drop rate for the new furnishing plans in Glenumbra and Summerset

aza_sel · June 22

Please ZOS, do something. the droprate for the new furnishing plans is ridicoulous.
I do the summerset delve dailies on 12 chars each day since the release of update 50, but got only 4 plans (1 double) in summerset.
Though I farm also in Glenumbra: 0 there

LunaFlora · June 22

yes indeed furniture plan droprate needs to be higher

athena9205 · June 22

i've gotten 2 since the update, only one from the 20+ coffers i saved up for the opening day and one a few days later. The drop rate is abysmal, and its likely hurting the economy as well.

SilverIce58 · June 22

From what sources do the new plans drop in Glenumbra?

ESO_player123 · June 23

SilverIce58 wrote: »

From what sources do the new plans drop in Glenumbra?

Containers. Also, someone wrote on the forum they they got a couple of plans form the extra bags that we get from Mirri's perk. Personally, I only got a few from the containers (looting or stealing).

But the drop rate is horrible. It seems like ZoS read players' complaints about bad drop rates in the past and decided to make it even worse.

Munkfist · June 23

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

ESO_player123 · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

Do you really consider endless running in circles and porting to unowned house/exiting it to reset the containers a non-trivial gameplay? There is rarity, and then there is just pure wasting of players' time.

Munkfist · June 23

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

Do you really consider endless running in circles and porting to unowned house/exiting it to reset the containers a non-trivial gameplay? There is rarity, and then there is just pure wasting of players' time.

I mean, that's a choice you're making if that's what you're doing. If that is what you're doing, you'd be better off just making some gold and buying your plans.

Gold is so easy to make now that you can skip the grind altogether.

ESO_player123 · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

Do you really consider endless running in circles and porting to unowned house/exiting it to reset the containers a non-trivial gameplay? There is rarity, and then there is just pure wasting of players' time.

I mean, that's a choice you're making if that's what you're doing. If that is what you're doing, you'd be better off just making some gold and buying your plans.

Gold is so easy to make now that you can skip the grind altogether.

If gold is so easy to make, what non-triviality are you talking about here? And if you are not farming yourself, what difference does the rarity of the plans make to you personally?

LunaFlora · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

most housing players actually want to use furniture plans and not wait for years to find them.

ESO_player123 · June 23

LunaFlora wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

most housing players actually want to use furniture plans and not wait for years to find them.

Exactly. I've been wanting for years to have those planters with mushrooms. According to TTC, there are only 3 (three) purple plans in guild traders on PCNA after 2 weeks. The asking price? 10, 15, and 20 mil.

BretonMage · June 23

Eh, there is always going to be a small handful of people who support setting predatory prices on items other people need. My issue is why ZOS is allowing this unsavoury situation in the first place. Why, AGAIN, is the RNG for furnishing-related items so bad? Just like the treasure map lead situation, I refuse to participate in this ridiculous grind. I don't mind grinding for things with some measure of certainty, like gear grinds or motif grinds, but that furnishing has been singled out for this kind of egregiously bad RNG just feels insulting to me.

ESO_player123 wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

From what sources do the new plans drop in Glenumbra?

Containers. Also, someone wrote on the forum they they got a couple of plans form the extra bags that we get from Mirri's perk. Personally, I only got a few from the containers (looting or stealing).

I read somewhere that they can drop from any Covenant zone, or could it be from any zone at all? They seem to drop from really random places, but yeah I agree it seems to be containers, as for other furnishing plans. I had a couple drop, one from Glenumbra and one from Stros M'Kai. I haven't had one from Mirri's bags but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a super rare chance for it.

Aylish · June 23

At least the new bird house plans can drop anywhere. Found one of them in Solstice and looked it up: It is one of the new ones that came with U50. I don‘t know if this goes for all the new plans that are supposed to drop in Glenumbra or only the non Breton stuff.
For the Summerset plans, I now do the dailies, save the coffers and hope that the next incremental patch fixes the drop rate.

