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Please sell me on Sheogorath

Glorious_Platypus
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Listen, I don't try to be a contrarian. It's not like I'm out here saying, intentionally, against my own true self, that I don't like something just because everyone else loves it. Okay? But the "Mad god" is one of those things. I just cannot understand it. For as long back as I can remember, EVERYONE has liked this character in this series.

Well, not as far back as I can remember, because I don't think he was even in Morrowind (my first TES game, I'm a morro boomer), and if he was I don't remember it. I do remember Oblivion and, yeah, I didn't like it then either.

I don't like "Whimsical" characters because they are usually annoying. I especially don't like it when they have power. He is the most terrifying daedric lord, I think, and he's not even cool! It all started with that stupid wabbajack... thing. It made no sense. It didn't have to make sense. And it not making sense, is why it was perfect for him! And I didn't care that it didn't have to make sense, because to me, I was better than that, and I deserved a daedric lord that made sense in my elder scrolls games.

Anyway, that of course carried over the years and I still don't like this guy. Every time I come across a Sheogorath quest in ESO I just groan. I hate it. I truly truly do. I skip dialogue. I know, I know... blasphemy... but I do. Maybe I shouldn't. I dunno.

Why do you like him? If you do.
  • SilverBride
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    The butterflies. <3
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  • DragonRacer
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    I like butterflies and cheese, so we have common interests. Delivery of his lines amuses me at times, such gravitas for the inane.

    I also enjoy whimsy. He is equal parts terrifying and innocent wonder. Madness made incarnate. Kinda gives me “Dogma” vibes, in all honesty.
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  • Wishingstaff
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    More cheese please.
    I agree, this lord is a royal pain. He’s not even funny.
  • BretonMage
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    I don't like him either, but I don't need to be sold on him. Have faith in your convictions! To me, he's just annoying, and has been since the beginning, but his ubiquity has made him unbearable.
  • Ordinator199
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    Listen, I don't try to be a contrarian. It's not like I'm out here saying, intentionally, against my own true self, that I don't like something just because everyone else loves it. Okay? But the "Mad god" is one of those things. I just cannot understand it. For as long back as I can remember, EVERYONE has liked this character in this series.

    Well, not as far back as I can remember, because I don't think he was even in Morrowind (my first TES game, I'm a morro boomer), and if he was I don't remember it. I do remember Oblivion and, yeah, I didn't like it then either.

    I don't like "Whimsical" characters because they are usually annoying. I especially don't like it when they have power. He is the most terrifying daedric lord, I think, and he's not even cool! It all started with that stupid wabbajack... thing. It made no sense. It didn't have to make sense. And it not making sense, is why it was perfect for him! And I didn't care that it didn't have to make sense, because to me, I was better than that, and I deserved a daedric lord that made sense in my elder scrolls games.

    Anyway, that of course carried over the years and I still don't like this guy. Every time I come across a Sheogorath quest in ESO I just groan. I hate it. I truly truly do. I skip dialogue. I know, I know... blasphemy... but I do. Maybe I shouldn't. I dunno.

    Why do you like him? If you do.

    He was in Morrowind as well
  • Sotha_Sil
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    Sheo alone is not that interesting. I think part of Sheo's charm is that he rules a complex and bizarre realm, the Shivering Isles. But somehow ZOS has forgotten that part, where has it gone?
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  • Umbracat449
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    Rather have him than the stupid spider deadra chick.

    Gods of madness and casual destruction are an ok idea, I don't mind that. So long as it's clever and not just random silly ending in death.
    Edited by Umbracat449 on July 28, 2026 9:34AM
  • Usureki
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    Uncle Sheo kinda reminds me how to take it easy.

    Considering my complaining posts on this forum he has some work to do.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Something something 'Uncle Sheo' something something Shivering Isles so good...

    I started disliking Sheogorath from Skyrim and ESO really put nails in that coffin for me with the zone quest and Mages Guild.
    Edited by IZZEFlameLash on July 28, 2026 9:44AM
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  • YffresTrill
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    There is nothing to like. He is a schoolyard bully with godlike powers. He exists to be infuriating.
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  • FlameDark
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    Okay so I'm kinda on both sides of the fence of the love hate relationship with this character. I will say that the Oblivion DLC, The Shivering Isles, really did a great job showing his character and his realm. It had a lot of hilarious NPCs such as: the guy you had to push off the wall who doesnt want to see his own death coming, the argonian that if you say the wrong thing to her she will start shouting no no no repeatedly and then run around the town in circles while making nininini noises, the khajiit who loves dogs and the only dog in the city is owned by a orc who is deathly terrified of khajiit, the guy who is crouching around because he's terrified of the buildings collapsing on him.

