Major Brittle from Tundra's Maw cleansing and/or not applying properly.

MSattrtand · June 9

This was reported during the PTS cycle, but the bug remains.

Example:

At 28.554s, Chilled was applied. It should also apply the Major Brittle, but that hasn't happened.

At 30.554s, Chilled was applied, this time together with Major Brittle. But Major Brittle cleansed itself 48 ms after.

My setup was pretty simple - all status chance CPs, charged ice staff, Warden Chilled chance passive. I was standing near the dummy and just recasting Arctic Blast when it expired, and found this.

I can confirm that Major Brittle not reapplying can also happen with Winter's Revenge, so Arctic Blast isn't the only criminal here. But I haven't seen Major Brittle caused by Winter's Revenge Chilled procs cleansing itself.

Gabriel_H · June 9

Use ESOLogs to upload the fight and check the full length. What you see as it "cleansing itself" it could be a misreport. For Example (I'm going to round down the seconds for presenation):

22s - Brittle Applied
24s - Brittle Ends
24s - Brittle Applied
26s - Brittle Ends
26s - Brittle Applied
28s - Brittle Ends
28s - Brittle Applied BUT is not reported in the combat log
30s - Brittle Ends
30s - Brittle Applied
32s - Brittle Ends

So the issue could be a missing event (Brittle Applied) being reported in the combat text at 28.555

Are you using Combat Metrics for the on-screen reporting there? If so, it is not infallible. The Encounter Log is more accurate but even that can have misreports.

MSattrtand · June 9

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Use ESOLogs to upload the fight and check the full length.

CMX works fine. The passive doesn't.

Obvious cleanses from Acttic Blast:

No cleanses from Winter's Revenge:

Obvious cleanses while trying to keep healer's buffs, with both Arctic Blast, Winter's Revenge, but also with Frost Enchant:

Not applying from Arctic Blast:

At 1:42.132, Chilled was applied, but Major Brittle wasn't, and at 1:42.165, the previous Major Brittle expired, so it was removed.

Not applying from Winter's Revenge:

At 1:06.730, Chilled was applied, but Major Brittle wasn't, and at 1:07.796, Major Brittle was removed and reapplied because of the Chilled proc at 1:07.797.

Gabriel_H · June 10

MSattrtand wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Use ESOLogs to upload the fight and check the full length.

CMX works fine. The passive doesn't.

Obvious cleanses from Acttic Blast:

No cleanses from Winter's Revenge:

Obvious cleanses while trying to keep healer's buffs, with both Arctic Blast, Winter's Revenge, but also with Frost Enchant:

Not applying from Arctic Blast:

At 1:42.132, Chilled was applied, but Major Brittle wasn't, and at 1:42.165, the previous Major Brittle expired, so it was removed.

Not applying from Winter's Revenge:

At 1:06.730, Chilled was applied, but Major Brittle wasn't, and at 1:07.796, Major Brittle was removed and reapplied because of the Chilled proc at 1:07.797.

That still looks like a reporting error in the log to me. I'll explain why.

Si, I've paired the applied and removed. The standout point is what is going on at 1:44 - you've got 2 applies within 250ms of each other. That would be indicative of a delayed reporting in the log.

Just so you understand what I've done with the colour markings. The Removed at 1:34.112 is for the Applied at 1:32. The Removed at 1:36.132 is for the buff Applied at 1:34.099 which your screenshot is not showing. The Applied for the new debuff is consistently coming before the Removed for the previous debuff.

So that then highlights another standout point. The Applied at 1:38.165 does not have a corresponding Removed 2s later. That's indicative of a misreporting. Completing the colour pairing however does indicate that the Removed at at 1:44.171 does not have a corresponding Added 2s earlier. This is likely the delayed reporting on the Removed for the oddity at 1:38.165.

I'm not trying to be awkward, it's just bug reports that have ambiguity tend not to be looked at, as it's resource intensive for ZOS. So providing as much clarity as possible helps speed things up.

You're showing examples that are minutes into your test. If there is a misreporting or delayed reporting it can lead to the conclusion you are coming to, but it may not actually be the case.

Posting the whole of the test from 0s will allow you to pair up the Added and Removed. You will also be able to do a simple calculation of Length of test divide by 2 seconds = Number of Applied (and subsequently Removed). This will account for any delays in reporting or misreporting.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just gave you a plausible explanation of for what could be happening. The full time frame of data is needed.

MSattrtand · June 10

I'll continue posting CMX logs, since they display everything correctly, and it's easier to see Chilled and Brittle procs.

Short test so you can see it from the start.

Chilled procs:

Proc applied Brittle at 0.6, which fell off at 2.6
Proc applied Brittle at 2.6, which fell off at 4.6
Proc applied Brittle at 4.6, which fell off at 6.6
Procced, but failed to apply Brittle at 6.6
Proc applied Brittle at 8.6, which was cleansed at 8.7
Proc applied Brittle at 10.6, which was cleansed at 10.6

And proof that it's not a logging bug, but Major Brittle actually falls off.

For Major Brittle not applying from Winter's Revenge:

I have 50 innate crit damage. I can apply Minor Brittle for another 10% and Major Brittle for another 20%. That's all my crit damage sources.

At 17.450, non-crit Winter's Revenge hits for 677. That's a base value.

At 19.433, Chilled proc should apply Major Brittle. This hasn't happened, so it dropped off at 19.517.

At 20.450, my Winter's Revenge crits for 1082. Since the base damage is 677, we can easily compute my crit damage: 1082 / 677 = 1.6. So, 50% base crit damage and 10% from Minor Brittle. If Major Brittle were actually applied around the 19th second, it would still be there, and Winter's Revenge would crit for 1218, the value we can see at 15.450.

For Major Brittle cleansing:

My setup is identical to the previous, so Winter's Revenge base damage is still 677.

At 18.690 Chilled proc applied Major Brittle, which was cleansed 65 ms later.

At 19.541, Winter's Revenge crits for 1082. We already know that this is its damage with only Minor Brittle.

And this Winter's Revenge hit procs Chilled, applying Major Brittle, and the next Winter's Revenge hits for 1218, as it should with both Major and Minor Brittle.

I think that now we can be sure there is no logging error. The passive is just bugged.

Gabriel_H · June 11

MSattrtand wrote: »

I think that now we can be sure there is no logging error. The passive is just bugged.

It would seem so, but there also appears to be a timing issue. That two 1082 crit dmg at 16..399 & 19.433 are while the log is showing Major Brittle is active. So it may not just be the passive, but the underlying processing of the calculation.

SonOfAsura · June 11

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Kevin
its even possible to see that in real dummy scenario / Log file
please we need fix for that asap. also for WW Damage Done Buff.

SonOfAsura · June 12

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Log from a different test, but it's easy to see that it cleanses. Minor Brittle / Chill is up but u can see major brittle ain't working on proc.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Kevin