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DK Balance

wilsonwjesse
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Flame Lash
Because Flame Lash cannot be stored out of combat for instant ganks like Relentless Focus, it is fine for it to remain strong. However, the current AoE burst is too forgiving and doesn't let you roll dodge out of it.

1.Make Flame Lash single-target and give it a 4 second DoT that extends the duration if it's already applied.
2. Make fully stacked Molten Whip the AoE morph for players who want to maximize AoE synergy because you can't spam it on people who are roll dodging with it since it only hits once every rotation.

Heart of Flame/Soul of Flame
Heart of flame lets you get all sustain from one ability that cannot be interrupted, can be used while blocking to permablock, does not cost health, heals you, pays for it's magicka cost, and can be used as part of a burst combo.

At maximum value, it can restore up to 45% of both resources every 5 seconds. If a player has around 40k total resources, the recovery value is extremely high. Even after accounting for Major Recovery buffs and comparing it to Mundus Stone recovery/power values, the sustain can be worth thousands of weapon and spell damage worth of recovery. Even in a more realistic situation where the player casts it around half resources, it can still be worth over well over 2,000 weapon/spell damage worth of sustain.

A good nerf would be to reduce the resource return by at least one-third while the player is not immune to disabling effects. This makes it less effective outside of combat and would create counterplay: a person or coordinated team could avoid CCing the target for about 30 seconds until they start having resource issues from relying too heavily on one ability for all their sustain.
  • Urzigurumash
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    Making it Single Target will make it 30% stronger against someone with both Evasions. Whether thats better or worse than being roll dodgeable depends on the spec and how many DKs youre fighting really. Right now we got 3 team BGs so its usually like 7 Whips at once

    Inhale cant be nerfed hard enough, your idea sounds great.

    Edited by Urzigurumash on June 13, 2026 5:11PM
    Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast
  • Usureki
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    Are we not going to talk about how a singular skill grants them:
    1. Knocback
    2. Stun
    3. Both melee AoE
    4. 50% damage reduction against EVERY ranged projectile
    5. Major Expedition
    6. possibly additional snare immunity
    7. possibly Minor Protection AND an ADDITIONAL 25% damage reduction against EVERY ranged projectile
    For other classes this one stuff is segregated into 3 different abilities costing 3 times resources and time to implement. What in Oblivion is that?!

    I mean I know Sheogorath is crazy and funny and all but the great Men and Mer responsible for balancing this were clearly smoking an insane amount of Skooma. And this is not a mischief for one update, this is a thing we have to live with from now on :cold_sweat:
  • rlindsey912nub18_ESO
    Don’t worry bro not that big of a problem just wait those 2 years and everything will be perfectly balanced lol
  • mmtaniac
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    More classes will get refresh less problems with DK's balance will be.
    Edited by mmtaniac on June 14, 2026 4:50AM
  • JohnRingo
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    mmtaniac wrote: »
    More classes will get refresh less problems with DK's balance will be.

    Simple and correctly stated.
  • Nordstern
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    Dks are a joke compared to the reworked werewolf, which is insanely easy to play and almost immortal if done right.
  • wilsonwjesse
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    Usureki wrote: »
    Are we not going to talk about how a singular skill grants them:
    1. Knocback
    2. Stun
    3. Both melee AoE
    4. 50% damage reduction against EVERY ranged projectile
    5. Major Expedition
    6. possibly additional snare immunity
    7. possibly Minor Protection AND an ADDITIONAL 25% damage reduction against EVERY ranged projectile
    For other classes this one stuff is segregated into 3 different abilities costing 3 times resources and time to implement. What in Oblivion is that?!

    I mean I know Sheogorath is crazy and funny and all but the great Men and Mer responsible for balancing this were clearly smoking an insane amount of Skooma. And this is not a mischief for one update, this is a thing we have to live with from now on :cold_sweat:

    I thought the 25% only applied to your other group members... that seems crazy. 75% is insane.
  • Usureki
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    mmtaniac wrote: »
    More classes will get refresh less problems with DK's balance will be.

    Yes. My class is scheduled by the end of 2027. :cry:

    I'm having difficulties in understanding why would these reworks would take so long... My hope is that they plan to add so many other things.. and well.. looking at u49 and u50 it might be just the case, looking at all the awesome things we have received so far.. oo but waiting for so long for a refresh is such a banger! ><"
  • nightbringer1993
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    Usureki wrote: »
    mmtaniac wrote: »
    More classes will get refresh less problems with DK's balance will be.

    Yes. My class is scheduled by the end of 2027. :cry:

    I'm having difficulties in understanding why would these reworks would take so long... My hope is that they plan to add so many other things.. and well.. looking at u49 and u50 it might be just the case, looking at all the awesome things we have received so far.. oo but waiting for so long for a refresh is such a banger! ><"

    I play necromancer, and because my class is destroyed and because they insulted us when they told us that our class wouldn’t be refreshed before winter 2027 and that I saw how OP that DK is due to its refresh, I decided to stop investing in this game and leave.

    Five years of nerfs and we are still being treated like trash. It is too depressing to see other class being made even more powerful compared to mine, so if it is to play a game to feel bad, better not play at all.

    I am still participating on these forums hoping devs see reason, because people are paying for that class and at the end are forced to drop it, this is unacceptable.
    PC EU
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