Interesting opinion bc Wrothgar's main quest is widely considered to be one of the best pieces of story content the game has.

Heydan_Seegil wrote: »

I never bought this DLC and just started it. This is as hard of a slog as the Eboneheart Pact storyline. These Orcs are a pitiful excuse for Orcs. I have to win every battle for them and they don't even duel honorably with each other. I mean, their "King", does someone dirty in the Throne Room before they can even draw their own weapon.

I am having trouble finishing the Wrothgar Storyline. Please someone tell me Malacath destroys these idiots? I am not even an Orc. I'm an Imperial and I actually prefer the Bretons but... like.... dude... this is just... sad. It is like I am witnessing the shared PTSD of the Orcs who suffered such a moral defeat that they don't even know who they really are.

I hope the next DLC is better. I only purchased the ones that came with extra goodies so now I get to do all the pure storyline ones.

i was flabberghasted when i died towards end of that questline for the first time

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I'm not sure where your personal interpretation of orcs comes from, but I really appreciated the nuance and context that DLC provided for Tamriel orcs, their various factions, and the history of various efforts to build or maintain Orsinium.

Also, quests in ESO generally try to make you the hero and give you heroic feats for your allies to depend on you for. Sometimes they mix it up where you're assisting a greater force.

And I think many orcs may share your opinion of the King's actions like with any royal. Not everyone agrees, especially when it comes to Orsinium.

Excuse me. King Emric didn't need me to fight his brother for him because he was to much of a coward to fight the duel himself. I have my doubts about the Elven Queen but those are of an entirely different type. Not every quest line or faction or whatever forces me into this role of being their hero because they are complete cowards. Only the two who boast the most about how fearless and tough they are which so far for me has been Eboneheart Pact and Trinnimac Orcs have.

Thankfully Narvas sent me to a Malacath cult house in Orcisnium. I was loosing my mind. It isn't that I am in agreement with how those who follow Malacath live. It is that I become overwhelmed with pitty for the Trinnimac cultist because they are so sad and depressing. It is a total buzz kill and it is bringing me down. You know what I mean? It isn't that they are "bad people" it is just that they suck or whatever at life.

Heydan_Seegil wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I'm not sure where your personal interpretation of orcs comes from, but I really appreciated the nuance and context that DLC provided for Tamriel orcs, their various factions, and the history of various efforts to build or maintain Orsinium.

Also, quests in ESO generally try to make you the hero and give you heroic feats for your allies to depend on you for. Sometimes they mix it up where you're assisting a greater force.

And I think many orcs may share your opinion of the King's actions like with any royal. Not everyone agrees, especially when it comes to Orsinium.

Excuse me. King Emric didn't need me to fight his brother for him because he was to much of a coward to fight the duel himself. I have my doubts about the Elven Queen but those are of an entirely different type. Not every quest line or faction or whatever forces me into this role of being their hero because they are complete cowards. Only the two who boast the most about how fearless and tough they are which so far for me has been Eboneheart Pact and Trinnimac Orcs have.

Thankfully Narvas sent me to a Malacath cult house in Orcisnium. I was loosing my mind. It isn't that I am in agreement with how those who follow Malacath live. It is that I become overwhelmed with pitty for the Trinnimac cultist because they are so sad and depressing. It is a total buzz kill and it is bringing me down. You know what I mean? It isn't that they are "bad people" it is just that they suck or whatever at life.

As we said, you have to keep playing. Not going to spoil it, but I will say that at some point in the respective story lines, both the Orc King and the Skald King get into the thick of the action, and they're not exactly slouches (at least, as far as any companion NPC goes - they're not up to the player standard, but you could just stand back holding block and still finish the game in a timely manner if they were).

I played ESO DLC stories as "spot the unbearable character" - you can usually spot it since the beginning and in the end it will "reveal" as the bad guy.

It's sad 'cause it takes away from the actual story, which I then easily dismissed since I already know from the start where you want me to go with this...

Funnily enough, while lots of players hated High Isle for that reason, I am a rare one who did't catch the bad guy in that story and could enjoy it more than others.
To me Blackwood and Greymoor years' arcs were the worst offenders/most boring for said reason; but yeah in Orsinium you can get the feel early of what's to come, in fact you even reach the point you are hoping for it to happen, otherwise you'd go on a spree in Sithis name XD

AetherialXL wrote: »

what do you expect, they are orcs the most hated race on Nirn.

Um, excuse me, I happen to adore orcs. They make quality arms and armors. I just don't approve of all the violence. Nonetheless, it is completely creepy to meet an Orc not asking for a "good death" who is waiting to die of old age. It just ain't natural.

Edit: Plus, I think less people play Redguard than Orc across all games ever except of course Redguard because you have to be a Redguard in that one.

Ordinator199 wrote: »

You have to win every battle for every race in eso, doesn't matter which, This isn't witcher 3, its not a game for depth of writing and most of it is gen z'd squeeky voice *** meme like, its an mmo.

