If you care about eso and zos dont make a bad situation worse
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JustLovely✭✭✭✭✭
✭JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.3 -
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✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/687450/cyrodiil-healing-nerf/p1
On the PTS: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 50% when you have 3 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
What made it to game: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 33% when you have 8 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.PC EU
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JustLovely✭✭✭✭✭
✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/687450/cyrodiil-healing-nerf/p1
On the PTS: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 50% when you have 3 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
What made it to game: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 33% when you have 8 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
So no discernible change.1 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/687450/cyrodiil-healing-nerf/p1
On the PTS: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 50% when you have 3 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
What made it to game: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 33% when you have 8 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
So no discernible change.
You think the difference between 7 and 2 HoTs is no discernable change? Lol. You were wrong. Accept it. Move on.
And for the record, I'd much prefer the original version, alongside DoT limitation, and a few other tweaks in GH to playing Vengeance. But oh well, facts don't seem to matter to you.
Edit: To change a perfectly benign idiom that the profanity filter didn't like.Edited by Gabriel_H on July 10, 2026 4:11PMPC EU
Never get involved in a land war in Asia - it's one of the classic blunders!1 -
JustLovely✭✭✭✭✭
✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/687450/cyrodiil-healing-nerf/p1
On the PTS: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 50% when you have 3 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
What made it to game: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 33% when you have 8 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
So no discernible change.
You think the difference between 7 and 2 HoTs is no discernable change? Lol. You were wrong. Accept it. Move on.
And for the record, I'd much prefer the original version, alongside DoT limitation, and a few other tweaks in GH to playing Vengeance. But oh well, facts don't seem to matter to you.
Edit: To change a perfectly benign idiom that the profanity filter didn't like.
I'm a PvP main. I clearly spend more time there than you do. There is no difference between having 7 HoT's and 8 in functional terms, even with the change.
And I'm not falling for your attempt to rage bait me yet again.
Edited by JustLovely on July 10, 2026 4:14PM5 -
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✭I just don't think these forum dissertations are going to change anything....and no one is coming up with any new ideas.
I feel bad for those who are taking this hard, but personally I'm going to log in until they tell me I can't then I'll go play another MMO.
That's really all we can do.““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné4 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭It's tough to open my wallet when I am so conflicted. On one hand, I love firing siege. On the other, a DK can whip me for 25-29K while being super tanky and barely taking damage because of riposte and other nonsense ZOS refuses to address.
Yeah, it's conflicting indeed. If only at least one change this year was something that excited me.0 -
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✭✭✭I agree that you continue paying if you're comfortable doing so and still enjoying it. I think the point here is that if you want to boycott ESO because you think it will help ZOS, then it might not have the result you're looking for.Since then, I realized that my relationship with the game was nothing but... how can I explain this so that the moderators won't censor me... A paid friend who only treats me well as long as I pay them money. When I did unsubscribe, I was given no option to explain why I was doing it in the first place.
[edited for bashing]
I really like ESO, but it's/they're not a friend. This is like any other entertainment subscription, you're paying for entertainment. I mean, like any subscrption service, it is transactional. I could be paying for Netflix or whatever (do people still watch Netflix?) if I wanted to be masochistic and get attached to cancelled TV series. But ESO's much more fun to me.1 -
Pixiepumpkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Here is the problem I have.
If my money was going into a tangible product that would still be in my possession long after the company folded, I'd have no issue supporting the company.
But that is not what we get here, we are renting digital items, quite expensively I might add. With the games future/longevity being uncertain, I see no logic in investing time or money into the project.
It's not that I don't want to support the devs, its that I am getting nothing out of it if the game folds in the near future, or even if it does not but content is sporadic then my investment is less lucrative in that the value has dropped. MMORPGs are investments, any "forever game" is.
"a fool and his money are soon parted"- Defense of the Government of the Church of England c. 15875 -
tomofhyrule✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
Actually they did recently and quiet significantly - the great's of Cyrodiil did not take it well and ZOS reversed course just to stop the crying.
No, they didn't. You must be making a disingenuous deflection relating to vengeance.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/687450/cyrodiil-healing-nerf/p1
On the PTS: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 50% when you have 3 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
What made it to game: Battlespirit will now reduce the amount of healing received by 33% when you have 8 or more Heal Over Time effects on your character.
There is a certain amount of being disingenuous in your argument though. Yes, ZOS did something... but the solution was not what the players asked for.
Players: do not let heals stack in PvP.
ZOS: No. But instead, we're going to make it so healing is nerfed if you have HoTs on you.
Players: Don't do that, that means it'll make it fully possible for one person to troll you by healing you.
ZOS: Well, that's what you get.
