werwolf is op nerf the damage and the Movement speed

Fantalior · June 14

Seriously, Update 50 is absolute crap. Just look at the distance from which a werewolf spots me, even with Shadow Cloak active. A 42k-health tank shouldn't be that fast, able to constantly reveal enemies, *and* kill someone in three hits—the balance is completely off. Glass cannons and gankers don't stand a chance; you guys need to do something about this. Simply disabling the reveal mechanic would be enough.

IncultaWolf · June 14

Wait your turn for the nightblade rework next year 🐺

WerewolfMoonHunter · June 14

No! Werewolf are finaly as powerful as they should.

duagloth · June 14

No,its finally competitive

Luneca · June 14

IncultaWolf wrote: »

Wait your turn for the nightblade rework next year 🐺

Are we sure there will be a next year at this rate...?

Rohamad_Ali · June 15

Luneca wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

Wait your turn for the nightblade rework next year 🐺

Are we sure there will be a next year at this rate...?

We should be asking if we really want an update. When was the last time it worked out for us like it did for werewolf?

RaikaNA · June 15

Fantalior wrote: »

Seriously, Update 50 is absolute crap. Just look at the distance from which a werewolf spots me, even with Shadow Cloak active. A 42k-health tank shouldn't be that fast, able to constantly reveal enemies, *and* kill someone in three hits—the balance is completely off. Glass cannons and gankers don't stand a chance; you guys need to do something about this. Simply disabling the reveal mechanic would be enough.

What are you talking about? U50 is great! Werewolves are now FUN to play. Yeah, what's so wrong with adding a "sniffing" feature that allows werewolves to actually sniff out its prey? Are you gankers now whining about not being able to gank werewolves? Too bad... find another prey to gank on.

If you're getting killed in 2 to 3 hits... then perhaps you need to examine your own build... if you're running around with a glass canon.. what do you expect will happen? You're mad that we now have a reveal mechanic that renders you glass canons obsolete.

Fantalior · June 15

WerewolfMoonHunter wrote: »

No! Werewolf are finaly as powerful as they should.

So, what are the downsides of being a werewolf? There are no real resource costs, allowing you to sprint indefinitely and at high speed, and to reveal others...

Nordstern · June 15

While I think it's great that they can reveal those hiding in stealth, werewolf overall definitely needs a huge nerf. It can stack way over 40k hp and thereby be unkillable and at the same time deal insane damage. If it was one of the two, okay, but cant have both

Nordstern · June 15

duagloth wrote: »

No,its finally competitive

Competetive

They're just way overtuned. The forum was full of people crying for months about dk and the problem with dk was the damage. Now werewolf got the same insane damage but is also unkillable at the same time (if built right).

Fantalior · June 15

- Massive damage
- extremely tanky
- very low cost, allowing for good resource management, which leads to...
- high mobility.

That’s quite something; personally, I think the mobility and damage are the areas that should be targeted.

RaikaNA · June 15

Nordstern wrote: »

While I think it's great that they can reveal those hiding in stealth, werewolf overall definitely needs a huge nerf. It can stack way over 40k hp and thereby be unkillable and at the same time deal insane damage. If it was one of the two, okay, but cant have both

Werewolves had been dealing with an insane nerf for such a long time now. It was past due for a buff, and thanks to U50, it did. Again, like I told Fantalior, you can't expect to walk around in Cyrodill with a glass canon build and not expect to get killed from 2 to 3 hits. You need to boost your resistance to at least a bare minimum of 20k each.

If you and Fantalior are making accusations of U50 werewolves of overperforming... provide proof. Show us the logs and make sure to submit a screenshot of your build setup using an addon like Superstar, so we can both figure out the flaws of your build, and to stop blaming on other things.

FurryCandyHearts · June 15

not every speed runner is a werewolf but is every werewolf a speed runner?

Tommy_The_Gun · June 15

When it comes to detecting enemies - yes, that I can agree. WW detection is kinda OP as It is basically free detection potion. But detection potion is a consumable, so it makes sense for it to be strong counter to stealth. But WW has it for free, so it makes logical sense that it should not be as powerful as detection potion.

I would either change the WW detection so it would only reveal "regular" crouch stealth and not magic-based invisibility - which should be its own separate effect.

