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Item Set Testing in Vengeance
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HatchetHaro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So I had quite a bit of fun with Vengeance in this test period, though no thanks to the Dark Convergence spam I've been seeing (which was getting old by hour three).
I had some very major issues in a fight for Chalman Keep a couple of days ago with some very choppy framerates and also very buggy audio. I've also encountered some low framerates in some really big fights, which I suppose was to be expected but I can't help but wonder if it's a GPU load thing. The rest of the time I've spent in there was fine.
One thing I enjoyed was that the final item set bonuses added some power back in where Vengeance has lacked for a while now. The higher damage resulted in faster combat, and so while still slower-paced than GH, it was still more enjoyable than the previous iteration of Vengeance. I have a feeling this power can simply just be added via the existing Perks system by boosting the values of the Perks twofold or so, because honestly, those were a bit of a letdown with how little impact they actually had on combat.
The lack of ball groups and bombers was nice, very nice. However, I can't help but think that those comps and builds just haven't been fully theorycrafted yet, and further iterations of Vengeance with item sets may bring those back.Best Argonian NA and I will fight anyone for it
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7x IR, 7x GH, 8x TTT, 5x GS, 6x DB, 1x PB, 4x SBS, 1x MM, 1x US, 2x CB, 1x Unchained0 -
Four_Fingers✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, for those of us that have been around since the beginning, remember the infamous "lighting patch" where the home brewed anti cheat started all the problems.3 -
Maitsukas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Everyone can calm down now as GH and BR are back:
PC-EU @maitsukas
Posting the Infinite Archive and Imperial City Weekly Vendor updates.
Also trying out new Main Quests, Companions, ToT decks, Events and Styles on PTS.3 -
johnjetau✭✭✭✭
Apparently it may just be a visual big showing the sets are still active.
Can we get a confirmation on this.1 -
aetherix8✭✭✭✭✭
Apparently it may just be a visual big showing the sets are still active.
Can we get a confirmation on this.
Sets are disabled. I just tested the ones I used during this test; they don't work. That they aren't redded out like they used to be is a sign of things to come, IMHO.
There was a lot of positive feedback in the zone chat; most players still prefer GH with its full customization, but many found Vengeance to be a lot more fun with item sets. I think now that adding gear to this ruleset is a question of when rather than if, but sets as they are cause some serious balance issues. Not many players were able to find broken combinations of skills and sets in Vengeance, but some most definitely did manage it.
ZOS, you have a unique opportunity with Vengeance to finally balance PvP and PvE separately and, by doing so, to create a truly competitive PvP environment. Vengeance should have its own versions of item sets just like it has its own simplified abilities. Perhaps they should be accessible based on the sticker book, so players who spent hundreds of hours farming sets don't feel like their investment was for nothing.
Overall, Vengeance can be much more fun if item sets are simplified so they don't affect performance, like they did during this test, and if they are properly balanced.
PC EU - V4hn1
If you care about the future of ESO PvP, then help the devs test their ideas on how to improve it.4 -
TheAwesomeChimpanzee✭✭✭✭✭
Apparently it may just be a visual big showing the sets are still active.
Can we get a confirmation on this.
Because these are not performance tests, they’re beta testing vengeance. If they shut Gray Host down again for more testing I truly fear for the end game PvP community and the future of this game.TO THE PVP COMMUNITY: OUR ABSENCE IS FEEDBACK. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE JULY 20TH VENGEANCE TESTS.1 -
Stamicka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The performance during this test was pretty poor for me. There was also way too much confusion about what sets would work.
Overall, I don’t think this test has any positives outside of showing that sets are indeed a big part of the lag.
The overall gameplay wasn’t fun to me at all. I’d much rather have simplified Vengeance sets + complex abilities vs having complex sets with simple abilities. This recent test just felt like a worse and more boring version of Grey Host.PC NA and Xbox NA2 -
RedMamba✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin so when will be getting the performance results from all these tests and timeline for changes to Gray Host then improve the bad performance during primetime when ball groups get on? That was the plan all along right?0 -
LarsS✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin so when will be getting the performance results from all these tests and timeline for changes to Gray Host then improve the bad performance during primetime when ball groups get on? That was the plan all along right?
When they introduced Vengeance they stated that they cant fix Gray Host.
GM for The Daggerfall Authority EU PC2 -
RedMamba✭✭✭@ZOS_Kevin so when will be getting the performance results from all these tests and timeline for changes to Gray Host then improve the bad performance during primetime when ball groups get on? That was the plan all along right?
When they introduced Vengeance they stated that they cant fix Gray Host.
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quickblade418✭✭✭
10 am and already more populated than entire test of Vengeance for a week.....
