Removing Shattered Paths from PvP instead of fixing it is better, but an incredibly cheap solution

Usureki · June 29

I would understand that nerfing it was not just reasonable, it was required considering the insanely bad effect it had on PvP. I also applaud the reaction time, it really feels like an on-spot improvement that somewhat echoes the pleas on this forum - but removing the stuff completely? For me, it gives the message, that ZOS completely doesn't care for PvP anymore; they did not even spend the tiniest effort in any attempt to balance it out, they just deleted it. Like 'we have a problem, we dare not face it, we just pretend it doesn't exist". I don't think they should have done that, since they delivered the thing in the first place ignoring the armies of warnings from PTS, then without any attempt to remedy the situation, they just decided to cancel the item in PvP?? Not fine-tune, not refactor, not anything - total delete. What a shame.

Is it a solution? Yeah, kinda, I think PvP will be probably better without it. But is it the best solution? No, it is an incredibly cheap solution.

CannedChicken · June 29

I love how they are willing to orbital strike this item and completely remove it from pvp, but they can't apply any battle spirit only nerfs to some of the DK skills.

Munkfist · June 29

No matter what they do at this point, the pvp community as a whole will not be happy. They can't even agree on changes amongst themselves, anymore, let alone anything Zos does per request from the majority of players.

AetherialXL · June 29

Now delete dk whip

CannedChicken · June 29

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Munkfist · June 29

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

tomofhyrule · June 29

Remember this was an incremental patch, which never tend to have major changes.

It’s likely that they will be adjusting Shattered Path in U51 (especially since Warden also made great use of it and their refresh is upcoming), but the SPS/Wolf interaction was causing too much toxicity in PvP. As such, they threw in a quick stopgap so it can be properly addressed when U51 PTS drops at the end of the month.

Or at least that’s what I’m hoping. But I’ll admit that after the other ‘stopgap’ fixes (like Arctic Blast, Grave-Lord’s Sacrifice, and the Cyrodiil heal stacking) we’ve seen recently that never actually got the actual fix…

BardokRedSnow · June 29

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Delete subclassing first and maybe we can talk

BardokRedSnow · June 29

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

Munkfist · June 29

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

BardokRedSnow · June 29

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

If you're judging that based on these forums you should step out of the echochambers here and look elsewhere, while people here are constantly complaining, asking for vengeance etc, vengeance in game is dead, and people are playing happily in Laghost.

As for PvE not having issues, buddy PvPers PvE also for gear, I know thats not true lol the same server lag everyone gets persists there too, and the solo players here who say group comps are too complicated or demanding and they wanna run their rp setups are numerous

I bet theyd LOVE Vengeance PvE tests

Edit for further clarity: Look at the Night Market threads and reddit posts talking about how poor performance was.

Munkfist · June 29

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

If you're judging that based on these forums you should step out of the echochambers here and look elsewhere, while people here are constantly complaining, asking for vengeance etc, vengeance in game is dead, and people are playing happily in Laghost.

As for PvE not having issues, buddy PvPers PvE also for gear, I know thats not true lol the same server lag everyone gets persists there too, and the solo players here who say group comps are too complicated or demanding and they wanna run their rp setups are numerous

I bet theyd LOVE Vengeance PvE tests

Edit for further clarity: Look at the Night Market threads and reddit posts talking about how poor performance was.

Oddly enough, my groups had no major issues in the Night Market, nor in trials, nor in Archives.

Grey Host, in zone chat, is mostly just people arguing over stupid things, not actually pvping. There are far more complaints about balance in pvp, performance in pvp, and just general unhappiness in pvp. The forums are really just the tip of that pyramid.

You're not wrong that the RP community and solo players would probably enjoy a Vengeance pve, most pve is already complaining about making everything easier and requesting a lot of spoonfeeding.

It still goes back to the fact that no matter what Zos does, people will not be happy

BardokRedSnow · June 29

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

If you're judging that based on these forums you should step out of the echochambers here and look elsewhere, while people here are constantly complaining, asking for vengeance etc, vengeance in game is dead, and people are playing happily in Laghost.

As for PvE not having issues, buddy PvPers PvE also for gear, I know thats not true lol the same server lag everyone gets persists there too, and the solo players here who say group comps are too complicated or demanding and they wanna run their rp setups are numerous

I bet theyd LOVE Vengeance PvE tests

Edit for further clarity: Look at the Night Market threads and reddit posts talking about how poor performance was.

Oddly enough, my groups had no major issues in the Night Market, nor in trials, nor in Archives.

Grey Host, in zone chat, is mostly just people arguing over stupid things, not actually pvping. There are far more complaints about balance in pvp, performance in pvp, and just general unhappiness in pvp. The forums are really just the tip of that pyramid.

You're not wrong that the RP community and solo players would probably enjoy a Vengeance pve, most pve is already complaining about making everything easier and requesting a lot of spoonfeeding.

It still goes back to the fact that no matter what Zos does, people will not be happy

They will not be in forums and social media maybe, but overall the game is far more active than it was when they introduced subclassing

Forums, especially this one with likes and reactions, pretty much breeds negativity bias.

I still remember when I was first replying here and I said I was excited to see og Skyrim again in relation to Greymoor. Another forum user here goes "OG Skyrim? You do know that Skyrim is just one tes title?" I clarified stating I meant Og as in its the first time we've seen skyrim, tes 5. The Greymoor dlc would be the second. And a hypothetical, Winterhold DLC which I was proposing would be the third.

