Yes or repeatable battle pass rewards that are currency such as Fortunes or Seals or other useful things like the mats crate or tripots.

Danikat wrote: »

That's mostly good for ZOS because it keeps those currencies limited and means we have to earn them as intended, but it's arguably good for players as well because knowing you'll only get gold removes the pressure to keep farming tome challenges after you've got all the rewards and frees up time to spend on other things instead.

Adding in AP, Tel Var, and/or Archival fortunes, which are limitless grindable currencies where you're just be exchanging their specific grind for the tome grind would not significantly change this fact. If zos added in an option of say 20AP per tome point and 1 telvar per tome point and 2 archival fortunes per tome point it would give players a bit of choice while still being low stakes.

I do agree that adding in limited currencies like tradebars/seals etc would probably not be a good idea, and it would also drive zos to be much more stingy with tome points, making the end result worse for everyone. I would like more seals and tradebars, but they should be as actual reliable rewards, not overflow of a multimonth system layered with RNG of getting tasks you like and with point values you like. I was early to criticize the fact that different tasks had wildly different rewards, but it ended up being ok because we had more than enough to go around and the overflow wasn't worth much, changing that dynamic would make a lot of the tome's sore points much more frustrating.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

That's mostly good for ZOS because it keeps those currencies limited and means we have to earn them as intended, but it's arguably good for players as well because knowing you'll only get gold removes the pressure to keep farming tome challenges after you've got all the rewards and frees up time to spend on other things instead.

Adding in AP, Tel Var, and/or Archival fortunes, which are limitless grindable currencies where you're just be exchanging their specific grind for the tome grind would not significantly change this fact. If zos added in an option of say 20AP per tome point and 1 telvar per tome point and 2 archival fortunes per tome point it would give players a bit of choice while still being low stakes.

I do agree that adding in limited currencies like tradebars/seals etc would probably not be a good idea, and it would also drive zos to be much more stingy with tome points, making the end result worse for everyone. I would like more seals and tradebars, but they should be as actual reliable rewards, not overflow of a multimonth system layered with RNG of getting tasks you like and with point values you like. I was early to criticize the fact that different tasks had wildly different rewards, but it ended up being ok because we had more than enough to go around and the overflow wasn't worth much, changing that dynamic would make a lot of the tome's sore points much more frustrating.

Picking which grind we want to do is encouraging "play your way" theme ZOS likes to promote.

There're 5K useless tome point in my inventory. (~_~)

reazea wrote: »

AvalonRanger wrote: »

There're 5K useless tome point in my inventory. (~_~)

I'm going to have closer to 30k left over tome points. I did them all every week. Not going to do this again unless they let us get something other than gold with the extra points though. I'll be disengaging from this system if there aren't some significant changes, like being able to choose which currency our extra points are converted to, and/or some repeatable purchase options for materials, potions or something else with utility. As bad as drop rates are for decent things in crown crates they could even make crown crates a repeatable purchase.

I've definitely eased up on weekly completion a lot, since I already got all the stuff I wanted from the tome pages (plus some stuff I didn't but whatever). And that goes double since the number of repeats to complete increased dramatically.

Going forward, I agree - I would definitely like to see more (or repeatable) options for redeeming alternate currencies and consumables.

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Fischblut wrote: »

I am sorry, I meant to vote "Yes" and I got no idea how it clicked on "No"

Probably because you subconsciously expected 'yes' to be the first option, given the phrasing of the question. Easy mistake to make, so don't feel bad about it.

(I had initially clicked the first option too - caught it just before hitting the "Vote" button)

I chose the color scheme so that the "no" answer would be the color red. I wish I could have made the "yes" answer green, but blue is the default and I don't know how to change that. So no big mystery or deception. I just thought it made sense to have the "no" answer be in red since no and stop are kind of the same thing.

JustLovely wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

Could the "No" voters please post their reasoning? I'm not seeing any downside to the proposal. Maybe there is a downside I haven't though of that makes sense.

Too many options is a thing, I would find it stressful trying to figure out what to convert the points to.

Too stressful to decide which currency you can benefit from the most? Ok I guess.

Choice paralysis is a thing. Having more choices can make it harder to decide which to choose. And for harder to get things like Fortunes or TV, it can be hard to decide which to choose if a person needs both for whatever reason.

That's why it would be a better option for us to be able to repeatedly purchase things, including different Currencies. Like I said, they could even do ramping costs or put an eventual cap like 10 or 15 purchases so the activities these Currencies come from don't get made completely obsolete, but people can still earn a nice chunk of them. They could also cycle Currencies, such as TV, AP, and Writ Vouchers one month, then Fortunes and Undaunted Keys the next.

No. Unless they paid for premium, then yes.

Diebesgut wrote: »

... and don't automatically buy all the things I didn't buy because I didn't want them!

Ya, this particular aspect of the system is not respectful. They going to charge us for transmutes that won't fit in our inventory because it's already full, among other things. In the end they forcing us to buy stuff we chose not to buy. It's like having equipment fees taken out of your paycheck when you never agreed to the deduction.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

That's mostly good for ZOS because it keeps those currencies limited and means we have to earn them as intended, but it's arguably good for players as well because knowing you'll only get gold removes the pressure to keep farming tome challenges after you've got all the rewards and frees up time to spend on other things instead.

