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"Just wait your turn", "it's not broken"
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gammelscroll✭✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »Jessica Folsom confirmed on Reddit that class reworks are still moving on as planned.
Nice. Now we can look forward to eso crying forum about how OP everything is after rework. Next will be warden crying1 -
Militan1404✭✭✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »Jessica Folsom confirmed on Reddit that class reworks are still moving on as planned.
For real? Thats fantastic, gives me some hope back2 -
X94✭✭dk update has made players like chase think they're pros at the game so they get offended when people suggest it's because their class is completely broken, we all know the type scared little girls running in groups exclusively with other dks, sorcs or what ever is currently broken and trying to bait people into running around rocks and towers all day and then sending hate whispers when they die, they are pathetic and suck at the game.
They will all switch game or go back to PvE if they have to play on equal terms.5 -
hoangdz✭✭✭✭✭dk update has made players like chase think they're pros at the game so they get offended when people suggest it's because their class is completely broken, we all know the type scared little girls running in groups exclusively with other dks, sorcs or what ever is currently broken and trying to bait people into running around rocks and towers all day and then sending hate whispers when they die, they are pathetic and suck at the game.
They will all switch game or go back to PvE if they have to play on equal terms.
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hoangdz✭✭✭✭✭dk update has made players like chase think they're pros at the game so they get offended when people suggest it's because their class is completely broken, we all know the type scared little girls running in groups exclusively with other dks, sorcs or what ever is currently broken and trying to bait people into running around rocks and towers all day and then sending hate whispers when they die, they are pathetic and suck at the game.
They will all switch game or go back to PvE if they have to play on equal terms.
But yea on a real note, DK is carrying a lot of people in PvP. But here on the forums, all you have is your knowledge of class balance, so when people speak out and blatantly defend a broken skill when it's clearly been proven otherwise, you just know that they are either extremely biased or actually not that great at PvP at all lol.3 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭
✭gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:47AM2 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
[edited for flaming & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:48AM0 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭
✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:50AM4 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:50AM5 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:51AM0 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
Nice, you see an alternate universe than PC NA and PC EU. But it still doesn't change what the majority are seeing. And that's a severe lack of any of those classes in Cyrodiil outside a ball or faction stack.
And arcanist beam skill ? That's a literally "pls attack me" signal. If someone is getting taken out by arcanist's beam, that's literally being outplayed...
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:51AM0 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
Nice, you see an alternate universe than PC NA and PC EU. But it still doesn't change what the majority are seeing. And that's a severe lack of any of those classes in Cyrodiil outside a ball or faction stack.
And arcanist beam skill ? That's a literally "pls attack me" signal. If someone is getting taken out by arcanist's beam, that's literally being outplayed...
Nah, i play on ps5 EU and there's only like 3 necros playing in cyro (among the regulars), one is now a sorc ww and yesterday I saw the other one playing a DK.
We of course also have 0 offensive templars or arcanist, just a few healbots.
Every mid player is now running DK and making build videos with the most bland build possible thinking he suddenly became good
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 17, 2026 10:52AM1 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
Nice, you see an alternate universe than PC NA and PC EU. But it still doesn't change what the majority are seeing. And that's a severe lack of any of those classes in Cyrodiil outside a ball or faction stack.
And arcanist beam skill ? That's a literally "pls attack me" signal. If someone is getting taken out by arcanist's beam, that's literally being outplayed...
Nah, i play on ps5 EU and there's only like 3 necros playing in cyro (among the regulars), one is now a sorc ww and yesterday I saw the other one playing a DK.
We of course also have 0 offensive templars or arcanist, just a few healbots.
Every mid player is now running DK and making build videos with the most bland build possible thinking he suddenly became good
[edited to remove quote]
I play offensive Templar.
Edited by gammelscroll on July 17, 2026 1:02PM0 -
Major_Mangle✭✭✭✭✭
✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
[edited to remove quote]
You kinda lost me when you put lancer + pariah and "decent damage" in the same sentence ngl. You can reach ok values with lancer in nocp/BG`s but it´s not gonna be enough to kill better players (which is what really matters tbh, pug stomping has zero value in any balance discussion).
And honestly....who runs pariah in 2026??? The set lost it´s use a loooooong time ago.Ps4 EU 2016-2020
PC/EU: 2020 -2 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
Nice, you see an alternate universe than PC NA and PC EU. But it still doesn't change what the majority are seeing. And that's a severe lack of any of those classes in Cyrodiil outside a ball or faction stack.
