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SUPRISE ! People dont like VENGEANCE
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reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
No.
ZOS keeps removing GH from the game to force people into vengeance almost nobody wants to play. Even with this years MYM ZOS refused to add additional camps for the overflow from GH and Blackreach, which are pop locking well before most can get home from work to play.
The shameless shilling from the handful of vengeance advocates is highly transparent and not factually reflective of what's going on with ZOS trying to force vengeance on everyone at the expense of the PvP we bought the game to play.
It seems you only skimmed what I wrote on surface because my statement that Vengeance doesnt affect GreyHost only applied to optional Vengeance as extra campaign.
I didnt deny that removing GreyHost during tests affects players in GreyHost.
But replacing barrier-free Vengeance with a version that has final setboni affected players of Vengeance too in a negative way.
Adding more and more things from GreyHost to Vengeance until it becomes like GreyHost without the lag isnt done for the players that play Vengeance for absence of those things.
ZoS didnt refuse to add camps but added evergloam less than 24 hours after event start which doesnt get full so except for evergloam the MYM campaigns where really not needed.alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you [snip] or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
I no longer believe vengeance is being used to improve aspects of GH, as ZOS originally said was it's purpose. I don't know how anyone could believe this given how the last year of vengeance has played out. If it were, where are these improvements taking place and in what form?
I believe it's you and those still thinking vengeance is somehow going to be used to improve GH that are being naive and ignoring history. Either that or you see exactly where this is going and your just lobbying for GH to be shut down for some personal reason.
[edited to remove quote]BigPlays420 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
You are the only one blinded by hate. Vengeance players don’t ask to remove GreyHost and only defend their campaign from players declaring it empty to make ZOS remove it.
Vengeance as an additional campaign has no effect on GreyHost either.
Vengeance test with sets removed not just GH and BR but normal Vengeance too by replacing its ruleset, but unlike those from GreyHost and Blackreach Vengeance players didn’t get 3*campaign rewards like.
And if you want more MYM campaigns than ask for that rather than trying to remove Vengeance because removing Vengeance wont give you more regular campaigns automatically.
The server resources being used for vengeance could be used to improve performance in GH and raise the pop caps in GH.
Are you [snip] or do you seriously not know what Vengeance testing is doing?
Are you [snip] or do you seriously not understand that vengeance testing is testing to build vengeance from the ground up as a new cyrodiil campaign at the expense of their PvP player-base?
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Vengeance testing is rebuilding GreyHost from scratch.
ZoS adding Sets to Vengeance has shown that ZOS doesnt intent to keep Vengeance as a barrier-free version of Cyrodiil but add every feature from GreyHost to it.
The more they add to Vengeance the more similar to GreyHost Vengeance becomes until its just a less laggy GreyHost.
Nope. You do not have any understanding in the remotest sense about what ZOS' end game is for vengeance is.
If ZOS could or was doing what you're claiming they'd just fix GH and not mess around with vengeance going forward. If ZOS can't fix normal live Cyrodiil they can't build a new system up from scratch without all the same problems.
Edited by reazea on August 10, 2026 8:17PM2 -
reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
Netfs stemming from GH directly affect the rest of the game. That cannot be said of Vengeance.
The PvE players ARE NOT victims of the PvP community. If anything it's the other way around. ZOS caters to the PvE players as if they're the only customers who matter. Vengeance is for the PvE players. Those of us who PvP are looking at a queue of 50 in Blackreach and 130 in GH as I type this, else I would be in game playing.
Where in the post you replied to did the writer call PvE players victims of the PvP community? It is a fact that GreyHost nerfs affect rest of the game because it uses same system as rest of the game while Vengeance nerfs only affect Vengeance.
And fighting other players is PvP and not PvE no matter if you use templates or farmed builds.
You didnt mention queue in Evergloam so Vengeance haters should be able to PvP there.
In your post you've also attempted to make the case that PvE players of victims of the PvP community. The tired straw man argument that PvE suffers from nerfs due to gear over performing in PvP doesn't work. Sets are nerfed because they are OP. It's just that most PvE players don't understand how to get the same level of performance out of their builds that the PvP players know how to get, so the OP nature of sets don't show up as much in PvE.
I didn‘t call PvErs victims of PvP in my post either.
Nor did I blame PvP for every nerf not proven to be for PvE like many PvE players do.
