a good bar system, Fallout 76 is more akin to what everyone expected at ESO launch playing more like the main Fallout games rather than a traditional MMO from 20 years ago, and while I dislike the game due to one of their Moderators sexual harassing me (I rejected them when they asked me out and they started messing with my account) Star Citizen did end up getting Server Meshing to work at scale so action MMOs like Fallout could run a 600 person server.

Take the devs and put them towards ESVI so that we get a good game. Microsoft is already rushing things out the door and it needs to hit. Then once it is released work on ESO2 by making it closer to Fallout 76 but with higher server populations through meshing etc. No one weaves anymore. Action MMOs have a bigger audience now.

I hate to be the bearer of ill-tidings but that seems to be my station in life and so, I come with tales of not looking forward to TES 6.

To me, ESO is worth more. Maybe TES 6 will turn out alright but every Beth game has the same problems on release...

1) The UI will look like a sheet of checkboxes on a Clipboard.
2) The inventory will be borderline unusable, def not flexible and absolutely miserable organization.
3) Quests will be bugged.
4) Animations will be glitchy / physics might even be incomplete for certain sequences. It will be notable buggy.
5) Different versions of the game will be shot at us like bullets thru a gatling gun. This will rip holes in everyone's mods from people trying to actually fix the problems that Beth left. If MS is pushing them, expect TES 6 to be full of more holes than Swiss cheese, but def nowhere even close to being as favorable. (The more holes swiss has the better the flavor).
6) Morale and initial enthusiasm for the game will settle down quick from existing issues. Tension with modders will increase significantly over time as they try to plug holes in the product.

So I ask myself, do I really want to go thru all that crap again? I mean, we didn't even get to experience the Great War or the Second Great War in Skryim, let alone, the Civil War. Seriously. Why should I care about TES 6 when Skyrim delivered on some things but really was never finished. All them releases of Skyrim, all of them never finished some of the things that many of the fans cared most about. Think about it... after YEARS they never finished Skyrim. Don't tell me the Civil War was finished IT WASN'T. Other quests were not. It was really disappointing. You know... what happened to Ulfric if he won, did the Empire get reformed if they won, who is the new Emperor... none of it was answered. And the quests leading up to these questions were so boring and uninteresting and the lack of consequences seemed unending. That's your real season unending is the lack of consequences to quest 'decisions'. I'm not even angry, just really sad and disappointed.

And then I have ESO over here, which I have played and contributed to for years despite it all, not unlike a best friend or even family. Why would I want to go thru the meat grinder again for a product that won't deliver what we want. Beth is off to the races to finish TES 6 but I'm not sure why even bother at this point. ESO on the other hand, has delivered as much as they could do. Why punish ESO? It just its mind boggling how these decisions get made and we're not even making these decisions on the same planet. The game base is here and they're out in space somewhere doing things we don't want.