Didnt matter lol the people had their blood in the water and assumed I was a Skyrim andy despite having played this series since I was 11 lol.

People here love negativity, respond primarily to negativity and react mainly to negativity. They come here to vent or find people that agree with their gripes.

And it hasnt changed since the first year I came here to lurk when they got rid of the old bethesda forums.

Basing any business model off of social media reactions is a very bad idea unless it is also reflected by statistics in game.

Munkfist · June 29

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

If you're judging that based on these forums you should step out of the echochambers here and look elsewhere, while people here are constantly complaining, asking for vengeance etc, vengeance in game is dead, and people are playing happily in Laghost.

As for PvE not having issues, buddy PvPers PvE also for gear, I know thats not true lol the same server lag everyone gets persists there too, and the solo players here who say group comps are too complicated or demanding and they wanna run their rp setups are numerous

I bet theyd LOVE Vengeance PvE tests

Edit for further clarity: Look at the Night Market threads and reddit posts talking about how poor performance was.

Oddly enough, my groups had no major issues in the Night Market, nor in trials, nor in Archives.

Grey Host, in zone chat, is mostly just people arguing over stupid things, not actually pvping. There are far more complaints about balance in pvp, performance in pvp, and just general unhappiness in pvp. The forums are really just the tip of that pyramid.

You're not wrong that the RP community and solo players would probably enjoy a Vengeance pve, most pve is already complaining about making everything easier and requesting a lot of spoonfeeding.

It still goes back to the fact that no matter what Zos does, people will not be happy

They will not be in forums and social media maybe, but overall the game is far more active than it was when they introduced subclassing

Forums, especially this one with likes and reactions, pretty much breeds negativity bias.

I still remember when I was first replying here and I said I was excited to see og Skyrim again in relation to Greymoor. Another forum user here goes "OG Skyrim? You do know that Skyrim is just one tes title?" I clarified stating I meant Og as in its the first time we've seen skyrim, tes 5. The Greymoor dlc would be the second. And a hypothetical, Winterhold DLC which I was proposing would be the third.

Didnt matter lol the people had their blood in the water and assumed I was a Skyrim andy despite having played this series since I was 11 lol.

People here love negativity, respond primarily to negativity and react mainly to negativity. They come here to vent or find people that agree with their gripes.

And it hasnt changed since the first year I came here to lurk when they got rid of the old bethesda forums.

Basing any business model off of social media reactions is a very bad idea unless it is also reflected by statistics in game.

Yup, haha. I can't argue any of that.

LadyGP · June 29

It is the easier/quicker reaction - yes.

You assume they aren't working on the bigger picture nehind closed doors. They very well might not be.. but given the complains about a ton of things (including ball groups) and Veng not working out... I'm put my money on them working on something and just aren't ready to talk about it yet.

I appreciate them reacting quick to it. PvP has been a living nightmare with some of these builds because of that mythic. The worse it got the more people put it on and started chasing it.

duagloth · June 29

Munkfist wrote: »

No matter what they do at this point, the pvp community as a whole will not be happy. They can't even agree on changes amongst themselves, anymore, let alone anything Zos does per request from the majority of players.

this is the absolute truth, only fix for pvp is delete the whole system

lamar720 · June 29

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Remember this was an incremental patch, which never tend to have major changes.

It’s likely that they will be adjusting Shattered Path in U51 (especially since Warden also made great use of it and their refresh is upcoming), but the SPS/Wolf interaction was causing too much toxicity in PvP. As such, they threw in a quick stopgap so it can be properly addressed when U51 PTS drops at the end of the month.

Or at least that’s what I’m hoping. But I’ll admit that after the other ‘stopgap’ fixes (like Arctic Blast, Grave-Lord’s Sacrifice, and the Cyrodiil heal stacking) we’ve seen recently that never actually got the actual fix…

They should just increase the poison damage taken when in WW form. Like someone specializing in a poison build should be able to burn down a WW incredibly fast. Poison damage doesn't even hurt them for the most part.

Nordstern · June 29

Great news.

Alaztor91 · June 29

Usureki · June 29

Munkfist wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

CannedChicken wrote: »

AetherialXL wrote: »

Now delete dk whip

and inhale and wings

Sounds like they should just ditch Grey Host and force Vengeance on everyone at this point. They can't please this community.

Yea that will definitely please the community
Force vengeance on everyone including pve also

There is zero pleasing the community as it is. Half want their builds buffed, the other half want everything nerfed. No matter what Zos does, it's not going to help anymore.

I pvp as much as I pve, pve doesn't have the issues that pvp does. No need for blanket changes

ZOS seem to be rather helpless in handling the situation, I agree, but your statement that nothing they do will help anymore is woefully incorrect. If they'd deliver good content, people would complain less, but right now even the top players are stating that the balance is bad. Anyone spending their time doing at least 2-3 BGs could see that the experience players have in BGs is terrible and it is worrying that many people from those who remained to play this game think that this is the normal.

Yupp, there are tons of whiny and unjustified posts and comments on the forums, sure, but at its core, PvP in ESO is in a miserable state regardless and there are hundreds of threads describing how stuff could be better, yet this part of the game is chosen to be ignored, because it's just easier. It is easier to just ignore or delete. Like I said, it's a shame.

duagloth wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

No matter what they do at this point, the pvp community as a whole will not be happy. They can't even agree on changes amongst themselves, anymore, let alone anything Zos does per request from the majority of players.

this is the absolute truth, only fix for pvp is delete the whole system

bruh.