Alternately, it would make sense for a WW to only be able to "sniff out " (detect) enemy player who was fighting you recently within certain amount of time (like max X minutes ago etc).

Fantalior wrote: »

WerewolfMoonHunter wrote: »

No! Werewolf are finaly as powerful as they should.

So, what are the downsides of being a werewolf? There are no real resource costs, allowing you to sprint indefinitely and at high speed, and to reveal others...

Biggest flaw is still no CC removal and negative effect removal. WW was always prone (and still is) to snares & cc which makes it slowest spec in the game. I guess nothing changed in that department.

VinnyGambini · June 15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtbITjCW-4

Finally fun to play? What's fun in destroying every opponent in 3 seconds? Not to mention WW is 1 bar class, super easy to play. Seriously this is fun for you? It's like playing on godmode, like playing vs ppl 20 levels lower than you.

How about you play vs opponents without gear so you will have even more fun? Seriously I don't get this logic. How you can have fun when you have unfair advantage?

Fantalior · June 15

Please stick to the topic; this discussion shouldn't be about specific builds used by individual players, but rather a general problem—namely, that Werewolves are too strong following the latest update. It’s not about discussing how to improve a particular build (or your own); it’s about balancing different playstyles. Personally, I’ve been absolutely wrecking in Battlegrounds with my Werewolf, but ultimately, it still isn't fair.

Fantalior · June 15

Sorry, the comment refers to RaikaNA; the video sums it up very well.

Nordstern · June 15

RaikaNA wrote: »

Nordstern wrote: »

While I think it's great that they can reveal those hiding in stealth, werewolf overall definitely needs a huge nerf. It can stack way over 40k hp and thereby be unkillable and at the same time deal insane damage. If it was one of the two, okay, but cant have both

Werewolves had been dealing with an insane nerf for such a long time now. It was past due for a buff, and thanks to U50, it did. Again, like I told Fantalior, you can't expect to walk around in Cyrodill with a glass canon build and not expect to get killed from 2 to 3 hits. You need to boost your resistance to at least a bare minimum of 20k each.

If you and Fantalior are making accusations of U50 werewolves of overperforming... provide proof. Show us the logs and make sure to submit a screenshot of your build setup using an addon like Superstar, so we can both figure out the flaws of your build, and to stop blaming on other things.

Dont lecture me on the game, I dont run around cyro with 20k resistances or die to 3 hits.
Im not wasting time arguing with someone that obviously needs something as easy to play and as strong as U50 ww and will find any excuse for it not being nerfed. Nobody with just a bit of skill will die 1v1 on a werewolf. That alone is enough reason for it to be nerfed a lot. But thats not even it, they can still deal huge amounts of damage. Everyone knows it, yet you are asking for proof

And VinniGambini even provided you everything you need to know.

RaikaNA · June 15

VinnyGambini wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtbITjCW-4

Finally fun to play? What's fun in destroying every opponent in 3 seconds? Not to mention WW is 1 bar class, super easy to play. Seriously this is fun for you? It's like playing on godmode, like playing vs ppl 20 levels lower than you.

How about you play vs opponents without gear so you will have even more fun? Seriously I don't get this logic. How you can have fun when you have unfair advantage?

According to the video, the person who attempted to hide their build did a pretty bad job of it because their buff addon essentially told everyone what they were wearing at the time of the video.

The person was using a PVE set called Arms of Relequen, and the mythical item is Huntsman's Warmask Set.

Oh, and at the time of the recording... this was recorded on the PTS server... found it strange how everyone in the video was at max CP? 3,600? I've been playing since Beta, and I'm not even close to that number yet.

This is a bad sample of accusing WW of being broken LOL.

RaikaNA · June 15

Nordstern wrote: »

RaikaNA wrote: »

Nordstern wrote: »

While I think it's great that they can reveal those hiding in stealth, werewolf overall definitely needs a huge nerf. It can stack way over 40k hp and thereby be unkillable and at the same time deal insane damage. If it was one of the two, okay, but cant have both

Werewolves had been dealing with an insane nerf for such a long time now. It was past due for a buff, and thanks to U50, it did. Again, like I told Fantalior, you can't expect to walk around in Cyrodill with a glass canon build and not expect to get killed from 2 to 3 hits. You need to boost your resistance to at least a bare minimum of 20k each.