Alastrine · June 23

Why is someone asking for a high value for something have to be termed in such a bad way as 'predatory'? That sort of term is just coming from people who don't want to pay it... but you don't have to pay it at all do you? Just an fyi, I never have stuff of that high a value to sell so no, I am not one asking for those prices.

This always come up... people have something others want who don't like the price being charged for it so they call them all sorts of derogatory terms.

Been playing since the game started and one change that has annoyed me the most is that they keep simplifying it, keep making it easier, faster for new people. All that seems to do that I've seen is that people join, they level fast, they have access to everywhere, many new players have zero idea of the storyline because there is no beginning any more and they just get bored with it all faster and leave. (side rant, sorry).

I recently just bought those 3 mushroom planter plans. The 3-tiered one I dropped the big bucks for. The other 2 were not that bad for a new furniture plan. I was more surprised by the price for a lot of the new Breton pieces but that was ok too... bought what I could and will get the others when I can. Don't think my houses are going anywhere.

I have to wonder... if the people farming are doing it to get the plans for themselves or to sell and enjoy the high values themselves, and want the drop rate raised to cash in while they can? Or are those who luck into duplicates going to sell the duplicate at a much lower value and not be 'predatory'?

Motifs drop so much now that their value has so decreased most of them aren't even worth listing and I'm ok with that too.

Just play the game. If the farming gets tedious then do something else for a bit and go back to it. Sometimes I think people actually are addicted to the hunt but then complain about it.

BretonMage · June 23

Alastrine wrote: »

I have to wonder... if the people farming are doing it to get the plans for themselves or to sell and enjoy the high values themselves, and want the drop rate raised to cash in while they can? Or are those who luck into duplicates going to sell the duplicate at a much lower value and not be 'predatory'?

It's just going to be flipped, unfortunately.

I do think it's predatory if you support it, yes. I personally am in favour of prices going down across the board so we can all afford what we want. Even those of us who aren't billionaires. And I believe we have enough housing items at this stage, that ESO's stories will run out before housing loses its appeal, so just let us have the shiny things and enjoy the game while we can.

aza_sel · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

Do you really consider endless running in circles and porting to unowned house/exiting it to reset the containers a non-trivial gameplay? There is rarity, and then there is just pure wasting of players' time.

I mean, that's a choice you're making if that's what you're doing. If that is what you're doing, you'd be better off just making some gold and buying your plans.

Gold is so easy to make now that you can skip the grind altogether.

check TTC, the epic mushroom planter is at 40 millions, ah yes, assume you are not playing ESO? make 40 millions in a day? or week?
of cause the price will go down but i dont want to wait 6 months to buy the plans at rolis or at an acceptable price, even blue ones are listed at 400 000 gold

aza_sel · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

Do you really consider endless running in circles and porting to unowned house/exiting it to reset the containers a non-trivial gameplay? There is rarity, and then there is just pure wasting of players' time.

I mean, that's a choice you're making if that's what you're doing. If that is what you're doing, you'd be better off just making some gold and buying your plans.

Gold is so easy to make now that you can skip the grind altogether.

AND: even if you buy the plans, someone must farm them, they dont fall out of thin air

Munkfist · June 23

Ahh, right, this goes right back to the instant gratification I rant about.

The current playerbase doesn't want to play the game to acquire things of value. They want it handed to them because things take too long in a game of longevity.

Freebies for everyone! Always! No effort required!

LunaFlora · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

Ahh, right, this goes right back to the instant gratification I rant about.

The current playerbase doesn't want to play the game to acquire things of value. They want it handed to them because things take too long in a game of longevity.

Freebies for everyone! Always! No effort required!

looting containers for years is tedious.
doing hundreds of daily quests only to get a few plans is tedious.
digging up hundreds of treasure map chests to maybe get a furnishing lead is tedious.

drop chances for furniture should be increased.
i love to play the game to have fun and decorating houses is fun, opening containers that nearly always contain nothing i need is not fun.

Munkfist · June 23

I will always prefer the dopamine rush of getting a chase item over being spoonfed.

The game is already very easy, some time-consuming farms for high value, highly sought after rewards isn't a big ask.