Lol so wrong , each bar are total different value from greyhost and vengeancem vengeance 2 bars = greyhost pop locked bars...NA PC
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- Ishkashi - Magplar
- Orchish - Stamplar
- Amerikan Knight - Stam DK
- Déàth - Mag DK
- Psychic Venom - Mag NB
- Made in Quebec - Stam NB
- Death'inately not Dëäth - Stamden
DC
- Dëàth - Mag DK
- Death-îsh - Magden
AD
- Lìfe - Magden
- Déäth - Mag DK5 -
quickblade418✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »
Vengeance had more population than greyhost will ever have, and all of that with less lag...NA PC
EP
- Ishkashi - Magplar
- Orchish - Stamplar
- Amerikan Knight - Stam DK
- Déàth - Mag DK
- Psychic Venom - Mag NB
- Made in Quebec - Stam NB
- Death'inately not Dëäth - Stamden
DC
- Dëàth - Mag DK
- Death-îsh - Magden
AD
- Lìfe - Magden
- Déäth - Mag DK11 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭quickblade418 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »
Vengeance had more population than greyhost will ever have, and all of that with less lag...
I understand you may be new to the game or don't understand how some things in the game work. but when you forcefully close GH and BR and give double AP to the ONLY campaign available and it still doesn't reach population cap, you have a problem. I logged in multiple days in a row to 1-1-1 population all across during the test with everything else shut. Give GH double AP during midyear and not only it, but a bunch of other alt campaigns will also be pop locked even during off hours. You are not engaging with reality.2 -
quickblade418✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »quickblade418 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »
Vengeance had more population than greyhost will ever have, and all of that with less lag...
I understand you may be new to the game or don't understand how some things in the game work. but when you forcefully close GH and BR and give double AP to the ONLY campaign available and it still doesn't reach population cap, you have a problem. I logged in multiple days in a row to 1-1-1 population all across during the test with everything else shut. Give GH double AP during midyear and not only it, but a bunch of other alt campaigns will also be pop locked even during off hours. You are not engaging with reality.
That's the thing you don't understand quite well still.
1 bar in vengeance means there is anywhere between 1 and 149 players, so 1 bar can still be more players than greyhost.
2 bars in vengeance means it reach 150 players , 3 bars it reach 225 and 4 bars or pop lock means it reach 300NA PC
EP
- Ishkashi - Magplar
- Orchish - Stamplar
- Amerikan Knight - Stam DK
- Déàth - Mag DK
- Psychic Venom - Mag NB
- Made in Quebec - Stam NB
- Death'inately not Dëäth - Stamden
DC
- Dëàth - Mag DK
- Death-îsh - Magden
AD
- Lìfe - Magden
- Déäth - Mag DK2 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭quickblade418 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »quickblade418 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »
Vengeance had more population than greyhost will ever have, and all of that with less lag...
I understand you may be new to the game or don't understand how some things in the game work. but when you forcefully close GH and BR and give double AP to the ONLY campaign available and it still doesn't reach population cap, you have a problem. I logged in multiple days in a row to 1-1-1 population all across during the test with everything else shut. Give GH double AP during midyear and not only it, but a bunch of other alt campaigns will also be pop locked even during off hours. You are not engaging with reality.
That's the thing you don't understand quite well still.
1 bar in vengeance means there is anywhere between 1 and 149 players, so 1 bar can still be more players than greyhost.
2 bars in vengeance means it reach 150 players , 3 bars it reach 225 and 4 bars or pop lock means it reach 300
Again, it is something you don't understand, please don't project your lack of knowledge onto me, I am aware of what each bar represents. Can you try reading what I posted and actually responding to it with something of value rather than stating something completely unrelated? Thanks.2 -
ceruulean✭✭✭✭(PCNA) EP was poplocked on Friday, July 24 2026, 9:34 PM EST
Edited by ceruulean on July 27, 2026 6:27PM1 -
blktauna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ON PC EU we routinely get 2 bars across the board in Vengence so more people there. But it doesn't really matter. The people who enjoy the Vengence ruleset do not enjoy the GH ruleset and that's fine. That why there are different opportunities. GH is not the be all and end all. They are not the final arbiters of what is real. Please enjoy what you like but stop trying to neg other people doing what they want.Edited by blktauna on July 27, 2026 6:32PMPCNA
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quickblade418✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »quickblade418 wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »
Vengeance had more population than greyhost will ever have, and all of that with less lag...
... I logged in multiple days in a row to 1-1-1 population all across during the test with everything else shut. Give GH double AP during midyear and not only it, but a bunch of other alt campaigns will also be pop locked even during off hours. You are not engaging with reality.
You compare here a vengeance 1-1-1 to bragging about greyhost reaching pop lock, what exactly are you trying to mean here, maybe I have to repeat myself and tell you that 1 bar in vengeance may be more players than greyhost. or is that not related to what you just said now ?
NA PC
EP
- Ishkashi - Magplar
- Orchish - Stamplar
- Amerikan Knight - Stam DK
- Déàth - Mag DK
- Psychic Venom - Mag NB
- Made in Quebec - Stam NB
- Death'inately not Dëäth - Stamden
DC
- Dëàth - Mag DK
- Death-îsh - Magden
AD
- Lìfe - Magden
- Déäth - Mag DK1 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭ON PC EU we routinely get 2 bars across the board in Vengence so more people there. But it doesn't really matter. The people who enjoy the Vengence ruleset do not enjoy the GH ruleset and that's fine. That why there are different opprotunities. GH is not the be all and end all. They are not the final arbiters of what is real. Please enjoy what you like but stop trying to neg other people doing what they want.
