The whole dynamic encounter experience was off putting for me and clearly for many others. I really don’t think this can wait until U51 for an adjustment (not that it’s even clear we are getting an adjustment in drop rates). They need to hot fix this ASAP. If that’s not possible then they need to at least come out with a clear statement of how this is going to be addressed.

The OP feels as the OP feels on this, but I have very hard time wrapping my head around the idea that chasing down a single item is the totality of the game experience. TBF, no one has ever accused me of being anywhere close to meta, so getting the perfect gear for any given build is not an activity which holds more than passing interest. If it drops, it drops, and one or two shots per session is about all the grind I can muster before reaching the point of "there are other things I could be doing that are much more enjoyable." There was that time I farmed Titanclaw for a few hours for that piece of Oakensoul, though, so I'm not completely above such stuff, but that experience strongly contributed to the current outlook.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

they noted that next update they are going to be increasing the drop rate for that gem

for me its still difficult even figuring out when the events are up cause its so long between them and when you load into a fresh instance you have no idea how long on timer for it

I also saw them say somewhere that they were going to shorten the time between DEs to 15 minutes.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

they noted that next update they are going to be increasing the drop rate for that gem

for me its still difficult even figuring out when the events are up cause its so long between them and when you load into a fresh instance you have no idea how long on timer for it

I hadn’t seen anywhere here that the gem was being fixed, but I hope that is the case.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/697062/sneak-preview-at-some-pts-u51-items

i like the game a lot in general, but i don't know, every so often they stuff it with something that's so impossible to get. the leads for the new armory station ... let's take that as a better example ... they didn't drop very easily; however, they did eventually drop and i was able to get all the leads in an afternoon ... maybe a long afternoon ... and now i have the furnishing. it's like, ok, they didn't drop like candy, they took some work, but the work paid off. i can't believe how many DEs i did yesterday. a whole day's worth. and i kept thinking 'well it's gonna drop soon, don't give up or you'll lose all your effort'. in the end i had to give up, and i was rather furious about it. they are adjusting drop rates, but i just don't trust this system. i can't see how they didn't know beforehand that the drop rate was so abysmal and that it was going to cause players to run these DEs over and over and over again ... unless perhaps that's what they had in mind? they were certainly busy events, but in my mind, i kept thinking that the reason they were busy was because everyone's trying to get the same impossible thing i'm trying to get, and thus it's all a bit ... sad

and i don't even want this mythic!

i was better today, just did one of each DE, did some dailies, logged off. i go through ebbs and flows with eso, sometimes i want to play it all day, sometimes just minimal because i want to play something else. but in the last few days, i've been wanting to play it a lot. NOT ANYMORE!

Oceanchanter wrote: »

With all those departure announcement threads you'd think the forum is an airport.

airports have arrivals too. never heard of one that only has departures. lol the ZOS ESO International Airport -- departures only! haha

you're reading a lot about people wanting to leave the game ... or in my case, not leave but take a break -- i'm not leaving and this is NOT a good-bye post ... b/c zos implemented bad content. some of us want to farm these items. you can do whatever you want. but i've run for example ossein cage dozens of times because 1) i love it and 2) i wanted to collect everything from it. but in the ossein cage example, everything's 'gettable' you know what i mean? your attitude is very casual ... seemingly so, and that's fine. i'm casual too sometimes. and then sometimes i want something and i'm willing to put effort into getting it. and then you learn that zos f'ed up. and after that whole big thing they did about wanting to respect players' time. that's what this is about

Luneca wrote: »

I will tell you the honest truth. I've learned to never farm too hard in a game for anything.

i don't usually farm very hard, but i thought hmm, let's give it a try. but it got out of hand. so, no more of that. i'll just do the 1st one of the day for all 3, then move on. i might wait around for an extra one if i'm queued for bg, but no more all-day'ers. for anything. and just to say ... this mythic upgrade shouldn't take all day to farm, nothing should, but zos f'ed up the drop rate

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

they noted that next update they are going to be increasing the drop rate for that gem

for me its still difficult even figuring out when the events are up cause its so long between them and when you load into a fresh instance you have no idea how long on timer for it

I also saw them say somewhere that they were going to shorten the time between DEs to 15 minutes.

that still wouldnt help figuring out when they were active

if you login and load into a zone instance and the DE is not up, there is 0 way to tell how soon until its next active

it could anywhere from 30 sec to 15 minutes till the start depending on when the last one went down, and if its the latter, i dont want to wait around that long for it

i wouldnt even mind if they just put a timer into the API so someone could make an addon that can tell you how long it is until the DE is active again when you load into the zone if people dont want the info provided on the map (if they wanted to play more vanilla)