If you and Fantalior are making accusations of U50 werewolves of overperforming... provide proof. Show us the logs and make sure to submit a screenshot of your build setup using an addon like Superstar, so we can both figure out the flaws of your build, and to stop blaming on other things.

Dont lecture me on the game, I dont run around cyro with 20k resistances or die to 3 hits.
Im not wasting time arguing with someone that obviously needs something as easy to play and as strong as U50 ww and will find any excuse for it not being nerfed. Nobody with just a bit of skill will die 1v1 on a werewolf. That alone is enough reason for it to be nerfed a lot. But thats not even it, they can still deal huge amounts of damage. Everyone knows it, yet you are asking for proof And VinniGambini even provided you everything you need to know.

VinniGambini provided a video that was NOT on the LIVE server at the time. It was done on the PTS server.. A lot has changed since then.

And why was the content creator hiding their build setup? Perhabs its a set issue and not the actual werewolf itself? Feel free to show me how massively overpowering the U50 WW is without wearing any sets.

Tommy_The_Gun · June 15

RaikaNA wrote: »

VinnyGambini wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtbITjCW-4

Finally fun to play? What's fun in destroying every opponent in 3 seconds? Not to mention WW is 1 bar class, super easy to play. Seriously this is fun for you? It's like playing on godmode, like playing vs ppl 20 levels lower than you.

How about you play vs opponents without gear so you will have even more fun? Seriously I don't get this logic. How you can have fun when you have unfair advantage?

According to the video, the person who attempted to hide their build did a pretty bad job of it because their buff addon essentially told everyone what they were wearing at the time of the video.

The person was using a PVE set called Arms of Relequen, and the mythical item is Huntsman's Warmask Set.

Oh, and at the time of the recording... this was recorded on the PTS server... found it strange how everyone in the video was at max CP? 3,600? I've been playing since Beta, and I'm not even close to that number yet.

This is a bad sample of accusing WW of being broken LOL.

Not just that. It is a duel, and duel =/= open world Cyro or IC. As for the WW - if you want that OP build, then it is already on YouTube, u just need to find it. And it is not even WW itself , but rather Warden Class Mastery passives.

Tonturri · June 15

Nerf the status effect signet, fix how ridiculously easy health is to get (anyone remember when 20-25k was the usual HP range in pvp?), address outlier masteries, and then look at werewolf. Is it too strong - yes. Skill costs need to be increased (20-30% to start, the heal is fine and the gap closer should be 2k or so tho, being able to run zero sustain is absurd, but bonkers sustain isn't really a WW unique problem), RIp and Tear probably does a bit too much, and the movement speed could potentially use a trim, but other than that I don't think WW needs nerfs. It could even do with some net-neutral changes or small buffs in some areas.

Celas_Dranacea · June 15

Werewolves:

- Cannot cross heal other teammates
- Cannot cross buff other teammates except for a couple buffs in your kit
- Cannot cast shields
- Cannot purge
- Have no weapon passives
- Cannot move as fast as a player using streak
- Have no ability to customize abilities with scribing

biovitalb16_ESO · June 15

From live server since people are "lol @ pts not real"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIhYbKtU_SQ

I'm kinda just baffled that people are trying to pretend like its not busted.

Dalinar4 · June 16

Even though I don't run a WW I can see why people like it where it is. I'm not a fan of specific nerfs. As a rule of thumbs I support broad nerfs and targeted buffs. With WW I just wish they had a more targeted weakness. Some of that will be addressed as we all shuffle our builds around, but I think instead of nerfing their outputs go the other way. Something like increase the dps taken from Flame and Poison dps by a degree. You could also increase the fighter's guild passive increasing dps done to Vamps and WW.

RaikaNA · June 16

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

From live server since people are "lol @ pts not real"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIhYbKtU_SQ

I'm kinda just baffled that people are trying to pretend like it's not busted.

What you see in the video isn't an issue with u50 werewolves... what you see is overperforming proc sets and healing in Cyrodill.