    The quests were interesting, fun, and you got to see a lot more of his realm and character then the repeat punchlines ESO likes to throw in your face. I found it interesting that you got to see Sheogoraths lines become less humorous and even points of seriousness and sanity start to emerge as he draws closer into becoming Jyggalag. It was a great story. You actually wanted to explore the Isles to see what absurd quest or item you can find (if you go to the same spot where Sheogorath drops you from the sky to kill you for trying to attack him, you'll find a pile of bodies with notes on the absurd reasons they were executed). In the actual story you see him as a tragic mad god with unimaginable powers but with the mental capacity of a child, forever locked in his own prison of his own making and doomed to destroy his own realm repeatedly, only gaining sanity long enough to amplify his punishment.

    However... ESO has taken the popularity of that story and REALLY beat it to death, took all the substance from it and made it hollow. We have heard the same cheese jokes, the same humor, and the same story over and over again. To the point that I really don't want anything to do with the character either. If I have to hear the same butterfly cheese joke again I'm just quitting... It's like they refuse to add to the character and just insist on vomiting up old content. It was neat seeing him the first time after Oblivion. Now it's just cringe inducing...

    He was in Morrowind as well

    Do not get me started on that rage inducing quest! He tells you to kill the bull netch with the Fork of Horripilation, which only does 1 HP of damage and the bull netches in TES III were brutal! It took me hours to kill this thing. Only to find out I didn't need to damage it just with the fork, I just needed to make sure the fork was the last thing that damaged it...
    Edited by FlameDark on July 28, 2026 10:27AM
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  • Hapexamendios
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    Convince me to convince you.
  • Trier_Sero
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    Skyrim was my first tes game and I really liked sheo's quest there. In oblivion he was more on an annoying side and in eso he was kinda ok.
  • tomofhyrule
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    I hate Sheogorath.

    He’s the prime example of a character who could have been interesting once upon a time, but his personality was completely replaced by a one-dimensional joke because of sledgehammer writing and the desire to keep moving in the direction of a single joke because some people found it funny. After all, if something is funny once, it will definitely be more funny if we bash people over the head with that joke and give them nothing else, right?

    Sheo was in Morrowind, but his existence amounted to three quests: you needed to deal with the minion he summoned to bother Azura’s priestess, you made him an offerring for a Temple quest, and then the only one where you interacted with him directly was him telling you to kill a netch with a fork for the lulz (and then he inexplicably gave you Hircine’s artifact). That was it.
    He was even in Daggerfall, where he would randomly pop up on the wrong summoning day and task you with killing a mage in a dungeon while saying a bunch of non-sequiturs. Again, that was about it.

    Guess what though: cheese was not involved or mentioned. That came from Oblivion’s quest, and it wasn’t even the point. You just had one step in that quest where you had to steal stinky cheese and put it in a pot to draw a bunch of rats to a town (before they poisoned the rats and then you had to kill the sheep before Sheo made flaming dogs rain from the sky). But since then, they were like “omg cheese is so funny!”

    I hated Shivering Isles. It was really where we went from “Prince of Madness” to “Prince of omg so random and funny!” and it really took away from the character. That was where Sheogorath essentially became the Alice in Wonderland expy he is today, and that really meant dropping (or at least severely minimizing) the dark sides of Madness in general. It’s the same way a lot of media with DC’s Joker is more about the clown part and his murderous side is sanitized under fifty layers of joking: It’s more corporate-friendly to not talk about him as a psycho and then people love to think of him instead as a joke. One which I think ran its course about 20 years ago.

    Unfortunately, I seem to be in the minority here. It seems Shivering Isles was the template for “how to write Sheogorath in the future,” and that just meant leaning into everything harder and harder.

    Skyrim’s and ESO’s initial version were both at minimum forgettable, in that you could do their quest and then move on. But then he popped up in Cyrodiil (offerring Malacath’s artifact for some reason) and shouts at you every time you walk by. And now they’re shoving him back in again - a whole story that you know is going to be 90% cheese and lame jokes.

    I had to roll my eyes when they first announced “Sheogorath” as a feature for 2026. I hate him. I hate that he’s the “easy” way to make a joke. I hate that his personality is shallower than most of the returning characters we’ve had in ESO on their second pass. But I’m sure there are people who are like “oh boy, my favorite character is back! Cheese cheese cheese cheese cheese!”

    2026 as a whole was not made for me personally. I only want two things from ESO: new Group Dungeons and new Classes, but I’m getting neither (and seemingly ESO will not be making either of those ever again…)
  • AcadianPaladin
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    My elf has a hateful history with both Sheo and Hermie Mora dating back to about 2007 in TES IV. One is a dweeb and the other is simply disgusting. She had to hold her nose to quickly go through all the 'apocraphobia' green slimy stuff of last year and will doubtless have to do the same with the coming Sheo stuff.
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  • Jamie_Aubrey
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    CHEESE!!!
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  • anadandy
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    BretonMage wrote: »
    I don't like him either, but I don't need to be sold on him. Have faith in your convictions! To me, he's just annoying, and has been since the beginning, but his ubiquity has made him unbearable.

