Shock focus for throwing knife

madmufffin · July 16

I am once again asking for shock script (and realistically flame as well) to be added as focus scripts for throwing knife. Mag sorc has needed a real spammable for pve for pretty much its entire existence and the fact that scribing for whatever reason denied it access to that with knife is just weird. The class already has the weakest elemental type buff of any class and you can't even properly make use of it with the most prevalent endgame pve scribing skill. I don't think it's a tall ask and gives mag sorc a little bit of love that it's been lacking for a long time.

Turtle_Bot · July 16

Shock damage in general needs an insane amount of love in this game.

No payoff skill
1 spammable (wield soul specifically)
Minimal class synergies (storm calling and that's it)
1 buff (sorc 5% passive), 0 debuffs
Minimal good sets that aren't heavy attack locked

It's just sad how unloved Shock damage is in ESO.

madmufffin · July 16

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Shock damage in general needs an insane amount of love in this game.

No payoff skill
1 spammable (wield soul specifically)
Minimal class synergies (storm calling and that's it)
1 buff (sorc 5% passive), 0 debuffs
Minimal good sets that aren't heavy attack locked

It's just sad how unloved Shock damage is in ESO.

I've long been banging the drum about sorc's passive being buffed coupled with the ele specific sets in the game not being unusable garbage, but unfortunately too many people seem to be traumatized by sorc in pvp to ever allow anything good to happen to the class. At least giving sorc something like warden has with concussed being boosted would be greatly appreciated (along with shock knife

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Luneca · July 16

No. A shocking dagger hitting me while I am on siege in PvP would be too shocking.

ESO_Nightingale · July 18

Shock dmg definitely needs some proper love. Heres hoping the sorcerer rework gives you guys what you need.

Turtle_Bot · July 18

madmufffin wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Shock damage in general needs an insane amount of love in this game.

No payoff skill
1 spammable (wield soul specifically)
Minimal class synergies (storm calling and that's it)
1 buff (sorc 5% passive), 0 debuffs
Minimal good sets that aren't heavy attack locked

It's just sad how unloved Shock damage is in ESO.

I've long been banging the drum about sorc's passive being buffed coupled with the ele specific sets in the game not being unusable garbage, but unfortunately too many people seem to be traumatized by sorc in pvp to ever allow anything good to happen to the class. At least giving sorc something like warden has with concussed being boosted would be greatly appreciated (along with shock knife )

At this point, I would settle for having enough actually functional abilities (and sets) just to be able to make a fully functional build, but it would be nice to finally see passives/synergies for concussed and shock damage itself added to Sorcs passives beyond just the +5% increase.

Also, yeah, there's definitely an insane amount of unfounded PTSD and bias (especially from many who comment here on the forums) due to very specific Sorc builds (none of which have been actual shock damage builds) being too strong in PvP in the past.

I'm just hoping ZOS can address this for Sorcs refresh (and hopefully the lightning destro staff skills at the same time) and not just take the lazy/easy path of buffing the already strong builds (max mag, and stam proc stacking) Sorc currently has.

Turtle_Bot · July 18

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Shock dmg definitely needs some proper love. Heres hoping the sorcerer rework gives you guys what you need.

I'm hopeful it will turn out that way, but still very concerned that it's extremely likely it won't due to how the text described Sorcerer in ZOS's class description image at the start of this year. It read as though ZOS was basically going to phase out shock damage entirely and focus Sorc on "dark magic and pacts"... That's what Arcanist is for if they want to focus on pacts with daedra (Hermaous Mora) or dark magic (Runes), ZOS doesn't need to also force Sorcerer into that theme as well.

The most frustrating part of all this is that ZOS has been completely silent on this issue the entire time, despite the numerous threads, comments and posts regarding the state of Shock damage in this game. Not even a peep from the usually informative @ZOS_Kevin on if the team will take this into consideration when they look to rework Sorcerer (which I'm assuming work will be starting any week now, if not already, with Warden and U51 set to go to PTS by the end of the month)

ESO_Nightingale · July 18

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Shock dmg definitely needs some proper love. Heres hoping the sorcerer rework gives you guys what you need.

I'm hopeful it will turn out that way, but still very concerned that it's extremely likely it won't due to how the text described Sorcerer in ZOS's class description image at the start of this year. It read as though ZOS was basically going to phase out shock damage entirely and focus Sorc on "dark magic and pacts"... That's what Arcanist is for if they want to focus on pacts with daedra (Hermaous Mora) or dark magic (Runes), ZOS doesn't need to also force Sorcerer into that theme as well.