Adding in AP, Tel Var, and/or Archival fortunes, which are limitless grindable currencies where you're just be exchanging their specific grind for the tome grind would not significantly change this fact. If zos added in an option of say 20AP per tome point and 1 telvar per tome point and 2 archival fortunes per tome point it would give players a bit of choice while still being low stakes.

AP taken from the Tome raises the Alliance rank of the character who takes it, so ZOS might not like how this would enable people to bypass actual PvP to get those skills unlocked. Right now we have a very limited amount of this non-PvP AP gain, akin to the old endeavor rewards.

Like your point about raising prices on things for trade bars and seals (a worry I would share), I would worry that making Tome-sourced AP limitless would probably result in ZOS disabling it from applying to Alliance rank, like how they made AP from daily logins stop contributing to Rewards for the Worthy.

nb_rich wrote: »

Only solution I see is they convert to seals or carry over to the next season. This way it has no impact on people not participating in content

I think your logic with the other currencies actually applies well to seals and Tome Points too.

If I carry over as many TP as I can earn, I can just unlock everything next season and not have to worry about grinding—and goodbye to any incentive for Tome caches, whether from ESO+ or the +Bonus Tome upgrade.

If I can get unlimited seals for my TP, why buy crown crates? I can just get those items for seals. That’s why they’ve been carefully budgeted from endeavors and Tomes. And if I have excess seals from previous seasons, I won’t need to grind them as hard from the Tomes in the future.

nb_rich wrote: »

I voted Yes, but I see everyone point of view.

On one side we have so many tome points left over it makes no sense they go to waste or why we have so much extra.

On the other side it would take away from people doing content. For example if we can convert them to fortunes like a lot of people are saying, what would be the reason to play the Archive? Another example would be if they give alliance points/tel var, why would I participate in PvP content. Even as a PvE player why would I waste time in content I struggle with if I can just save alliance points and wait for the weekly vendor to sell what I need. Even trade bars why would we participate in events if we have enough to get everything before the event starts (what I experienced in this event going on now)

Only solution I see is they convert to seals or carry over to the next season. This way it has no impact on people not participating in content

I doubt ZOS would let the conversion rate for Currencies, if they ever added the ability to choose, be nearly enough that people could just skip content. Take Fortunes, for example. If they made it a 1:10 ratio (1 Fortune for every 100 Points) and you have 5k Points after everything, that's only 500 Fortunes. It's next to nothing considering how many Fortunes things in IA actually cost.

an infinite repeatable claim option for some currency would be better, then i wouldnt care what the points converted to

this whole season i havent really done anything because i maxed out my tome on week 2 due to using pt caches, so literally all of my earned pts have been purely incidental and i havent actively tried earning any pts past the first 2 weeks

auto claiming to gold is just awful, i have 104 million gold in the bank, an extra 100k is like 1/3 of what i spend when i feel like buying up more motifs/furnishing plans i need lol

If this was possible I would 100% have chosen archival fortunes and carry on accruing tome points after unlocking everything.

Archival fortunes are a lot more valuable (to me) than gold/tel var/AP/whathaveyou at this point in time.

Alas I sincerely doubt that ZOS would entertain the possibility regardless of conversion rate.

heaven13 wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

That's mostly good for ZOS because it keeps those currencies limited and means we have to earn them as intended, but it's arguably good for players as well because knowing you'll only get gold removes the pressure to keep farming tome challenges after you've got all the rewards and frees up time to spend on other things instead.

Adding in AP, Tel Var, and/or Archival fortunes, which are limitless grindable currencies where you're just be exchanging their specific grind for the tome grind would not significantly change this fact. If zos added in an option of say 20AP per tome point and 1 telvar per tome point and 2 archival fortunes per tome point it would give players a bit of choice while still being low stakes.

I do agree that adding in limited currencies like tradebars/seals etc would probably not be a good idea, and it would also drive zos to be much more stingy with tome points, making the end result worse for everyone. I would like more seals and tradebars, but they should be as actual reliable rewards, not overflow of a multimonth system layered with RNG of getting tasks you like and with point values you like. I was early to criticize the fact that different tasks had wildly different rewards, but it ended up being ok because we had more than enough to go around and the overflow wasn't worth much, changing that dynamic would make a lot of the tome's sore points much more frustrating.

This is my concern as well, if ZoS allowed us to choose trade bars or seals. As such, if currency choice became a thing, I'd much rather it be like you said and limitless grindable ones.

That said, I think repeatable rewards that come in those flavors, as well as things like tri-pots, alchemy bags, etc, are honestly the better option. This would ALSO allow people to use up all their tome points before the season ended so they wouldn't have any collectibles auto-claimed if they really didn't want them.

Why not both options? They can both be easily added to the game.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

They just need to do the one thing every person has suggested the whole time. The same thing Fallout76 does.

A bonus page of repeatable currency (or other repeatable stuff) purchases so people can use up their points as they see fit.

That’s it. That would solve all of the rollover problems right there. And then the only people who have to deal with autoclaim or gold conversion or whatever are those who neglect to buy stuff from the active tome in the first place.

The two bonus pages now are - for all intents and purposes - just pages 11 and 12. There’s nothing different about them than the other ones, save that they just unlock together. It makes no sense.

This.