    Preach.

    (Dislaimer: To each their own I'm glad people who like him are getting content.)
  • SerafinaWaterstar
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    I’m not keen on Sheo, but his quest in Elsweyr is disturbing, in that it shows the nasty & cruel side of his nature, and less of the butterflies & cheese.

    I like that he makes me feel ‘icky’ and uncertain; it seems appropriate.
  • CAB_Life
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    He’s always been a bit campy and annoying in ESO. No threat whatsoever for a supposed Daedric prince of madness.
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    He's had moments of comedy and cruelty, but overall they lean way too hard on things like cheese.

    I want to look in Sheo's eyes, see the cosmos, and be driven mad. Or deal with cruel tricks that ask for impossible choices. I don't want to hear about cheese or him taking a vacation. It's just not funny, entertaining, or appropriate for how the character was established. And just like Mora, I feel like they soften the edges on these Daedric Princes. I want them to be vile. That's the point of them. And I think they're too commonplace. The punch of having Daedric experiences is lessened because of it.
  • Zallion
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    Sheos dialogue could be written with ai and nobody would feel the difference
  • AzuraFan
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    He started out interesting, but he's been used too often and he's become a bit of a joke. That's why more and more players are fed up of him.

    With so many Daedric princes to choose from, I really hope this is the last time Sheogorath is featured. Given what's happening with the studio, I understand why they went to him (they can use existing assets), but after this, I hope to never see him again except for his quest in the SP TES games.
  • Ei8htba11
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    A complex character with duality that is sadly wasted to sideline quips, cheese and a fork.. and the wabberjack. With proper writing the whole shivering isles could become something truly horrific in ESO.

    The concept to me is good, poorly executed.

    (just need to vent, the whole Ithilia questline could have been a little more ambiguous, not just 'she bad because the squid said so'. Their roles overlapped somewhat, I feel we could have been given a choice, but I digress.. apologies)

    TLDR: The game needs more complex and morally ambiguous stories where the character feels like they have an actual impact, not just following breadcrumbs. That's Sheo.. I want to like him but keep getting disappointed
  • Gabriel_H
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    Depends which Sheo they give us.

    His appearance in TESIII is iconic. He's cold and emotionless. His madness is beyond human comprehension. His actions are unpredictable to the point they can drive you insane.

    The later iterations turned him into "Uncle Sheo". His madness is just over the top theatrics. His actions are a mix of bad comedy and trolling, and he's obsessed with cheese, though with a streak of malice. Bethesda overplayed this in Skyrim - the doubled down on what the fans liked to the point it was saturating and off putting and turning him into a court jester rather than the most dangerous of the Daedric Princes. /sadge
  • Gagoimaliu
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    When you play through the Mage's Guild questline, Sheo actually keeps up his end of the bargain (as much as a Daedric Prince can be trusted) Sure, he doesn't just hand you Eyevea with no problems, but at the end of the day, he does give you all the books, and when you have to choose at the end, he doesn't try to trick you, he just accepts your decision and leaves

    Which is weird, because one of Sheogorath's titles is literally The TRICKSTER

    But I did actually like how he just accepts your decision and leaves, that was very chill of him
  • Sallymen
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    This may not be a sale but rather my own opinion but if you want a good characterization of Sheogorath, it has to be his own daedric shrine quest in TES:4 Oblivion

    Im not talking about his shivering isle expansion, I mean his actual daedric shrine quest. Sheogorath works well if he is not whimsical but scary. There is no comfort in his madness, only chaos and insanity. And in that questline, he gaslights an entire community that the end times are coming and that village falls into complete madness.

    The Shivering Isle DLC, Skyrim, and ESO quests sort of butcher him by dialing his whimsical nature as your "crazy uncle".
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  • AScarlato
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    Madness in the hands of talented writers can be an exquisite thing. Just look at Macbeth.

    When it's reduced to cheese, not so much.
    Edited by AScarlato on July 28, 2026 5:14PM
  • Tallon_IV
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    You mean you don't like hearing the same cheese joke a million times? :D
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  • prof-dracko
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    I may be remembering wrong, but even in the SI Oblivion questline isn't cheese only mentioned once as well? "Cheese for Everyone"? How did that become his trademark? It was only mentioned once in his Skyrim quest, too: "Cheese, to die for". It was ESO and the modding scene that can be blamed almost entirely for the cheese obsession.
  • tsaescishoeshiner
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    Have you done the Mages Guild questline in ESO? Sheogorath is a character, but he serves the quest's plot that brings out what people will do for power, the fragile tensions underlying the alliances, and lead you to a difficult choice to make.

    As a character I find him interesting, I think he's not as "wacky for wackiness' sake" as they try to market him as. But a good Sheogorath quest highlights the other characters and their complexities.
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