I disagree. King Emric fought for himself while he sent me to fight other battles because the Daggerfall Covenant was getting attacked on multiple fronts from what I remember. Queen Aryenn also didn't need saving or for me to fight their duels for them but she isn't as important to Tamriel as King Camoran Aeradan. Sadly, she just doesn't really matter and she is also overly dependent on Raz to solve all her problems making King Emric the only real choice during the uncertain times of the 2nd Era as he doesn't rely on just one person or even the Vestige to solve all his problems. As for the side stories Vivec was dying and you cannot begrudge someone in the infirmary for asking for help and so on. So it really is just the Nords and the Orcs who are cowards.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Heydan_Seegil wrote: »

Ordinator199 wrote: »

You have to win every battle for every race in eso, doesn't matter which, This isn't witcher 3, its not a game for depth of writing and most of it is gen z'd squeeky voice *** meme like, its an mmo.

I disagree. King Emric fought for himself while he sent me to fight other battles because the Daggerfall Covenant was getting attacked on multiple fronts from what I remember. Queen Aryenn also didn't need saving or for me to fight their duels for them but she isn't as important to Tamriel as King Camoran Aeradan. Sadly, she just doesn't really matter and she is also overly dependent on Raz to solve all her problems making King Emric the only real choice during the uncertain times of the 2nd Era as he doesn't rely on just one person or even the Vestige to solve all his problems. As for the side stories Vivec was dying and you cannot begrudge someone in the infirmary for asking for help and so on. So it really is just the Nords and the Orcs who are cowards.

How does Aryenn not matter? How is she less important than King Camoran. She's literally his leader after saving his kingdom.

Uhhh, they literally tell you it at the end when you convince Valenwood that they have to remain in the Altmeri Dominion. What's her name cries because she learns that the Wood Elves are like the single most important group of people during the Plane Meld Crisis. At least that was my take away but then I want to marry a Bosmeri woman so... I am bias.

Grafahel wrote: »

I loved how Wrothgar portrayed Orcs as multidimensional beings with depth, beforehand I was sort of fearing it would just be an entire DLC of 'Gurgblurg go smash!' but it turned out to be far more interesting. To each their own I suppose.
Also, it's not that common for rulers to be charging into battle on the front lines, a ruler usually requires more skills than knowing how to fight. A good ruler, that is. And as for Orsinium, the story will have to unfold.

I never said King Emric fought in the front line. He just delegated power so he could act as a general or king elsewhere while I fought a different battle for him. He's also the only protagonist who doesn't rely on the same people. He has the most number of NPCs helpers during the storyline. Not the most help over all but the most number of different helpers. It isn't all just Raz doing literally everything or running around with the Jarl for an entire adventure. Until the very end of the Daggerfall Covenant quest line King Emric is kind of aloof or an off to the side character and then around when he sends you to deal with the Ogres he starts to communicate more directly with you. The others start off the who show by acting like you're their equal and friend. It is a weakness. I don't mean to sound mean because I'd totally kick it and be friends with Queen Aryeen but she's way to personal for a Queen and way too in experienced. It is no point in even mentioning the Eboneheart Pact because they literally aren't even capable enough to attempt a claim. They don't have Raz to do everything and the Jarl isn't capable enough on his own to manage it.


Anyway, back on topic.... I do like they rounded out the Orcs but I still don't like these types of Orcs. They're unsettling.

Heydan_Seegil wrote: »

Grafahel wrote: »

I loved how Wrothgar portrayed Orcs as multidimensional beings with depth, beforehand I was sort of fearing it would just be an entire DLC of 'Gurgblurg go smash!' but it turned out to be far more interesting. To each their own I suppose.
Also, it's not that common for rulers to be charging into battle on the front lines, a ruler usually requires more skills than knowing how to fight. A good ruler, that is. And as for Orsinium, the story will have to unfold.

I never said King Emric fought in the front line. He just delegated power so he could act as a general or king elsewhere while I fought a different battle for him. He's also the only protagonist who doesn't rely on the same people. He has the most number of NPCs helpers during the storyline. Not the most help over all but the most number of different helpers. It isn't all just Raz doing literally everything or running around with the Jarl for an entire adventure. Until the very end of the Daggerfall Covenant quest line King Emric is kind of aloof or an off to the side character and then around when he sends you to deal with the Ogres he starts to communicate more directly with you. The others start off the who show by acting like you're their equal and friend. It is a weakness. I don't mean to sound mean because I'd totally kick it and be friends with Queen Aryeen but she's way to personal for a Queen and way too in experienced. It is no point in even mentioning the Eboneheart Pact because they literally aren't even capable enough to attempt a claim. They don't have Raz to do everything and the Jarl isn't capable enough on his own to manage it.

I'm still going to disagree with you on their character and leadership, but I will point out that to a large extent their storylines are hamstrung by what we know the long-term results of their efforts will be (See Skyrim). The leaders of both the AD and EP had to be somewhat atypical of their races in order to bring multiple races together in a coalition, and pretty strong-willed to pull it off at all. But at the end of the day both efforts fail as we see in Skyrim. You also get to see more of Ayrenne in the High Isle stuff, which is where Jorunn gets really wimpy. There was some talk that this might have been a side effect of not having the VA available, but I don't know if that was true or not. Ayrenne is actually a pretty good swash-buckler, though - she'd make a great pirate captain.