The content creator is playing a werewolf right now because it is the thing. It is to be expected as it's the new toy in the neighborhood...everyone has to have one. Before u50 the YouTuber was playing a DK... Again, look at how overpowering the healing is in Cyrodill. Instead of whining to the developers about how OP the werewolves are and demand that they get nerfed down... why not get to the bottom of it by removing ALL healing abilities that are non-restoration staff so that health pots become an essential part of survivability? DPS should not have this much healing IMO.

So what is the difference between U50 WW and U49 DK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Qwd3uYrVY

sneakymitchell · June 16

even for much as werewolf defending. i was surprise the cost of the resources is pretty low. But they did remove the 30% stamina increase so it be more flexable on builds like tank werewolf or mix of health and stamina.

Also the 30% isnt even that big if you calculate it out and with the old version having super high cost of stamina to use.

I rather keep the slot of 15% stam regen maybe give it little more bump so that way human form when sloting be noticable

Nordstern · June 16

RaikaNA wrote: »

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

From live server since people are "lol @ pts not real"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIhYbKtU_SQ

I'm kinda just baffled that people are trying to pretend like it's not busted.

What you see in the video isn't an issue with u50 werewolves... what you see is overperforming proc sets and healing in Cyrodill.

The content creator is playing a werewolf right now because it is the thing. It is to be expected as it's the new toy in the neighborhood...everyone has to have one. Before u50 the YouTuber was playing a DK... Again, look at how overpowering the healing is in Cyrodill. Instead of whining to the developers about how OP the werewolves are and demand that they get nerfed down... why not get to the bottom of it by removing ALL healing abilities that are non-restoration staff so that health pots become an essential part of survivability? DPS should not have this much healing IMO.

So what is the difference between U50 WW and U49 DK?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Qwd3uYrVY

Sorry but you don't seem to be too much into this game. Whats the difference? DKs were killable. Every single one of them. And there was counterplay with flame resist. If you build a werewolf properly, it has 45k hp, is unkillable solo and still has more damage than U49 dk. But yeah, "it's the sets"

Given the strength of ww right now there would have to be AT LEAST a 50% increase in poison damage to balance it by enabling counter play.

VinnyGambini · June 16

RaikaNA wrote: »

VinnyGambini wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtbITjCW-4

Finally fun to play? What's fun in destroying every opponent in 3 seconds? Not to mention WW is 1 bar class, super easy to play. Seriously this is fun for you? It's like playing on godmode, like playing vs ppl 20 levels lower than you.

How about you play vs opponents without gear so you will have even more fun? Seriously I don't get this logic. How you can have fun when you have unfair advantage?

According to the video, the person who attempted to hide their build did a pretty bad job of it because their buff addon essentially told everyone what they were wearing at the time of the video.

The person was using a PVE set called Arms of Relequen, and the mythical item is Huntsman's Warmask Set.

Oh, and at the time of the recording... this was recorded on the PTS server... found it strange how everyone in the video was at max CP? 3,600? I've been playing since Beta, and I'm not even close to that number yet.

This is a bad sample of accusing WW of being broken LOL.

Well, for your info his actual build is aerie cry, serpent disdain and shatered paths signet. And guess what? He's even more OP right now.

Video is from PTS, because it's the best video I've found displaying how broken WW is. IS not WAS. It IS still dealing 10k dps in PvP easily, having infinite susatin and crazy tankiness. Oh I forgot about mobility.

Seriously, stop pretending everything is fine.

X94 · June 16

They should have updated all classes at once instead of one at a time with a long period inbetween, we are going to have a completely broken game for like 2 years before all other classes are updated and balances have been made.....

Oblivion_Protocol · June 16

Nordstern wrote: »

Sorry but you don't seem to be too much into this game. Whats the difference? DKs were killable. Every single one of them. And there was counterplay with flame resist. If you build a werewolf properly, it has 45k hp, is unkillable solo and still has more damage than U49 dk. But yeah, "it's the sets"

I’m not sure whether you knew this about the game, but sets are part of building properly. I keep hearing these arguments that go, “a well built WW with a good player can kill everyone, so it needs to be nerfed!” But good players on solid builds should be hard to kill, if not nearly impossible. I want my skill rewarded. I’m not here for some kumbaya hold-holding “everyone can die to everything regardless of skill level” gameplay.

Show me footage of a completely naked WW dominating everyone with no build, and then we can talk about it being broken. Until then, as a great man once said, “Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.”