Is there anybody got full endeavor of nowhere keys?

AvalonRanger · July 23

"Is there anybody got full endeavor of nowhere keys?"

Feel like too much hard for me.

msgeek · July 23

I'm on 8/10. I've got 2 toons on 16/20 of the favours and think i'll get another 6 keys from those two when they hit 20 so yea... not having too much of an issue with it.

More reliable sources would be nice though, bulk were from favours, which has questionable value in re-running once the 20 are complete... Maybe just to help with the antiquity codex...

SeaGtGruff · July 23

I think there might be a bug with the guaranteed drops from your 10th Favors for each noble.

Note that I didn't start all 3 Favors on the same day, but sort of staggered them:

- 1 Favor (Glenumbra) on the 1st day
- 2 Favors (Glenumbra and Auridon) on the 2nd day
- 3 Favors (Glenumbra, Auridon, and Stonefalls) on the 3rd day

Then I've been doing all 3 each day since then.

I also didn't start as soon as the update went live, but waited several days before doing my first Favor. By the way, that's on PCNA; it was slightly different on PCEU, like 1 Favor, 2 Favors, 2 Favors, and 3 Favors.

Anyway, yesterday I did my 10th Favor in Glenumbra, 9th in Auridon, and 8th in Stonefalls, so I got 1 key. However, I think the count on the seasonal challenge went from 0 keys to 3 keys, as though it counted my 1 key 3 times.

Today I did my 11th Favor in Glenumbra, 10th in Auridon, and 9th in Stonefalls, so I got 1 more key, making 2 in all. However, the count on the seasonal challenge now reads 6/10, as though it counted the new key 3 times.

I'm thinking that when I get another key tomorrow for doing my 10th Favor in Stonefalls, the key may once again be counted 3 times, but we'll see. I need to double-check my archived correspondence to verify the number of Favors I've done for each noble, in case my memory is playing tricks on me. But what I'm thinking is that maybe the system sort of assumes you're doing all 3 Favors each day, so when you get a key for doing your 10th Favor for one of the nobles, it counts 3 times as if you had just done 10 Favors for all 3 nobles, even if that wasn't actually the case. But my theory might very well be based on a false assumption, which is why I need to double-check my correspondence-- and also pay very close attention to the counts before and acter doing my 10th Favor in Stonefalls.

AzuraFan · July 23

I haven't received a single key outside the three I've gotten by completing the 10th favour for each quest giver. Apparently a dev said the drop rate isn't supposed to be bad, but for me, the keys are ultra-rare. Not a single drop, even though I've been doing many thief activities and dynamic events since the season started.

metheglyn · July 23

Seems to me the counter for the keys is bugged somehow. I found one key in a thieves' trove a couple of days ago, but yesterday I noticed the counter said I had found four. I haven't. I have just the one.

Whatever their source, and however the counter decides to tabulate them, they are very rare.

allochthons · July 23

I have 4, 3 from Favors, 1 from a Dynamic Encounter.
I'm really hoping that the miserly drop rate right now is a "it's great if you get some before, but the drop rates will be normalized to decent when the Nowhere Vault launches."
Here's hoping.

SeaGtGruff · July 23

My theory turned out to be wrong, but I think I see what's happening.

It looks like the seasonal challenge counts a key if you put it in your bank and then withdraw it later, as if you just "collected" another key even though you'd already collected it.

There might also be something similar going on if you mark a key as "junk" and then unmark it-- something I like to do with a lot of consumable or miscellaneous items that I find, such as recipes or maps, as a way to temporarily put them on one tab so it's easier to keep track of them for putting in the bank and having each of my alts check the bank to see if there's anything for them to withdraw and store like a "mule" or consume and learn.

metheglyn · July 23

Well, I did put the one key I found in my bank, but I never withdrew it afterwards, so how the count went from one to four is still a bit of a mystery to me. I did check to see that I actually just had the one when I noticed the count had gone up, but I didn't interact with the key. Maybe just looking at it alters the reality of it. That would be some kind of key.

AvalonRanger · July 24

What does it mean "favour" in those mission actually?

NeoniKa · July 24

I think that the Nowhere Keys might be blocked on some accounts. I've been trying everything, I tried all suggestions I found online and even asked for help on IA for the first time. Nothing work. All suggested ways failed in my account. I'm stuck with zero keys and out of ideas on how to do that insanely unfair challenge.

I don't mind to never get a Nowhere Keys, I don't really care. But at least don't force it on impossible challenges that we can't even re-roll.

NeoniKa · July 24

AzuraFan wrote: »

I haven't received a single key outside the three I've gotten by completing the 10th favour for each quest giver. Apparently a dev said the drop rate isn't supposed to be bad, but for me, the keys are ultra-rare. Not a single drop, even though I've been doing many thief activities and dynamic events since the season started.

That also doesn't work on all accounts. I'm going to try now 20 favors on each, but 10 on each gave me zero keys.

meekmiko · July 25

Get at least one key from Favors, put in bank, take out of bank, repeat a few times and boom you're done.

MidniteOwl1913 · July 25

I haven't gotten a single one despite gringing chest, troves and boxes. I am also doing favors.

It's been a lot of wasted time with nothing to show for it.

Recent · August 2

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

My theory turned out to be wrong, but I think I see what's happening.

It looks like the seasonal challenge counts a key if you put it in your bank and then withdraw it later, as if you just "collected" another key even though you'd already collected it.

There might also be something similar going on if you mark a key as "junk" and then unmark it-- something I like to do with a lot of consumable or miscellaneous items that I find, such as recipes or maps, as a way to temporarily put them on one tab so it's easier to keep track of them for putting in the bank and having each of my alts check the bank to see if there's anything for them to withdraw and store like a "mule" or consume and learn.

Off topic, this is an interesting system you have for sorting items like recipes, maps etc. I wish to adopt this system.

SeaGtGruff · August 2

Recent wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

My theory turned out to be wrong, but I think I see what's happening.

It looks like the seasonal challenge counts a key if you put it in your bank and then withdraw it later, as if you just "collected" another key even though you'd already collected it.

There might also be something similar going on if you mark a key as "junk" and then unmark it-- something I like to do with a lot of consumable or miscellaneous items that I find, such as recipes or maps, as a way to temporarily put them on one tab so it's easier to keep track of them for putting in the bank and having each of my alts check the bank to see if there's anything for them to withdraw and store like a "mule" or consume and learn.

Off topic, this is an interesting system you have for sorting items like recipes, maps etc. I wish to adopt this system.

Yes, I find it to be very helpful for consolidating any items in my inventory that I plan to deposit in the bank. In my case, that includes a great many things which would otherwise be scattered among various other tabs, so marking them as "junk" saves me the trouble of having to go to each tab and scroll through it to search for everything I want to bank.

Of course, there is the danger of accidentally selling everything marked as "junk" with a single click, but I have never sold my "junk" that way, so I didn't need to "untrain" myself of that habit-- although I've come close to doing it by accident a few times!