Vengeance is awesome!

Waylander07 · June 29

I was completely burned out with pvp on GH, the lack of balance, ball groups, op builds and having to grind gear to get the latest op builds had become stale and boring. I came back because of the changes to the game to see if it had got better. 4 days playing in GH and i was feeling like quitting the game again, the balance was as bad as i have seen it (started playing at launch) and all the things i hated were still there.
I switched to vengeance and wow, performance is great, no ball groups and the balance is the best i have seen. Big fights when they happen are awesome and now fights seem tactical and no player seems unkillable. This for me is real pvp where you are not relying on op builds but have to rely on skill.
The only thin i will say though is that Vengeance needs Faction lock to stop players changing sides when things get tough.

barney2525 · June 29

Lucasl402 wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

Coldfire ballistas are absolutely terrific, and they are quickly becoming the number one tool against enemy zergs. This siege is extremely efficient, but it requires a certain amount of coordination to make the most of it. One coldfire ballista cannot do much really, but when combined with other siege, they can be simply devastating.

Yesterday morning, two AD players managed to literally bomb circa 20 unsuspecting DC players who were very tightly stacked on a resource flag near Castle Black Boot. Today, some 15 DC were instantly defeated when Black Boot's main gate opened and they rushed in without giving it much thought. Several well-timed shots from coldfire ballistas can definitely turn the tide in the defenders' favor, but a large amount of teamwork between the defenders is also necessary, as they must use other siege like oils, meatbags, and oil catapults. These two examples did not bring the entire zerg down (around 40 players today), but it might well happen at some point, as more players get their coldfire and defense strategies improve.

I totally adore how this powerful siege is rare and relatively difficult to get. Vengeance dolmens are a bit more challenging, especially solo. The drop rate is far from generous; it is only possible to carry one coldfire ballista at any time, and they are not infinite. It could be interesting to have access to Vengeance lancers, maybe obtainable from treasure chests very rarely, and limited to one, just like the coldfire siege.

You could always try actually fighting and engaging in PvP activities.

interesting point.

Is it still PVP if the player's character is not engaging another player's character using their own skills and hand held weapons?

JustLovely · June 29

aetherix8 wrote: »

Lucasl402 wrote: »

You could always try actually fighting and engaging in PvP activities.

That's very much what AD players did, didn't they?

But is sieging other players really PvP? I think it is, but not in the same way that getting off the walls and actually fighting are. Since this seems to be a prevailing theme I see with PvP zone generals always shouting for people to get off the walls and fight, I'd say the poster your responding to is one of those folks.

aetherix8 · June 29

In a setting like Cyrodiil, using the most appropriate tool at your disposal in a specific context certainly is part of ESO PvP. But feel free to jump off the wall or defend inner flags 5 versus 40+ without any support whatsoever from oils, meatbags, etc. I'm sure it will go spectacularly well...

Orbital78 · July 2

Siege defense is my favorite, just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less PVP. It is just not front lines, it requires all fronts to be very successful and makes a big difference to have both. Rewards are in, hard to balance the event boxes with PVP right now but will likely be back soon to enjoy more vengeance soon.