We wait for world bosses, we wait for delve bosses, etc, without knowing how long the wait time is. ZoS said they were reducing the wait time as a quick fix and they would continue to look into what else could be done. They've acknowledged the issue since many players have made it clear how unacceptable this is to them as a player. /shrug

Aislinna wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

We wait for world bosses, we wait for delve bosses, etc, without knowing how long the wait time is.

that's a good point, but for me, it's the abysmal drop rate on the mythic upgrade

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

they noted that next update they are going to be increasing the drop rate for that gem

for me its still difficult even figuring out when the events are up cause its so long between them and when you load into a fresh instance you have no idea how long on timer for it

I also saw them say somewhere that they were going to shorten the time between DEs to 15 minutes.

that still wouldnt help figuring out when they were active

if you login and load into a zone instance and the DE is not up, there is 0 way to tell how soon until its next active

it could anywhere from 30 sec to 15 minutes till the start depending on when the last one went down, and if its the latter, i dont want to wait around that long for it

i wouldnt even mind if they just put a timer into the API so someone could make an addon that can tell you how long it is until the DE is active again when you load into the zone if people dont want the info provided on the map (if they wanted to play more vanilla)

I honestly cannot fathom the logic behind having players get frustrated, especially when the rewards suck as badly as they do. The only logical explanation is that it's just there to force engagement. But this is not the way to do it.

Players should want to play, not feel that they have to. At the point that we are feeling that we have to play or do X activity, how is it any different from a job? And the thing is, we are the ones that pay ZOS, not the other way around.

And despite the cuts and loss of players, it seems ZOS still has not come to understand the relationship that they have with we, the player, is that they should be placating us; we should not be begging them for bad systems to be made better.

Day 1 when people complained we should have had a response and a fix to the issue by now. And that's actually how it would work in most other games that understand that the player is the boss.

Of course you cannot always make all players happy, but logically speaking, who honestly thinks that the current system and its design for dynamic encounters is any good?

ZOS could have picked anyone that hasn't played the game in a while and had them give their opinion about it. I can tell you from all of my friends that returned and my brother, they think that Dynamic Encounters is a extremely bad system that does not respect their time and an insult.

How the designers of this system did not come to the same conclusion is baffling. But it could always be that this system was actually incomplete and rushed, and the cuts negatively affected the implementation of it.

Regardless of the reason, the system goes against player choice and interests and that alone makes it a terrible addition to the game that needed adjustment yesterday.

And again, this is on the backdrop of their different content model that has so far not provided a large portion of players what they have imagined.

I am sure the metrics are not improving with this direction they are going this year, which seems to have missed the mark multiple times. And there's only two or three shots left.

Your quitting ESO because you cannot get an upgrade gem for that thief mythic?

If it any consolation, that mythic is useless.

I did the mistake of trying to hurrry my grind. Making most of my grinding when the gem or the recipe didn´t even drop. Adding to that misery was I didn´t get any keys either. After so many encounters I slowed down and accepted that it can take longer to get the wanted drops. I did them once a day. One lucky day I got the recipe and gem. Ended there. Funnily, I don´t even use the recipe for food or the mythic for now.

Just adding that they aren´t going anywhere. Take your time without the stress of burn down.

A nowhere key just dropped from a dynamic encounter...but STILL no gem after 100+... thats how bad my rng is...

Aislinna wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

they noted that next update they are going to be increasing the drop rate for that gem

for me its still difficult even figuring out when the events are up cause its so long between them and when you load into a fresh instance you have no idea how long on timer for it

I also saw them say somewhere that they were going to shorten the time between DEs to 15 minutes.

that still wouldnt help figuring out when they were active

if you login and load into a zone instance and the DE is not up, there is 0 way to tell how soon until its next active

it could anywhere from 30 sec to 15 minutes till the start depending on when the last one went down, and if its the latter, i dont want to wait around that long for it

i wouldnt even mind if they just put a timer into the API so someone could make an addon that can tell you how long it is until the DE is active again when you load into the zone if people dont want the info provided on the map (if they wanted to play more vanilla)

We wait for world bosses, we wait for delve bosses, etc, without knowing how long the wait time is. ZoS said they were reducing the wait time as a quick fix and they would continue to look into what else could be done. They've acknowledged the issue since many players have made it clear how unacceptable this is to them as a player. /shrug

We only wait 5 minutes for world bosses and delve bosses.

Agree I use a Nightblade for thieves activity can open lock boxes doe heists etc invisibly no use for the gem except the achievement. Did the stonefalls one with only 6 players and still did not get the gem, So not wasting my time anymore