BretonMage · June 23

Yes, I'd like to get these antiquities unlocked and furnishing plans some time before I die of old age, thank you.

Munkfist · June 23

Alastrine wrote: »

Why is someone asking for a high value for something have to be termed in such a bad way as 'predatory'? That sort of term is just coming from people who don't want to pay it... but you don't have to pay it at all do you? Just an fyi, I never have stuff of that high a value to sell so no, I am not one asking for those prices.

This always come up... people have something others want who don't like the price being charged for it so they call them all sorts of derogatory terms.

Been playing since the game started and one change that has annoyed me the most is that they keep simplifying it, keep making it easier, faster for new people. All that seems to do that I've seen is that people join, they level fast, they have access to everywhere, many new players have zero idea of the storyline because there is no beginning any more and they just get bored with it all faster and leave. (side rant, sorry).

I recently just bought those 3 mushroom planter plans. The 3-tiered one I dropped the big bucks for. The other 2 were not that bad for a new furniture plan. I was more surprised by the price for a lot of the new Breton pieces but that was ok too... bought what I could and will get the others when I can. Don't think my houses are going anywhere.

I have to wonder... if the people farming are doing it to get the plans for themselves or to sell and enjoy the high values themselves, and want the drop rate raised to cash in while they can? Or are those who luck into duplicates going to sell the duplicate at a much lower value and not be 'predatory'?

Motifs drop so much now that their value has so decreased most of them aren't even worth listing and I'm ok with that too.

Just play the game. If the farming gets tedious then do something else for a bit and go back to it. Sometimes I think people actually are addicted to the hunt but then complain about it.

Perfectly worded.

xencthlu · June 23

BretonMage wrote: »

Yes, I'd like to get these antiquities unlocked and furnishing plans some time before I die of old age, thank you.

LunaFlora wrote: »

looting containers for years is tedious.
doing hundreds of daily quests only to get a few plans is tedious.
digging up hundreds of treasure map chests to maybe get a furnishing lead is tedious.

drop chances for furniture should be increased.
i love to play the game to have fun and decorating houses is fun, opening containers that nearly always contain nothing i need is not fun.

aza_sel wrote: »

check TTC, the epic mushroom planter is at 40 millions, ah yes, assume you are not playing ESO? make 40 millions in a day? or week?
of cause the price will go down but i dont want to wait 6 months to buy the plans at rolis or at an acceptable price, even blue ones are listed at 400 000 gold

Hello friends. Just popping in to say I see, understand, and agree with your points: it takes a dozen hours and several characters to earn just one plan of the plans just released, and for people who have full time jobs and real life commitments, a dozen hours of play time can amount to an entire real time week. Worse, with the Alinor structurals, it's not enough to get one plan. To build a house, players are going to need to have most of the set already, so anyone who has builds in mind for these plans, they're looking at multiple weeks or months of dedicated work before they can actually enjoy these new features added to the game. Too bad in that time and for that work they're almost certainly going to get duplicates. And that's setting aside that these are plans; there's additional work to be done grinding out the materials (don't get me started,) grinding out the gold for the house, unlocking the house via achievements, and placing everything the proper way within the house. That's a lot. A better ratio might be something like one an hour, the way you can expect gear to work for doing a dungeon or trial. We'd be pretty suspicious if Zenimax started selling trial and dungeon gear for crowns, then inflated dungeons and trial completion times to 4 hours.

Obviously asking for something for free, no work, would be asking for an unlimited number of these furnishings to be available in the housing editor for 0 gold, which I see no one is doing. Or even, perhaps, asking for a predecorated house for free. Any decorator knows proper placement is one of those hard-earned skills. Yep, the points here seem both reasonable to me, and simple to understand. The drop rate of the newest plans almost seems designed to not be for decorators at all, but for economic purposes. I don't think it stimulates activity in zones with this problem long term. Necrom and its dailies are pretty abandoned, with their comparable drop rates. So I'm not sure what the intended design outcome for this decision was, if not to enable decorators to make new builds.

Friends, your time and energy is limited and valuable. Spend it on people who act like it and disregard people who don't.