This is the only server it is true for, every other server has vengeance at 1-1-1 almost the entire time outside of tests. If you enjoy it play it, nobody cares, we only care when GH is closed because of it and people come on here to virtue signal and state false things about how it's so much higher population all the time yet people who actively play on it on other servers complain about how low the population is.0 -
blktauna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »ON PC EU we routinely get 2 bars across the board in Vengence so more people there. But it doesn't really matter. The people who enjoy the Vengence ruleset do not enjoy the GH ruleset and that's fine. That why there are different opprotunities. GH is not the be all and end all. They are not the final arbiters of what is real. Please enjoy what you like but stop trying to neg other people doing what they want.
This is the only server it is true for, every other server has vengeance at 1-1-1 almost the entire time outside of tests. If you enjoy it play it, nobody cares, we only care when GH is closed because of it and people come on here to virtue signal and state false things about how it's so much higher population all the time yet people who actively play on it on other servers complain about how low the population is.
When I play primetime on PCNA there is also one or 2 factions on 2 bars. That is not empty. I can't speak to console but I'm old those are not and have not be very active for a long time.
Again, the people who play Vengence are not generally interested in being facerolled in GH and wouldn't be there anyway so no one is taking numbers from GH.PCNA
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NovelliESO✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »ON PC EU we routinely get 2 bars across the board in Vengence so more people there. But it doesn't really matter. The people who enjoy the Vengence ruleset do not enjoy the GH ruleset and that's fine. That why there are different opprotunities. GH is not the be all and end all. They are not the final arbiters of what is real. Please enjoy what you like but stop trying to neg other people doing what they want.
This is the only server it is true for, every other server has vengeance at 1-1-1 almost the entire time outside of tests. If you enjoy it play it, nobody cares, we only care when GH is closed because of it and people come on here to virtue signal and state false things about how it's so much higher population all the time yet people who actively play on it on other servers complain about how low the population is.
When I play primetime on PCNA there is also one or 2 factions on 2 bars. That is not empty. I can't speak to console but I'm old those are not and have not be very active for a long time.
Again, the people who play Vengence are not generally interested in being facerolled in GH and wouldn't be there anyway so no one is taking numbers from GH.
Nobody is taking numbers from GH, never said that, nobody in this thread has. Every single person in this thread has voiced the same problem multiple times, how is it that such is the case yet you come to the conclusion you do? The issue is GH being shut down completely for testing that more people do not want, than do.1 -
SneaK✭✭✭✭✭
✭NovelliESO wrote: »ON PC EU we routinely get 2 bars across the board in Vengence so more people there. But it doesn't really matter. The people who enjoy the Vengence ruleset do not enjoy the GH ruleset and that's fine. That why there are different opprotunities. GH is not the be all and end all. They are not the final arbiters of what is real. Please enjoy what you like but stop trying to neg other people doing what they want.
This is the only server it is true for, every other server has vengeance at 1-1-1 almost the entire time outside of tests. If you enjoy it play it, nobody cares, we only care when GH is closed because of it and people come on here to virtue signal and state false things about how it's so much higher population all the time yet people who actively play on it on other servers complain about how low the population is.
When I play primetime on PCNA there is also one or 2 factions on 2 bars. That is not empty. I can't speak to console but I'm old those are not and have not be very active for a long time.
Again, the people who play Vengence are not generally interested in being facerolled in GH and wouldn't be there anyway so no one is taking numbers from GH.
Never seen a single bar filled in Vengeance on Xbox."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations2 -
blktauna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »Nobody is taking numbers from GH, never said that, nobody in this thread has. Every single person in this thread has voiced the same problem multiple times, how is it that such is the case yet you come to the conclusion you do? The issue is GH being shut down completely for testing that more people do not want, than do.
More people by what reckoning?Edited by blktauna on July 27, 2026 9:12PMPCNA
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NovelliESO✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »Nobody is taking numbers from GH, never said that, nobody in this thread has. Every single person in this thread has voiced the same problem multiple times, how is it that such is the case yet you come to the conclusion you do? The issue is GH being shut down completely for testing that more people do not want, than do.
More people by what reckoning?
This thing called objective fact.0 -
blktauna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Nobody is taking numbers from GH, never said that, nobody in this thread has. Every single person in this thread has voiced the same problem multiple times, how is it that such is the case yet you come to the conclusion you do? The issue is GH being shut down completely for testing that more people do not want, than do.
More people by what reckoning?
This thing called objective fact.
receipts pleasePCNA
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NovelliESO✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »Nobody is taking numbers from GH, never said that, nobody in this thread has. Every single person in this thread has voiced the same problem multiple times, how is it that such is the case yet you come to the conclusion you do? The issue is GH being shut down completely for testing that more people do not want, than do.
More people by what reckoning?
This thing called objective fact.
receipts please
Open your eyes and look at the population that is literally always available.1