From the same thread you liked was this dev note: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8415861#Comment_8415861
essentially admitting that them implementing their version of the healing nerf was resoundly rejected by players. A later dev post (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8416632#Comment_8416632) also admitted that several solution were given by players but would not be feasible in the time U49 had remaining on PTS, so they would circle back to it for a later patch with more dev time to program what players asked for (and the vast majority of players were saying "just don't let vigor stack more than once")
Notably, and like the issues with Grave Lord's Sacrifice, players were told that this would be a temporary solution and a better solution would come later. We're still waiting.
This is why a lot of endgame players (and PvPers in particular) have lost all patience with the Combat team - they are still all-in on the "players are stupid and don't know what they want" train. Someone has decided that this would be the solution, and that's what they're going with. Every other team will take player feedback, and as such players were coming back and saying that ESO was doing well again... until the massacre took out all of the devs that actually seemed to care about the players. But the one team that's still there has shown time and time again that they see player feedback as irrelevant.4 -
merevie✭✭✭✭✭If you care about eso and zos dont make a bad situation worse
I agree. This is the bottom line.
Not just for ESO -but any game we wish to still see in 2027.
Decide as a community to support or don't expect to see those games.
Take a look at the situation with the cost of tech -look at why two major companies have hit their big red button. This is based on their projections -on their expected profit line in the face of some pretty knarly issues.
Not that's our issue...
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Lagzee✭✭✭JustLovely wrote: »At least until we know more. I understand the dooming and negative feelings, of course. What I dont understand is the people who claim to love eso, and zos, who are saying they are going to unsubscribe or uninstall. As far as we know currently zos is going to keep going forward with eso, so by all means if you want to fast track the downfall of eso, and more cuts from Microsoft, then keep this mindset. But if you actually care about zos/eso then the answer is to keep supporting the game the same way you have been.
If you want to boycott something then boycott Microsoft in other ways, with other products. But the reality is Microsoft owns many games/studios that many of us love and dont want to see disappear. For me thats mostly zenimax/betheseda/blizzard related. So its a strange position to be in, especially when you really dislike what they are doing.
I also think its just too soon to tell what the impact will be at zos. There are no guarantees right now. No guarantee of maintenance mode, or shutdown, or that there is only a skeleton crew left. And personally i think those things are very unlikely. If you want to know what maintenance mode looks like, or what a skeleton crew looks like, then look to new world. The lights are currently kept on by like 1-3 people. And the game is still going even now. It does not look like dozens, or hundreds, of people still actively working at a studio developing a game.
Also, if the original post that blew up is to be believed then half of the people, that were actively working on content, were let go. Not half of the total team. Yes, seeing names like rich, gina, and fin, on that list is shocking and sad. Yes, seeing 200 people get laid off is shocking and sad. But we dont know where most these positions came from, aside from the list of like 60 names here on the forums, or what kind of impact they will have on things. We just dont know right now. So personally i am going to withhold judgement until i see what the future looks like, such as any changes to the roadmap, and see what zos will eventually say about this. And hopefully people that actually love eso will do the same.
I found this post from someone at zos, dont know much about it but ill leave it here as well. GG
Um, no.
We've been paying into ESO for over a decade now. It hasn't made any difference yet. As a PvP main I paid for vengeance, which I abhor. ZOS never even tried to limit heal and shield stacking despite years of of requests for the change.
If ZOS delivers content I like, I'll pay. If they don't, I won't. That's how this works. It's not up to us to donate to some form of a go fund me effort. IMO the writing's been on the wall since U35 and ToT came out. I was cautiously hopeful things would turn around this year, but now MS has pulled the rug out from the skeleton crew ESO already had to work with.
So it's the same as it's always been. Deliver content I like and I'll happily buy it. I despise vengeance and the guise it was rolled out under, so I'm not spending $ on the game for now.
ill never understand why people on these forums dont read posts but then feel the need to comment. This isnt directed at you. or you @PoveusRonin or you @RaikaNA
and no one is trying to guilt trip people @CalamityCat @hiyde idk where you got that from, unless it was just a general statement.
Anyway, im just pointing this out for the people who think they are doing something noble or helping zos by unsubbing or uninstalling. Which is exactly why i said if you care about eso then the answer is to keep supporting as you did before. Obv if you dont care because you disagree with changes or direction, and you arent playing or something, or havent subbed in a while, then ya this wasnt meant for you. Its simply meant for the people that think they are doing zos a favor by boycotting eso, or eso plus, or whatever. Which is something i have seen a lot of, and something i find to be very misguided.