Kickimanjaro · June 23

ESO_player123 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

most housing players actually want to use furniture plans and not wait for years to find them.

Exactly. I've been wanting for years to have those planters with mushrooms. According to TTC, there are only 3 (three) purple plans in guild traders on PCNA after 2 weeks. The asking price? 10, 15, and 20 mil.

FYI: I found one of those tiered mushroom planters from one of the urns behind the vendors in the Infinite Archive. Selling it tripled my money and I was happy about that but figured I'd share the source since I wasn't sure if it was known or whatever. I have now made it habit to just zone in and check those few containers after doing my writs now, just in case I get lucky twice. I was surprised because I only expected the new stuff to drop in the zones where they added new things, but it seems that's not the case?

Lugaldu · June 23

Munkfist wrote: »

I will always prefer the dopamine rush of getting a chase item over being spoonfed.

The game is already very easy, some time-consuming farms for high value, highly sought after rewards isn't a big ask.

Good for you when you are happy that way. There are other people who dont have much time for playing and it is absolutely no fun when you have to spend your rare playtime repeating the same Summerset dailies/ looting same NPCs/ containiers over and over again just to get maybe 1-2 new furnishing plans instead of actually playing and enjoying the game.

Munkfist · June 23

Lugaldu wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

I will always prefer the dopamine rush of getting a chase item over being spoonfed.

The game is already very easy, some time-consuming farms for high value, highly sought after rewards isn't a big ask.

Good for you when you are happy that way. There are other people who dont have much time for playing and it is absolutely no fun when you have to spend your rare playtime repeating the same Summerset dailies/ looting same NPCs/ containiers over and over again just to get maybe 1-2 new furnishing plans instead of actually playing and enjoying the game.

Or, save up some gold and buy them. There are options.

Noone is forcing anyone to get these plans, but everyone seems to want them with little effort.

Why not continue to play and enjoy the game?

heaven13 · June 23

It's one thing for a lead or plan to be somewhat rare, another thing entirely where only like 2 or 3 exist on the entire server because they are SO rare. It shouldn't take literal years and RNG if you want to find a plan. And the absolutely RNG kills me in that I can often just get base game plans from completely random zones (khajiit stuff in glenumbra, dark elf in summerset, etc). It's just a horribly designed system that rewards a lucky few only.

I don't want to be spoonfed, but I do want to have a reasonable shot at getting the things I am looking for.

ESO_player123 · June 23

Kickimanjaro wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Munkfist wrote: »

The rarity of furniture drops is always welcome. The game is becoming too easy, too trivial to get everything now.

I hope they keep drop rates where they are at so that those of us who enjoy working towards something aren't just being spoonfed as most of the playerbase seem wish these days.

most housing players actually want to use furniture plans and not wait for years to find them.

Exactly. I've been wanting for years to have those planters with mushrooms. According to TTC, there are only 3 (three) purple plans in guild traders on PCNA after 2 weeks. The asking price? 10, 15, and 20 mil.

FYI: I found one of those tiered mushroom planters from one of the urns behind the vendors in the Infinite Archive. Selling it tripled my money and I was happy about that but figured I'd share the source since I wasn't sure if it was known or whatever. I have now made it habit to just zone in and check those few containers after doing my writs now, just in case I get lucky twice. I was surprised because I only expected the new stuff to drop in the zones where they added new things, but it seems that's not the case?

Thank you for sharing this. I had a hunch that that might be the case since some other posters mentioned finding new bird posts outside of Glenumbra. I do not remember reading in the patch notes that they can be sourced throughout Tamrriel, so was not sure (may be missed that part).

noblecron · June 23

I haven't even seen the furnishing plans nor have I even seen them in guild traders. The drop rates needed to be upped a bit

CatalinaWineMixer2 · June 23

Just do what I do, accept your terrible RNG, wait a month for everyone else to farm it to death and buy it cheap in the traders.

noblecron · June 23

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Just do what I do, accept your terrible RNG, wait a month for everyone else to farm it to death and buy it cheap in the traders.

What I normally do