Class Reworks, Moot suggestions

Nihilr · June 27

I know I'm just screaming into the void unheard and the upcoming Warden changes are already set in stone at this point by devs probably. But since DK's lost poison damage, is it time that Wardens get poison and donate frost to Necromancers?

I really think Frost+animals+plants has a "one of these is not like the others" problem.

DK:
Fire+Dragon+Earth (Earthen Heart should have more physical damage morphs)

Warden:
POISON+Animal summons+Plants (makes more sense huh?)

Necromancer:
DISEASE+FROST+Undead

The rest of the classes have their proper "elements" that seem to match their identities.

Although honestly there are at least 3-5 useless skills in every class that should just be deleted or given a class-based mechanic (if buffed) to make it viable. Otherwise we're just deciding which class line has the least junk not useful for a build.

Edit: Oh and I hope to Aedra that they have alternative skins for the Warden summons that aren't Morrowind specific... Let people keep their ugly shalk, but we could have Roots or Snakes (like Mazzatun final boss), not specific to a region of nirn...

/ramblings

LunaFlora · June 27

Poison would fit well in Green Balance.
Frost belongs in Warden, it is part of nature and the winter season.
This is the Warden image ZOS shared when they announced the Class Refreshes

Reminder that Warden has had a full skill line for frost since its release, just like Sorcerer with Storm Calling. Dragonknight only had 3 poison morphs, which were not there at launch.
It would be better to remove Magic Damage from Warden and replace that with Frost so the skill lines connect better.

quoting myself from another Warden thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8493276#Comment_8493276
(the Stamina heal Soothing Spores also works well for turning into a Poison skill)

LunaFlora wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

i chose Green Balance, because it has no Damage. But really all lines need some help.
it really needs Poison or Bleed in some morphs
- Corrupting Pollen, hostile name.
- Leeching Vines, hostile name.
- Lotus Blossom?
- one of the Vine Grasp morphs should pull enemies towards you.
- Enchanted Forest ultimate could be a frosty forest that deals Frost Damage.

i hope the Animal Companions skills that deal Magic Damage will deal Frost instead.
Netch and Falcon's Swiftness need more distinctly different morphs. could be Damage, Shielding, Healing.
Growing Swarm will likely become similar to Fatecarver, like Dragonknight's Engulfing Dragonfire. Swarm is already an area of effect that goes forward so it just needs to become channeled.

Winter's Embrace needs more Frost damage and more distinctly different morphs.
i like the morphs of
- Arctic Blast and Polar Wind
- impaling Shards and Winter's Revenge, but Revenge needs to not require Destruction Staff.

Warden does not have any skills i can imagine being shuffled around.
The skill line themes are there, now they should amplify the themes and overlap the damage throughout the class instead of it being confined to each individual line.

i still agree with Luna from February.

also recently thought more about Falcon Swiftness:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8480202#Comment_8480202

LunaFlora wrote: »

my hope for Falcon Swiftness is
- base skill pushes you forward instead of only applying Minor Expedition.
currently the morphs only differ in granting Minor Evasion or Berserk.
i hope they get changed to do more:
defense Morph: wings embrace you to give you a Damage Shield.
offense Morph: wings flap forward for a similar duration to Fatecarver, dealing Frost Damage.

i love skills with morphs that are for defense and offense so you are not simply choosing the morph based on how much damage it deals.
And in this case there would be synergy(?) with the Winter's Embrace skill line, hopefully the Animal Companions morphs that deal Magic damage get changed to deal Frost damage too.