And to the same point, if you find that this is your line in the sand, and you dont care about eso, or dont want to play anymore, or dont want to sub, or maybe it would be better if this was the end, then fine. No one is guilt tripping. Everyone will inevitably make their own choices about eso, as they always have. Like i said, I just think its a very misguided thought process to think you are helping zos by unsubbing or uninstalling.Edited by Lagzee on July 10, 2026 8:42PM1 -
Warhawke_80✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'll log in and play but until I know the game is sticking around in some form or another...I'm not paying for anything, it's just business.““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné8 -
Lagzee✭✭✭Warhawke_80 wrote: »I'll log in and play but until I know the game is sticking around in some form or another...I'm not paying for anything, it's just business.
ya that's completely fair. There is deff so much more i want to know about this situation. Obv a statement from zos, but also what every job was out of that list.
But where im at is like, they say they are continuing and i havent seen anything indicating that the game isnt sticking around. Also, if the half number is to be believed, there are still hundreds of people working there to keep developing things, i would imagine. And 50 bucks isnt really a lot to me, so i dont mind renewing my sub or buying the new tome, like i would normally. But everyones situation is different. However, would i spend a lot on the game right now? Like if i was someone constantly buying houses or something. Probably not til zos makes another statement. In the end its all just preference.Edited by Lagzee on July 10, 2026 8:59PM1 -
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✭._.
I bought these, no regrets.
Give me cool ***, I'll buy it.Edited by BardokRedSnow on July 10, 2026 9:38PMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »._.
I bought these, no regrets.
Give me cool ***, I'll buy it.
But you never duel wield in reality. I've seen you. With your one hand. And your shield.0 -
DoofusMax✭✭✭✭✭LOL! If I only bought stuff I would use, ZOS would have gone broke years ago.I'm fresh out of outrage, but I could muster up some amused annoyance if required.1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This game has been turned into tasks for cosmetics. The only content this season is the thieve's guild quests that I haven't started yet because of the gate bug.
I guess there is that new whatever they are calling it, the dolmen thing every 30 minutes, but good luck finding one or getting to it before it's over.
The last thing we need is more staff taken away from creating new content, because we are already in a content drought.
I honestly don't see anything this year worth paying for, but I would have paid for a new chapter.Edited by SilverBride on July 11, 2026 5:41AMPCNA7 -
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✭SilverBride wrote: »This game has been turned into tasks for cosmetics. The only content this season is the thieve's guild quests that I haven't started yet because of the gate bug.
I guess there is that new whatever they are calling it, the dolmen thing every 30 minutes, but good luck finding one or getting to it before it's over.
The last thing we need is more staff taken away from creating new content, because we are already in a content drought.
I honestly don't see anything this year worth paying for, but I would have paid for a new chapter.
Same here.... I religiously bought every chapter at the highest tier but I haven't spent a dime since they went seasonal.““Elric knew. The sword told him, without words of any sort. Stormbringer needed to fight, for that was its reason for existence...”― Michael Moorcock, Elric of Melniboné1 -
VondreasSoul ShrivenCyrodil on PC-NA was full on all 3 alliances yesterday at 11am with a 54 minute wait time.
This game is not going anywhere.
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VondreasSoul ShrivenFreelancer_ESO wrote: »If the cuts are occurring because while ESO is profitable Microsoft thinks ESO can provide them with a larger profits with less staff the cuts will continue as long as that belief remains the case.
This is the logical reason, and it is quite harsh but it is the truth.
As a corporate bee myself, you do have to do the most for the least and improve the company.
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Pixiepumpkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »This game has been turned into tasks for cosmetics. The only content this season is the thieve's guild quests that I haven't started yet because of the gate bug.
I guess there is that new whatever they are calling it, the dolmen thing every 30 minutes, but good luck finding one or getting to it before it's over.
The last thing we need is more staff taken away from creating new content, because we are already in a content drought.
I honestly don't see anything this year worth paying for, but I would have paid for a new chapter.
100%
The chapterless "seasons" seem to be more about having players regurgitate mundane content over and over with a little sprinkling of "new" content to play.
The game does not feel the same. I used to look forward to the new zones, new story, new classes, new mechanics, etc etc. They were not always a massive hit, but it was fun nonetheless. Solstace felt very weak and everything since then has been almost like nothing is being created to consume.
I'd gladly have paid for a new Chapter, I'll never pay for a battlepass."a fool and his money are soon parted"- Defense of the Government of the Church of England c. 15872 -
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✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »._.
I bought these, no regrets.
Give me cool ***, I'll buy it.
But you never duel wield in reality. I've seen you. With your one hand. And your shield.
Is this a serious post lol
There's two bars in the game. If you're curious I can show youEdited by BardokRedSnow on July 13, 2026 6:34PMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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amiiegee✭✭✭✭✭I am a customer and I will pay if they deliver.
Thought making me reinstall the game and re do all my addons and all my other games setting from scratch because of stealth dropping a TINY update wich is downloaded automaticly and was to fast done to be stopped, doesn’t help2