Need another real campaign

Beaverton · June 13

What am I supposed to do while I wait in a queue for 1 1/2 hours? I used to hop in Blackreach but the Vengance campaign holds very little interest to me. Could we please get another campaign. Maybe a week long campaign.

RaidingTraiding · June 13

I play with a group of friends every Friday night, we would always start off in br while we wait for our gh queues to pop. The fights were actually pretty decent in br and often times we would actually end up having more fun in there because the fights were better and the performance was often a step above gh (nowhere near perfect though).

We had to cancel this last Friday because of the long queues. About half of us don't get home until at least 7:30 central. 3 of us sat through the queue to get a good handle on the actual queue time (the little tooltip maxes out at 1hour+). One person queued way early at 6:24 PM CST and got in 1 hour 30 minutes later at 7:54. One person queued closer to when some of our folks would realistically get home at 7:24, they didn't get in until 9:11, so that was 1 hour 47 minutes. I queued at 7:08 pm and didn't get in until 9:01 pm, so that was a 1 hour 53 minute queue for me. Also by the time I got in there, the fights were winding down.

Safe to say we won't be pvping on Fridays anymore because of it. It's just too unrealistic to sit through 2 hour queues when half of our friends can't even queue early in anticipation. And for the folks who can queue early there's nothing to do in the mean time. Some people's computers can't handle tabbing out and playing another game, and none of us have any interest whatsoever in being forced to play vengeance. We tried the test multiple times and we hated it and had no fun for a variety of different reasons. On top of all that, we've experienced the queue bug often, so sitting through a queue that long and having that happen later in the queue would effectively rule that person out of pvp for the day. So now either, we try to reschedule to a different day or we just stop playing all together.

Also because of the faction lock on gh, we can only pvp with toons from one faction. One of the nice things about br was that we could go in on any faction. As a final note I think it's very telling when you go to a random overland zone like Vvardenfell, and people in say chat are talking about how much they miss br.

BetweenMidgets · June 13

I had a similar experience.

Until Blackreach was taken down, my small man group had no intention of quitting PVP.
Now that the GH queue is even larger than it was before the release of Vengeance, we have no where to go, as none of us have interest in Vengeance.

Instead, we are no longer PVPing.

Necrotech_Master · June 13

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

BetweenMidgets · June 14

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

Nordstern · June 14

Theres no downside at all for the game experience if they just added one more proper campaign. I guess they made it this way to get more people to try out vengeance.

ADawg · June 14

Nordstern wrote: »

Theres no downside at all for the game experience if they just added one more proper campaign. I guess they made it this way to get more people to try out vengeance.

except people have a thing called FREE WILL.

When they force a bad idea (that was overwhelmingly criticized by PVPers) the PVPers can choose to either wait for the impossible que, or go to another activity/game.

This will self correct soon.

As for me, my wallet stays closed until this is resolved

Goregram1 · June 14

Just do BGs

Necrotech_Master · June 14

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

well having blackreach available before clearly wasnt working, so i doubt adding more campaigns will really change anything

i get that some people dont want to do vengeance, but that also doesnt explain why people would rather wait in hour+ long queues when we did have blackreach available

my main point is if you dont want to wait in a queue there is another campaign available (yes i know veng is a different ruleset at this point, but even when blackreach was available people didnt go there even though it was the same rules as GH minus the faction locks)

so even if they did add blackreach back, how many people do you think would go there instead of just waiting in the GH queue still?

JohnRingo · June 14

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

well having blackreach available before clearly wasnt working, so i doubt adding more campaigns will really change anything

i get that some people dont want to do vengeance, but that also doesnt explain why people would rather wait in hour+ long queues when we did have blackreach available

my main point is if you dont want to wait in a queue there is another campaign available (yes i know veng is a different ruleset at this point, but even when blackreach was available people didnt go there even though it was the same rules as GH minus the faction locks)

so even if they did add blackreach back, how many people do you think would go there instead of just waiting in the GH queue still?

Your “main quote” is precisely what prior posters explained is NOT the main point here. Vengeance is not a viable option for most.

Necrotech_Master · June 15

JohnRingo wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

well having blackreach available before clearly wasnt working, so i doubt adding more campaigns will really change anything

i get that some people dont want to do vengeance, but that also doesnt explain why people would rather wait in hour+ long queues when we did have blackreach available

my main point is if you dont want to wait in a queue there is another campaign available (yes i know veng is a different ruleset at this point, but even when blackreach was available people didnt go there even though it was the same rules as GH minus the faction locks)

so even if they did add blackreach back, how many people do you think would go there instead of just waiting in the GH queue still?