And arcanist beam skill ? That's a literally "pls attack me" signal. If someone is getting taken out by arcanist's beam, that's literally being outplayed...
Nah, i play on ps5 EU and there's only like 3 necros playing in cyro (among the regulars), one is now a sorc ww and yesterday I saw the other one playing a DK.
We of course also have 0 offensive templars or arcanist, just a few healbots.
Every mid player is now running DK and making build videos with the most bland build possible thinking he suddenly became good
[edited to remove quote]
I play offensive Templar.
1% of the time, or...?
Because you just said elsewhere you played WW and that WW can't stand up to DK. So...?0 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭Major_Mangle wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
[edited to remove quote]
You kinda lost me when you put lancer + pariah and "decent damage" in the same sentence ngl. You can reach ok values with lancer in nocp/BG`s but it´s not gonna be enough to kill better players (which is what really matters tbh, pug stomping has zero value in any balance discussion).
And honestly....who runs pariah in 2026??? The set lost it´s use a loooooong time ago.
Pariah is one of top 5.defence set in game. Pariah, maras balm, trail by fire, rallying cry is some of the best defence set in game0 -
Major_Mangle✭✭✭✭✭
✭gammelscroll wrote: »Major_Mangle wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
[edited to remove quote]
You kinda lost me when you put lancer + pariah and "decent damage" in the same sentence ngl. You can reach ok values with lancer in nocp/BG`s but it´s not gonna be enough to kill better players (which is what really matters tbh, pug stomping has zero value in any balance discussion).
And honestly....who runs pariah in 2026??? The set lost it´s use a loooooong time ago.
Pariah is one of top 5.defence set in game. Pariah, maras balm, trail by fire, rallying cry is some of the best defence set in game
Rallying cry and Mara´s I can understand people using (especially since Mara´s is super bugged for at least 2-3 patches and can heal for values in the 100k+ range when abused). But any max resistance set like pariah and Trial by Fire (which loses a bit of it´s value unless double barred, which comes with it´s own trade-offs) fell of the meta ages ago. Those sets were only really meta in no-proc Ravenwatch where people abused the armory station bug that allowed people to use a third 5 piece set without actually wearing it.
You´re better off picking a meta race like Breton if you want to improve the tankiness (especially since majority of the damage you receive isn´t physical) over sacrificing an entire 5 piece to mediocre defensive sets like pariah or trial by fire (which are only good on paper). If we also take the example of templar into consideration, you can´t afford running a defensive set like pariah or trial if you want to have any noteworthy damage on that class.Edited by Major_Mangle on July 17, 2026 5:20PMPs4 EU 2016-2020
PC/EU: 2020 -1 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭Major_Mangle wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Major_Mangle wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
[edited to remove quote]
You kinda lost me when you put lancer + pariah and "decent damage" in the same sentence ngl. You can reach ok values with lancer in nocp/BG`s but it´s not gonna be enough to kill better players (which is what really matters tbh, pug stomping has zero value in any balance discussion).
And honestly....who runs pariah in 2026??? The set lost it´s use a loooooong time ago.
Pariah is one of top 5.defence set in game. Pariah, maras balm, trail by fire, rallying cry is some of the best defence set in game
Rallying cry and Mara´s I can understand people using (especially since Mara´s is super bugged for at least 2-3 patches and can heal for values in the 100k+ range when abused). But any max resistance set like pariah and Trial by Fire (which loses a bit of it´s value unless double barred, which comes with it´s own trade-offs) fell of the meta ages ago. Those sets were only really meta in no-proc Ravenwatch where people abused the armory station bug that allowed people to use a third 5 piece set without actually wearing it.
You´re better off picking a meta race like Breton if you want to improve the tankiness (especially since majority of the damage you receive isn´t physical) over sacrificing an entire 5 piece to mediocre defensive sets like pariah or trial by fire (which are only good on paper). If we also take the example of templar into consideration, you can´t afford running a defensive set like pariah or trial if you want to have any noteworthy damage on that class.
I play Templar with pariah.Only class i have problems with is DK and shield stacking sorc. And pariah is so good in BGs0 -
gammelscroll✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
[snip]
Post the build
Not just post the build, we need them to demonstrate it. Like I said before, I have seen 0 offensive templars, necros, and arcanists on PC NA in Gray Host. Okay, maybe 1 ...but does that really count? No one is running these classes except for people looking for a challenge.
Also I don't count because I just fire siege anyway.