The most frustrating part of all this is that ZOS has been completely silent on this issue the entire time, despite the numerous threads, comments and posts regarding the state of Shock damage in this game. Not even a peep from the usually informative @ZOS_Kevin on if the team will take this into consideration when they look to rework Sorcerer (which I'm assuming work will be starting any week now, if not already, with Warden and U51 set to go to PTS by the end of the month)

I dont see shock going away on sorc. If anything id love to see all magic damage removed on sorcerer and replaced with shock or physical damage. I think itd be interesting if sorc could apply sundered or concussed and also apply the other one at the same time. With a cooldown of like 1s. That would be cool power fantasy.

YandereGirlfriend · July 18

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

madmufffin · July 19

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Shock damage in general needs an insane amount of love in this game.

No payoff skill
1 spammable (wield soul specifically)
Minimal class synergies (storm calling and that's it)
1 buff (sorc 5% passive), 0 debuffs
Minimal good sets that aren't heavy attack locked

It's just sad how unloved Shock damage is in ESO.

I've long been banging the drum about sorc's passive being buffed coupled with the ele specific sets in the game not being unusable garbage, but unfortunately too many people seem to be traumatized by sorc in pvp to ever allow anything good to happen to the class. At least giving sorc something like warden has with concussed being boosted would be greatly appreciated (along with shock knife )

At this point, I would settle for having enough actually functional abilities (and sets) just to be able to make a fully functional build, but it would be nice to finally see passives/synergies for concussed and shock damage itself added to Sorcs passives beyond just the +5% increase.

Also, yeah, there's definitely an insane amount of unfounded PTSD and bias (especially from many who comment here on the forums) due to very specific Sorc builds (none of which have been actual shock damage builds) being too strong in PvP in the past.

I'm just hoping ZOS can address this for Sorcs refresh (and hopefully the lightning destro staff skills at the same time) and not just take the lazy/easy path of buffing the already strong builds (max mag, and stam proc stacking) Sorc currently has.

Yeah I feel like sorc being a pvp bully has always been just burst builds with proc sets and streak or when phys sorc is way overtuned. Shock has been dead for so long that I don't see why it can't just get some love to see what happens.

madmufffin · July 19

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Shock dmg definitely needs some proper love. Heres hoping the sorcerer rework gives you guys what you need.

I'm hopeful it will turn out that way, but still very concerned that it's extremely likely it won't due to how the text described Sorcerer in ZOS's class description image at the start of this year. It read as though ZOS was basically going to phase out shock damage entirely and focus Sorc on "dark magic and pacts"... That's what Arcanist is for if they want to focus on pacts with daedra (Hermaous Mora) or dark magic (Runes), ZOS doesn't need to also force Sorcerer into that theme as well.

The most frustrating part of all this is that ZOS has been completely silent on this issue the entire time, despite the numerous threads, comments and posts regarding the state of Shock damage in this game. Not even a peep from the usually informative @ZOS_Kevin on if the team will take this into consideration when they look to rework Sorcerer (which I'm assuming work will be starting any week now, if not already, with Warden and U51 set to go to PTS by the end of the month)

Taking away an ele damage class and not moving it elsewhere would be extremely upsetting, especially since they've already committed to it with the monolith IA set.

madmufffin · July 19

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Shock dmg definitely needs some proper love. Heres hoping the sorcerer rework gives you guys what you need.

I'm hopeful it will turn out that way, but still very concerned that it's extremely likely it won't due to how the text described Sorcerer in ZOS's class description image at the start of this year. It read as though ZOS was basically going to phase out shock damage entirely and focus Sorc on "dark magic and pacts"... That's what Arcanist is for if they want to focus on pacts with daedra (Hermaous Mora) or dark magic (Runes), ZOS doesn't need to also force Sorcerer into that theme as well.

The most frustrating part of all this is that ZOS has been completely silent on this issue the entire time, despite the numerous threads, comments and posts regarding the state of Shock damage in this game. Not even a peep from the usually informative @ZOS_Kevin on if the team will take this into consideration when they look to rework Sorcerer (which I'm assuming work will be starting any week now, if not already, with Warden and U51 set to go to PTS by the end of the month)

I dont see shock going away on sorc. If anything id love to see all magic damage removed on sorcerer and replaced with shock or physical damage. I think itd be interesting if sorc could apply sundered or concussed and also apply the other one at the same time. With a cooldown of like 1s. That would be cool power fantasy.