If you deny that a nerf to an overperforming set or skill in GH affects PvE than either the sets or skills available in GH cant be the same as the ones available in PvE or were never used by a single player in PvE.
Or you claim no set or skill ever got nerfed because of PvP.
We know GreyHost doesnt have own skills like Vengeance and ultimate regen of corrosive wasnt removed because Skill overperformed in PvP
Sets that are overperforming in PvP are often not overperforming in PvE.
So if a set gets nerfed for being OP despite underperforming in PvE, PvE probably wasn’t the reason for nerf.
Endgame PvE players definitely understand how to get maximal performance but the best PvE build and the best PvP build aren’t the same.
You just reiterated your case as to how PvE is a victim of nerfs as a result of PvP.
Anything that's OP in PvP is OP in PvE too. I can't think of a single example where this wasn't the case. And most of the end game PvE players are also competitive PvP players....those few that are left after U35 anyway.0 -
CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
Netfs stemming from GH directly affect the rest of the game. That cannot be said of Vengeance.
The PvE players ARE NOT victims of the PvP community. If anything it's the other way around. ZOS caters to the PvE players as if they're the only customers who matter. Vengeance is for the PvE players. Those of us who PvP are looking at a queue of 50 in Blackreach and 130 in GH as I type this, else I would be in game playing.
I did 170 BG in a row yesterday thanks to people like you. With my overly nerfed Warden. Ruined its Ultimates, ruined Arctic Wind, it's Class Mastery, it's Scribing. You are not PvP. You are Build vs. Build. If it kills you, you ask for it to be nerfed until you don't die anymore. Dividing the player base is the only way you can keep splashing around in your small pond. And its coming to an end. 10 more years of this? And end of service date. It doesn't matter what sets I run on my Warden, it's the absolute bottom of the barrel. I saw multiple DKs yesterday with the Blue Betty and Hearth on. Subclassing is the problem! This all started in U46. It needs to go.Edited by CatalinaWineMixer2 on August 10, 2026 11:53PM0 -
reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
Netfs stemming from GH directly affect the rest of the game. That cannot be said of Vengeance.
The PvE players ARE NOT victims of the PvP community. If anything it's the other way around. ZOS caters to the PvE players as if they're the only customers who matter. Vengeance is for the PvE players. Those of us who PvP are looking at a queue of 50 in Blackreach and 130 in GH as I type this, else I would be in game playing.
I did 170 BG in a row yesterday thanks to people like you. With my overly nerfed Warden. Ruined its Ultimates, ruined Arctic Wind, it's Class Mastery, it's Scribing. You are not PvP. You are Build vs. Build. If it kills you, you ask for it to be nerfed until you don't die anymore. Dividing the player base is the only way you can keep splashing around in your small pond. And its coming to an end. 10 more years of this? And end of service date. It doesn't matter what sets I run on my Warden, it's the absolute bottom of the barrel. I saw multiple DKs yesterday with the Blue Betty and Hearth on. Subclassing is the problem! This all started in U46. It needs to go.
It's not possible to do 170 BG's in a 24 hour time period.
The rest of your claims are equally factually accurate.0 -
LadyGP✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Really want to go on a heater here about Vengeance, no coms from Zeni about it, zero acknowledgment about the player frustration with Vengeance, the extreme dislike for it, etc etc but it will get me banned.
TLDR: There is a very clear disconnect from inside the studio to the community. It's clear people in the studio love vengeance and fail to see or even understand their own game and what players love about GH.
Vengeance is PVPs version of U35 and they are heading right through the same door again.
Lessons learned, nah, hold my beer.Edited by LadyGP on August 11, 2026 1:25PMLadyGP/xCatGuy
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moderatelyfatman✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »alternatelder wrote: »Lmao instead of adding other campaigns like usual for MYM, they did not open them this time.
This is totally not to force people into vengeance
And it’s STILL EMPTY😂
Seems like a few having fun there thought
Still probably the same amount in there as one bar in GH, but you V haters don't understand that because it doesn't make sense to you, or you're so blinded by hate for something that has zero effect on you. Saw plenty of people in there yesterday and MYM wasn't even active. 🤷
Why are you so blinded by hate from real PvP? GH existing has zero effect on you. Can't say the same about vengeance not impacting GH, so it's reasonable for people to take issue with vengeance for several reasons.