I see those classes all the time in cyrodil..ps5 eu. Unkillable Necros doing good dmg, stamplar with lancer set and pariah doing decent dmg.Arcanist i see in
In BGs all the time with their beam skill
Nice, you see an alternate universe than PC NA and PC EU. But it still doesn't change what the majority are seeing. And that's a severe lack of any of those classes in Cyrodiil outside a ball or faction stack.
And arcanist beam skill ? That's a literally "pls attack me" signal. If someone is getting taken out by arcanist's beam, that's literally being outplayed...
Nah, i play on ps5 EU and there's only like 3 necros playing in cyro (among the regulars), one is now a sorc ww and yesterday I saw the other one playing a DK.
We of course also have 0 offensive templars or arcanist, just a few healbots.
Every mid player is now running DK and making build videos with the most bland build possible thinking he suddenly became good
[edited to remove quote]
I play offensive Templar.
1% of the time, or...?
Because you just said elsewhere you played WW and that WW can't stand up to DK. So...?
Yes i play ww and Templar. Done it since 2016.
No class can stand up against a good well built DKEdited by gammelscroll on July 18, 2026 1:11PM0 -
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✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
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Can confirm that some necros are very formidable and difficult to fight against. One slip, you may just die. One EP and one DC players I've fought against had such build. Dunno if they will be more common but they did become quite the formidable class.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel1 -
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✭✭✭✭gammelscroll wrote: »The Uninvited wrote: »Jessica Folsom confirmed on Reddit that class reworks are still moving on as planned.
Nice. Now we can look forward to eso crying forum about how OP everything is after rework. Next will be warden crying
The issue rn is that 1 class and 1 well not class is well above the rest. Once we have more variety of op classes things will calm down.
Ofc the reworks should've never happened this way, ie staggered over years and reworked classes getting an insane power bump, but alas.1 -
ItsNotLiving✭✭✭✭✭Didn’t agree with this but now after so many months of sorc dk or die meta im in full agreement just nuke the sustain passive and core of flame from orbit and call it a day.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »gammelscroll wrote: »Well ZOS just got half its team laid off, so you can kiss goodbye to future class reworks. Either they will be super delayed or they may not be reworked at all. Time to spam nerf DK and WW threads.
[snip]nightbringer1993 wrote: »
Well if Necro is to remain unplayable, then I guess I should have left the game two years ago when stalking blastbone got removed.
Necro unplayable? Maybe its your build or skill issue?
Ive seen some necros going ham with an insane build in PvP. I bet those builds are top tier 3-4
Bro played 1 low mmr bg and saw one decent player doing well and now thinks Necro is a top tier class
It.is. [snip]
Who plays those garbage BG lol. Necro have some really good builds in cyrodil
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Can confirm that some necros are very formidable and difficult to fight against. One slip, you may just die. One EP and one DC players I've fought against had such build. Dunno if they will be more common but they did become quite the formidable class.
Someone had to stop firing siege and get revenge for the necros.0 -
Goregram1✭✭✭i dont think most people will wait for years like zos just postedThis is just a general rant.
Seeing the meta plays out like this isn't surprising at all. Historically, I and many PTS testers have accurately predicted several problematic changes that would result in toxic metas (Vateshraan proc, Hardened Ward change on Sorc, reworked DK, and now reworked WW just to name a few). It always happened exactly as anticipated. When the Hardened Ward buff made Sorc too strong on the PTS, my nerf-Ward threads were met with backlash, yet 3 months later people flooded the forums complaining this exact skill. When 2.0 DK rolled out on PTS, I again attempted to address the infinite sustain of Heart of Flame. People overwhelmingly disagreed with me, only to express distaste for the same issue 1 month later on the live server. Now comes WW, and we will see this pattern repeat.
PTS is there for a reason, and people like me are there to test these changes and provide feedback. Sure, anyone can say that a class is strong because it's just been reworked, but to pin-point exactly what the problem is requires theory-crafting knowledge and PvP experience. 2.0 DK does an insane amount of burst damage and is also extremely tanky, but their combo is predictable and their defense can be exploited. What actually enables them to reach an unprecedented power level is the god-tier sustain from Inhale. When a skill frees up an entire theory-crafting pillar, it allows you to allocate so much resources into other stats and really push it over the edge. HoF alone enables people to use Armor Pots instead of Tripots, drop Orzoga for Sugar Skulls, and drop Sustained By Suffering for a tanky CP like Juggernaut/Fortified/Boundless Vitality. They gain an insane amount of stats that a normal ability would never be able to replicate, and this can easily be proven by comparing stat difference between HoF and say, Netch or Rune Focus. A simple reduction to this ability's sustain would have largely resolved this issue. Likewise, WW is absurdly busted because of its unparalleled 1v1 pressure and infinite sustain, yet when its HP stays at a normal level (30-35k), you can actually one-shot it even if it takes a lot of effort. The correct adjustment would be to first tone down its HP-scaling heals.
