Lugaldu wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

Why do decorators feel the need to own the plans? Most already complain about the material costs. Why not pay someone to craft the items for you? Much cheaper, much less time consuming.

I do a lot of decorating, in many, many houses. Including 3 fully finished guildhalls. Was it expensive? Absolutely. Was it worth it to me? Even more so.

Since you decorate houses yourself, you know how expensive it is.

Of course, you can buy items from crafters, and they’re cheaper than the blueprints, but that doesn’t change the fact that some players can’t make huge amounts of gold because their playtime is extremely limited.

Why do I want to be able to know the blueprints and craft the items myself? Because housing is my absolute endgame, and I put all my effort and resources into “building from scratch”—which means I don’t just need a few pieces of furniture to place around, but massive amounts of structural furnishings to build entire buildings. And only then does the actual furnishing begin.
Even just crafting all these items myself is expensive due to the extreme cost of materials (massive amounts of Mundane Runes, Heartwood… which also have to be collected first). It’s just as impossible to buy 50 columns, 30 platforms, 50 walls, etc., from guild merchants—especially when it comes to NEW items.

Absolutely! It's very expensive, and why it's endgame. I spent years just building up my bank to create my first guildhall, and my god, the joy and satisfaction I got when it was done.

What I'm seeing out of most of the complaints in this thread is that people are playing above their means. I know from previous housing guilds that I was a part of (I did most of the furnishing crafting for a lot of people), that most people won't farm their own materials even. Takes too much time out of their creations to work for the resources they need. It's also too expensive, not because prices are high, but because they buy materials or plans instead of just spending an hour or two farming some materials. Most people want high reward for little effort, and don't realize how that affects other players that enjoy the game the way it is.

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Can you get those through stealing? I have a thief build that I never get to use.

Absolutely. The new Breton plans can be pickpocketed

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

That is very much a choice that you're making. There are other options available, but entitlement seems to be the fall back? Unsure.

I think you need to look that word up in the dictionary, it doesn’t mean what you are implying it means.

Also, why do you care if I want plans or not or even have them? It sounds like you are selling them for top dollar and if I won’t pay then I deserve that. Those who are in the housing community are supportive, not condescending.

Entitlement.
/inˈtīdlmənt/
Psychological and Social Context (Sense of Entitlement)
In a behavioral context, a "sense of entitlement" is the personality trait of believing one inherently deserves privileges, special treatment, or recognition without actually earning or working for them.

Nope. Means exactly what I said.

I care because people are trying to ruin the enjoyment collectors have in the very few chase items left in the game. The farm-able plants and mushrooms have already been bumped up, as well as the Shivering Cheese.

Furnishing leads from maps are no longer a chase since maps are in abundance.

As earlier stated, I eat everything I find, or I give it away to a few close friends that are also collecting everything in the game. Selling is only if I ever need some space, and if I sell, it is most likely less than others' listed. I have gold, I really don't need to gouge for more.

I left the housing community years ago when the majority were demanding that housing be cheaper or that they never have to leave their homes to acquire any plans or furnishings. Entitlement.

If you believe that then it is pointless for me to continue. You are not here for a real discussion.

Fair enough Clearly not something we'll agree on.

The drop rate is absurd. I've been 'farming' for five days, and have not seen ONE purple crafting recipe from the new Glenumbra stuff, and I have farmed for about 8 hours each day.

That's absurd. I've tried swapping characters. I've tried stolen object containers and I've tried the Deleyn's Mill house. In five days, odds should allow for at least ONE purple furnishing plan from the new loot pool.

I've gotten three blue recipes in that time: Blueprint: Breton Hutch, Tall Knotwork X 1, and Praxis: Breton Planter, Blue Ivy X 2.

That's nice, but again. 5 days, and not one purple quality recipe is crazy, and I'm pretty sure that we're NEVER see Devs respond to this thread be cause the economy of an MMO is deeply important to playerbase's sense of fairness, so if there is an adjustment, it will likely be a stealth patch, but I'd appreciate it if someone addresses this insanely low drop rate.

Maintenance is now complete. Has there still been no change or adjustment to the drop rate?
I've opened some crates, but so far, it doesn't seem like anything has changed.

Aylish wrote: »

KwamaEggMine wrote: »

Maintenance is now complete. Has there still been no change or adjustment to the drop rate?
I've opened some crates, but so far, it doesn't seem like anything has changed.

Drop rate is still abysmal.

Yep.

I was expecting the Glenumbra ones to remain the same, as it is in line with other zones; it just so happens that there are no 'good spots' in Glenumbra with plenty of unowned backpacks/wardrobes/etc, even without a login screen (forcing us to use the 'port to a dungeon/unowned house trick') which of course compounds the issue. Is a perfect storm really:

- No good spots.
- Utterly diluted levelled lists.
- Atrocious drop rate.

However I was expecting at least that the drop rate of structural furnishings in Summerset would have been brought in line with for instance Solstice. I would have thought that this was a no-brainer because at this point everyone and their cat has done the Summerset dailies hundreds of times - first for the achievement, then the motif pages etc. - so keeping the abysmal drop rates would basically be the complete opposite of 'respecting players' time'.

Turns out I was wrong.

EDIT: For the record, I have stopped altogether. It has taken a long time but I have learned my lesson (the 10th anniversary jubilee imparted a pretty harsh teaching in this regard). When the game design infers that taking liberties with my time is acceptable - in other words, the infamous 'working as expected' - I just disengage.

If I have the coin to spare and there is availability when I do I will buy them from traders, if not I will do without.