Nowhere(to be found) keys

Firstmep · July 9

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

Mattymoo92 · July 9

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

They aren’t rly meant to be grinded and they don’t want people to gather tooooo many

Firstmep · July 9

Mattymoo92 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

They aren’t rly meant to be grinded and they don’t want people to gather tooooo many

5 hours. That's not normal. If they don't want to be grinded then limit them 1-2 day.

thechef209 · July 9

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

I'm almost certain that the Nowhere Keys start dropping after certain quests in the new Daggerfall Thieves Guild quest line are done. Similar to Luminous Ink with Scribing.

I reckon I'm about halfway through the new quest line, and it took a while to even find out what the Nowhere Keys were. Had to acquire long lost research, a codex, a key itself, find a long lost library, solve magic puzzles... It'd be immersion breaking to just *stumble* on a Nowhere Key by pure luck, and it'd be confusing to players who haven't done the Daggerfall Thieves Guild quest line to stumble on a Nowhere Key. Plus, there are many who choose not to do thieving or they might not have dedicated thief toons.

That's my guess at least

Firstmep · July 9

thechef209 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

I'm almost certain that the Nowhere Keys start dropping after certain quests in the new Daggerfall Thieves Guild quest line are done. Similar to Luminous Ink with Scribing.

I reckon I'm about halfway through the new quest line, and it took a while to even find out what the Nowhere Keys were. Had to acquire long lost research, a codex, a key itself, find a long lost library, solve magic puzzles... It'd be immersion breaking to just *stumble* on a Nowhere Key by pure luck, and it'd be confusing to players who haven't done the Daggerfall Thieves Guild quest line to stumble on a Nowhere Key. Plus, there are many who choose not to do thieving or they might not have dedicated thief toons.

That's my guess at least

I have completed all the new thieves guild quests(and ofc the old one way back when), so it's definetly not to do with that. At least for me.

Trier_Sero · July 9

I got one. It's called unformed planar key. Not sure where I got it. All I did today were new encounters and favors which sent me to kill delve bosses

Ravenshadow6513 · July 9

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

I got one from a dynamic encounter. But this is what they look like:

Arunei · July 9

Mattymoo92 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Spent about a solid 5 hours doing content the game says should drop these keys, treasure chests, thieves troves and safe boxes.
Apparently delve bosses should drop them too so i killed some too.
Not. One. Single. Key. Dropped. Not the one.
So I can think of 2 issues: either the ingame info is wrong and they drop elsewhere, or the droprate is insanely abysmal.

They aren’t rly meant to be grinded and they don’t want people to gather tooooo many

That's opposite what was said in the last livestream where they were shown more. It was said they aren't meant to be rare and they want people to have a decently easy time getting them.

shadyjane62 · July 10

I have 8 and I have no idea where they come from. I did some of the codex quest before I got bored and I have an unformed planar in my bag but other than that just doing the chests in overland.

Update. I'm still not sure where they come from as there has never been a sign they were picked up, but I just finished the Freebooters in two locations and turned in quest. Next I checked I had filled in last two keys.

iGuavaTH · July 10

They have to be Somewhere! I guess they can be Anywhere but Elsweyr, I looked there but no luck. T

Arvedia · July 10

I think it's intended that the drop rates are that low - you get up to 10.000 tome points for them after all. Haven't got any keys as well so far. Kinda feels like the night market and it's trial: locking content behind endless grind. Not sure how to feel about that trend

Gabriel_H · July 10

None for me. Friend got one last night, they haven't done the TG quests yet.

ESO_player123 · July 10

Arvedia wrote: »

I think it's intended that the drop rates are that low - you get up to 10.000 tome points for them after all. Haven't got any keys as well so far. Kinda feels like the night market and it's trial: locking content behind endless grind. Not sure how to feel about that trend

It's not what the devs said in the stream. It's not supposed to be common, sure, but they did not want it to be too rare because they want people to engage with the Nowhere Vault when it comes out.

And the amount of tome points is irrelevant here. If they did not want to give out too many points, they could have just easily not included such challenge.

msetten · July 11

I wish the pre-conditions (if there are any) and exact methods of finding would be made clear. Do you have to have finished the Thieves Guild quest line? And if so, do you have to do it on each character or once you have finished it one, the keys can also drop for others.