But, some people aren't willing to accept this fact. They will openly and willingly go through mental hoops to convince themselves and others that these classes and skills are inherently balanced because they're "needed to counter other things". No, that is not how you balance games. Using the presence of an overperforming class/skill to justify keeping another overperforming one creates a vicious cycle of balance nightmare that's only going to drive away more players.
Perhaps what's most insulting is that some of these players have the audacity to tell other people that they "just have to be patient and wait their turn" and shut down any attempts to balance a revamped class. Sure, that's very easy to say if your main class is the first one to receive the rework. You're not spending 2 years waiting for a spot at the table. To say that to other fellow gamers, who have probably spent real-life money in this product, that they should just wait 1-2 years for their turn while being severely disadvantaged in PvP is spitting directly in their face. It's disingenuous, tone-deaf, and unacceptable. Surely enough, those players would be the first one to complain if their class wasn't reworked first but 1-2 years later instead.
i don't think most people will wait for years like zos just posted about
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hoangdz✭✭✭✭✭i dont think most people will wait for years like zos just postedThis is just a general rant.
Seeing the meta plays out like this isn't surprising at all. Historically, I and many PTS testers have accurately predicted several problematic changes that would result in toxic metas (Vateshraan proc, Hardened Ward change on Sorc, reworked DK, and now reworked WW just to name a few). It always happened exactly as anticipated. When the Hardened Ward buff made Sorc too strong on the PTS, my nerf-Ward threads were met with backlash, yet 3 months later people flooded the forums complaining this exact skill. When 2.0 DK rolled out on PTS, I again attempted to address the infinite sustain of Heart of Flame. People overwhelmingly disagreed with me, only to express distaste for the same issue 1 month later on the live server. Now comes WW, and we will see this pattern repeat.
PTS is there for a reason, and people like me are there to test these changes and provide feedback. Sure, anyone can say that a class is strong because it's just been reworked, but to pin-point exactly what the problem is requires theory-crafting knowledge and PvP experience. 2.0 DK does an insane amount of burst damage and is also extremely tanky, but their combo is predictable and their defense can be exploited. What actually enables them to reach an unprecedented power level is the god-tier sustain from Inhale. When a skill frees up an entire theory-crafting pillar, it allows you to allocate so much resources into other stats and really push it over the edge. HoF alone enables people to use Armor Pots instead of Tripots, drop Orzoga for Sugar Skulls, and drop Sustained By Suffering for a tanky CP like Juggernaut/Fortified/Boundless Vitality. They gain an insane amount of stats that a normal ability would never be able to replicate, and this can easily be proven by comparing stat difference between HoF and say, Netch or Rune Focus. A simple reduction to this ability's sustain would have largely resolved this issue. Likewise, WW is absurdly busted because of its unparalleled 1v1 pressure and infinite sustain, yet when its HP stays at a normal level (30-35k), you can actually one-shot it even if it takes a lot of effort. The correct adjustment would be to first tone down its HP-scaling heals.
But, some people aren't willing to accept this fact. They will openly and willingly go through mental hoops to convince themselves and others that these classes and skills are inherently balanced because they're "needed to counter other things". No, that is not how you balance games. Using the presence of an overperforming class/skill to justify keeping another overperforming one creates a vicious cycle of balance nightmare that's only going to drive away more players.
Perhaps what's most insulting is that some of these players have the audacity to tell other people that they "just have to be patient and wait their turn" and shut down any attempts to balance a revamped class. Sure, that's very easy to say if your main class is the first one to receive the rework. You're not spending 2 years waiting for a spot at the table. To say that to other fellow gamers, who have probably spent real-life money in this product, that they should just wait 1-2 years for their turn while being severely disadvantaged in PvP is spitting directly in their face. It's disingenuous, tone-deaf, and unacceptable. Surely enough, those players would be the first one to complain if their class wasn't reworked first but 1-2 years later instead.
i don't think most people will wait for years like zos just posted about
Exactly, like I said, people are too optimistic. I guess I’m right, againEdited by hoangdz on July 30, 2026 5:15PM1 -
Goregram1✭✭✭hears a link of what they posted https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/70213?linkId=1000004329455460
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Luneca✭✭✭✭✭hears a link of what they posted https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/70213?linkId=100000432945546
That's worse than thought tbh. Wow. I hope they buff siege. Seriously.1