Netfs stemming from GH directly affect the rest of the game. That cannot be said of Vengeance.
The PvE players ARE NOT victims of the PvP community. If anything it's the other way around. ZOS caters to the PvE players as if they're the only customers who matter. Vengeance is for the PvE players. Those of us who PvP are looking at a queue of 50 in Blackreach and 130 in GH as I type this, else I would be in game playing.
I did 170 BG in a row yesterday thanks to people like you. With my overly nerfed Warden. Ruined its Ultimates, ruined Arctic Wind, it's Class Mastery, it's Scribing. You are not PvP. You are Build vs. Build. If it kills you, you ask for it to be nerfed until you don't die anymore. Dividing the player base is the only way you can keep splashing around in your small pond. And its coming to an end. 10 more years of this? And end of service date. It doesn't matter what sets I run on my Warden, it's the absolute bottom of the barrel. I saw multiple DKs yesterday with the Blue Betty and Hearth on. Subclassing is the problem! This all started in U46. It needs to go.
It's not possible to do 170 BG's in a 24 hour time period.
The rest of your claims are equally factually accurate.
I you count the number of times you wait and then get dropped from the queue, then you can do 170 BGs in 24 hours easily!
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xMauiWaui✭✭✭✭✭GH (no mind the name) is the vanilla pvp etablished since begin and the reason why a lot of people bought that game.
The fact they REFUSE to actively work on it to be improved but instead trying to FORCE us into a new system by removing gh for „tests“ is scandalous.
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Didnt Zos sayd they can just not fix the issue on GH with performance? I mean i quess after 12 years the budget with the Game will not be that high and the most will go into other projects.
With the complex system of eso, with all the people got fired, with the small Team they get, i dont think they would be able to get a good Performance while they include more Stuff like Class reworking.
I mean if they dont have the Money and Worker to get a good PVP performance on a Game and the only option they found was to splitt PVE and PVP and do a less complex system to get more player and performance on PVP, i quess it would not be the badest idea to have another maybee 10 years PVP.
I mean i get you all, im absolut not against GH and Procs, i just loved it. But the same thing is, as the Game startet, the most Hype on Videos was just the Vanilla 100of Players fighting each other. First Months with the amount of Player was indeed the best thing on eso i got, 100 of Players everywhere fighting around Keeps etc. After first Updated they reduced everytime more Players and now we got big Queues while we play 100 vs 100 vs 100 ? Sry dont know the actual cap.
So i quess they gonna get 2 option if they do more updates, more rework with less Devman and less money:
Reduce more Player on GH
or Vengance
But let us see, maybee im total wrong
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LadyGP✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GH (no mind the name) is the vanilla pvp etablished since begin and the reason why a lot of people bought that game.
The fact they REFUSE to actively work on it to be improved but instead trying to FORCE us into a new system by removing gh for „tests“ is scandalous.
[edited to remove quote]
Didnt Zos sayd they can just not fix the issue on GH with performance? I mean i quess after 12 years the budget with the Game will not be that high and the most will go into other projects.
With the complex system of eso, with all the people got fired, with the small Team they get, i dont think they would be able to get a good Performance while they include more Stuff like Class reworking.
I mean if they dont have the Money and Worker to get a good PVP performance on a Game and the only option they found was to splitt PVE and PVP and do a less complex system to get more player and performance on PVP, i quess it would not be the badest idea to have another maybee 10 years PVP.
I mean i get you all, im absolut not against GH and Procs, i just loved it. But the same thing is, as the Game startet, the most Hype on Videos was just the Vanilla 100of Players fighting each other. First Months with the amount of Player was indeed the best thing on eso i got, 100 of Players everywhere fighting around Keeps etc. After first Updated they reduced everytime more Players and now we got big Queues while we play 100 vs 100 vs 100 ? Sry dont know the actual cap.
So i quess they gonna get 2 option if they do more updates, more rework with less Devman and less money:
Reduce more Player on GH
or Vengance
But let us see, maybee im total wrong
They had ~ 450 devs and near infinite money during peak covid funding/union era.
Their studio is now back to the numbers they had during their most successful time in the studios history of ESO.
The NPC dialogue of "no devs no money" is exhausting. Stop making excuses.
- xCatGuyEdited by LadyGP on August 11, 2026 3:46PMLadyGP/xCatGuy
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