Your “main quote” is precisely what prior posters explained is NOT the main point here. Vengeance is not a viable option for most.

and my main point is when we had blackreach, it did not seem to affect people who were still waiting in long GH queues

if people were using blackreach as a "waiting room" before, it should have been at least 3 bars population if there were 80 people in the queue, but it was barely cresting 1 bar most days even during the heavy GH queues

so my ask is why all of the complaining now, when long GH queues arent new, but when we had blackreach it was still dead during the long queue times even though it should have had 3 bar pops minimum if everyone waiting in queue was actually in blackreach?

basically why the extreme vengeance hate now, but not using the previously existing options when they were available? (and yes i know that question probably doesnt apply the same to everyone, but thats the general feeling im getting when im reading most of these threads)

Arrow312 · June 15

The queue on PC EU only was such high when it was MYM, otherwise it was a moderate queue. Now we have every day MYM queue and no other real option if you dont want to play Vengence or else. So i would say that BR will be a dead camp for now.

GH
BR
Veng

This would be perfect and everyone is happy.

JonesHeathen · June 15

I second this.

Queue is insane.
Unless it was intentional to remove other campaigns to force people into Vengeance and then have a valid reason to say that people are playing that excuse of a campaign.

SaffronCitrusflower · June 15

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

I had a similar experience.

Until Blackreach was taken down, my small man group had no intention of quitting PVP.
Now that the GH queue is even larger than it was before the release of Vengeance, we have no where to go, as none of us have interest in Vengeance.

Instead, we are no longer PVPing.

This is the situation we all told ZOS was going to be created by vengeance. They didn't care and didn't listen.

SaffronCitrusflower · June 15

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

well having blackreach available before clearly wasnt working, so i doubt adding more campaigns will really change anything

i get that some people dont want to do vengeance, but that also doesnt explain why people would rather wait in hour+ long queues when we did have blackreach available

my main point is if you dont want to wait in a queue there is another campaign available (yes i know veng is a different ruleset at this point, but even when blackreach was available people didnt go there even though it was the same rules as GH minus the faction locks)

so even if they did add blackreach back, how many people do you think would go there instead of just waiting in the GH queue still?

I'm confident we'd see Blackreach pop capped during the week now days, judging by the triple digit queues even during the week now. And vengeance is almost never above 1 bar population and has never reached three bars or pop lock.....for a reason.

Necrotech_Master · June 16

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

for the last year blackreach has had barely above 1 bar pops even when the GH queue was over 80

if the GH queue was more than 20, i didnt go to GH, but i also didnt go to blackreach cause it was basically dead

(i generally preferred blackreach or nocp but both have been dead for the last year)

personally been enjoying vengeance more mostly because of the lack of toxic builds/playstyles and the generally better balance

Yes, don't worry, we are all well aware of your opinion, as you have posted it in every thread even remotely resembling this topic, and yet you have yet to provide a solution to the problem we are all expressing.

Greyhost needs an overflow. As far as many of us are concerned, 2 hour queues in order to PVP at all are not acceptable. As many of us have previously stated in other threads, for various different reasons we do not want to engage with Vengeance. I am glad you are, but as this is a "play how you want!" game, if we do not like it, we are not going to be forced into it.

For those of us that do not like Vengeance, there is no option for us to PVP outside of waiting through a ridiculous queue.

Please, on a good faith basis, engage with what we are openly expressing to ZOS, instead of trying to shoehorn us in to whatever you are currently finding enjoyable. And if you don't have the ability to look at things from another persons perspective, you could, perhaps, refrain from commenting.

well having blackreach available before clearly wasnt working, so i doubt adding more campaigns will really change anything

i get that some people dont want to do vengeance, but that also doesnt explain why people would rather wait in hour+ long queues when we did have blackreach available

my main point is if you dont want to wait in a queue there is another campaign available (yes i know veng is a different ruleset at this point, but even when blackreach was available people didnt go there even though it was the same rules as GH minus the faction locks)

so even if they did add blackreach back, how many people do you think would go there instead of just waiting in the GH queue still?

I'm confident we'd see Blackreach pop capped during the week now days, judging by the triple digit queues even during the week now. And vengeance is almost never above 1 bar population and has never reached three bars or pop lock.....for a reason.

vengeance pops are 3x that of grey host, so 2 bars of vengeance is at least 1 full instance of grey host + extra (since the bars have a big range, 2 bars is a minimum of 1 GH poplock worth, 3 bars would be 2 full GH poplocks, pop lock in veng is at least 3 GH poplocks)

so trying to compare bar populations is almost apples to oranges

i think at least a good chunk of the sweaty pvp population does not want to play vengance which is why the queues are so bad, but like i noted even adding blackreach people were not using it before when it was an option even with a triple digit GH queue, theres no guarantee it would be used if it was added back