I finished the Thieves Guild quest line on my thief and have been running around to open chests and thieve troves, but nothing so far.

Haenk · July 11

msetten wrote: »

I finished the Thieves Guild quest line on my thief and have been running around to open chests and thieve troves, but nothing so far.

I think I got as far as possible, too.
Mind you, I have not completed the "30 heists" and "30 thieves guild" and the "don't get caught" and "maximum rewards" yet, as I fould those extremely boring and annoying. Catching up though.

I have one other idea, which I will try later today (and did not try yet). I'll let you know if that worked. Or at least did *anything* at all.

brtomkin · July 11

I got one from a thieves trove... I had completed 4 thieves guild story quests (I think).

Haenk · July 11

brtomkin wrote: »

I got one from a thieves trove... I had completed 4 thieves guild story quests (I think).

Interesting. I have done like a dozen of those quests, no key at all. At this rate, I have to do at least 100 of these annoying quests, just to qualify. This just can't be right.

(I had the idea of stolen treasure maps leading to chests containing these keys. Just did a quick check with 2 - no luck. Of course, that's a really low sample rate and might not reflect valid data...)

msetten · July 11

Can those who already found nowhere keys let us know:
1. Where did you get one? From what activity?
2. What platform are you on? (We are wondering if maybe they are not enabled on some platforms)

photonoxx · July 11

I get only one at this moment.

I think I get mine in a chest from treasure map (not completely sure, I have done about 40-50 treasure maps, a lot of safe box (may be one hundred ?) some treasure chest and thieves trove and just get one Key)...

msetten · July 11

I've must have done about 50-60 treasure chests and several thieves troves, but so far none (on PS-EU). Half of them on the character I finished the Thieves Guild quest line and the rest on another character that hasn't done it.

Grega · July 11

Arvedia wrote: »

I think it's intended that the drop rates are that low - you get up to 10.000 tome points for them after all. Haven't got any keys as well so far. Kinda feels like the night market and it's trial: locking content behind endless grind. Not sure how to feel about that trend

It’s 1k points, 1000 points. Not 10k. Look at the weekly challenges again

Arvedia · July 11

Grega wrote: »

Arvedia wrote: »

I think it's intended that the drop rates are that low - you get up to 10.000 tome points for them after all. Haven't got any keys as well so far. Kinda feels like the night market and it's trial: locking content behind endless grind. Not sure how to feel about that trend

It’s 1k points, 1000 points. Not 10k. Look at the weekly challenges again

Oh yeah, you're right, my bad. I guess then there's some hope they will fix it since it doesn't excuse the time it takes to get them at all lol

ESO_player123 · July 11

photonoxx wrote: »

I get only one at this moment.

I think I get mine in a chest from treasure map (not completely sure, I have done about 40-50 treasure maps, a lot of safe box (may be one hundred ?) some treasure chest and thieves trove and just get one Key)...

If I have to do 40-50 treasure maps + may be 100 safeboxes for 1 chance to have a go at Nowhere Vault, I am not going to bother.

If that is what the devs meant in the stream by "not really rare" and by "we want player to engage with Nowhere Vault", I do not even know what to say.

duagloth · July 11

@ZOS_Kevin

ZOS_Kevin · July 11

Thanks for the tag. I will also get this to the team on Monday for investigation.

duagloth wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

Firstmep · July 11

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Thanks for the tag. I will also get this to the team on Monday for investigation.

duagloth wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

Thank you so much! I have spent countless hours at this point doing content that's supposed to drop the keys and have gotten zero, so this might not be a drop rate issue but some kind of bug.

James-Wayne · July 12

I found mine from a treasure chest map, I knew there was a reason I bought 37 Glenumbra treasure chest maps months ago

Dax_Draconis · July 12

Zero here so far. They must be ultra rare.

taiyoukei · July 12

I have a couple of people on discord saying that they're getting them from Thieves Troves only. I'm guessing the drops are bugged right now.

ESO_player123 · July 12

James-Wayne wrote: »

I found mine from a treasure chest map, I knew there was a reason I bought 37 Glenumbra treasure chest maps months ago

If it's just Glenumbra treasure maps then it would be a really bad decision.

Sythen88411 · July 12

Is it any zone map or trove?