There's so many directions they can go with it and should go with it, but we'll probably just get some more cc and weird pvp oriented niche spells. Maybe even some more pets even though they've done everything possible to deter you from using pets the last 3 years.

madmufffin · July 19

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

This is my main complaint. Somehow we get frost, phys, mag, poison, and BLEED on everything but miss two of the core elemental damage types? That just doesn't make sense.

ESO_Nightingale · July 19

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

This

ESO_Nightingale · July 19

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

This is my main complaint. Somehow we get frost, phys, mag, poison, and BLEED on everything but miss two of the core elemental damage types? That just doesn't make sense.

We got all the frost stuff because we complained about it at the time it launched. I remember we only had chilling contingency and chilling explosion at launch.

madmufffin · July 20

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

This is my main complaint. Somehow we get frost, phys, mag, poison, and BLEED on everything but miss two of the core elemental damage types? That just doesn't make sense.

We got all the frost stuff because we complained about it at the time it launched. I remember we only had chilling contingency and chilling explosion at launch.

That would've been diabolical. How could I play magden without my chilling knife

Speaking of which, they need to update the dual wield passive still to reduce mag cost too. That stuff be a resource ouchy

ESO_Nightingale · July 20

madmufffin wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I'm glad that Frost was permuted through basically all of the Scribing abilities (in response to the hew and cry from FrostDens) but it does feel quite bad that the other elements were completely left out.

There is literally zero compelling reason why every damage type should not be available on every Scribing ability.

This is my main complaint. Somehow we get frost, phys, mag, poison, and BLEED on everything but miss two of the core elemental damage types? That just doesn't make sense.

We got all the frost stuff because we complained about it at the time it launched. I remember we only had chilling contingency and chilling explosion at launch.

That would've been diabolical. How could I play magden without my chilling knife Speaking of which, they need to update the dual wield passive still to reduce mag cost too. That stuff be a resource ouchy

Big true.

Jabbs_Giggity · July 31

madmufffin wrote: »

I am once again asking for shock script (and realistically flame as well) to be added as focus scripts for throwing knife. Mag sorc has needed a real spammable for pve for pretty much its entire existence and the fact that scribing for whatever reason denied it access to that with knife is just weird. The class already has the weakest elemental type buff of any class and you can't even properly make use of it with the most prevalent endgame pve scribing skill. I don't think it's a tall ask and gives mag sorc a little bit of love that it's been lacking for a long time.

Agree, but doesn't Sorc get bonus for shock damage AND physical damage??
Run physical or multi target knife, get Sundered for minor resistance debuff and 300 wd....

Turtle_Bot · July 31

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

madmufffin wrote: »

I am once again asking for shock script (and realistically flame as well) to be added as focus scripts for throwing knife. Mag sorc has needed a real spammable for pve for pretty much its entire existence and the fact that scribing for whatever reason denied it access to that with knife is just weird. The class already has the weakest elemental type buff of any class and you can't even properly make use of it with the most prevalent endgame pve scribing skill. I don't think it's a tall ask and gives mag sorc a little bit of love that it's been lacking for a long time.

Agree, but doesn't Sorc get bonus for shock damage AND physical damage??
Run physical or multi target knife, get Sundered for minor resistance debuff and 300 wd....

But that's the whole issue this thread is raising, it's not just about this specific passive (which is also giga under tuned compared to DK passives for flame/burning and warden passives for frost/chilled), but shock damage in general across the whole of ESO has been severely neglected for over a decade now and it's long overdue that ZOS did something about it.

To give an example.

There's plenty of options already for a physical damage spammable:
Scribing skills (3) - Wield Soul, Travelling Knife, Shield Throw
Weapon skills (4) - Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Flurry, Power Slam
World skills (2) - Silver Bolts, Crushing Weapon
Class skills (3) - Biting Jabs, Surprise Attack, Crystal Weapon (even though CW is typically used for burst, it can technically be used like a spammable when weaving)
That's 12 spammables in the game to choose from that deal Physical damage.

Compare this to Shock damage:
Scribing skills - Wield Soul
Weapon skills - technically Force Shock (but this is a tri-element spammable not pure shock damage, so I'll only half count it)
World skills - none
Class skills - none
That's a grand whopping total of 1.5 spammables across the entire game that deal shock damage.

I don't think it's too much to ask that ZOS actually does something to throw a small bone to a damage type/theme that has been neglected worse (and longer) than Necro.