BG balance is just rolling the dice and I somehow get bad rolls 9 out of 10 times. It's a hot mess.

Isn't there already a daily for participating in 5 matches until the end?

I'd be down for the bonus being "Win a match or earn 2,000 medal score" as that would at least encourage people to engage in PvP for the daily.

If you rewarded people for just going into the match you'd be back to the days of 4v4v4 with people just standing on spawn point waiting for their reward. You all remember that right?

As for removing the reward, lord no. They're finally addressing the lack of rewards in PvP, let's not take any if them away now.

Major_Mangle wrote: »

I've a better suggestion:
Remove the daily exp bonus from the battleground daily so that people with zero interest in PvP who are just in it for the exp stays out of battlegrounds. Replace the exp bonus with bonus AP for winning a game instead.

And also no, making it even more of a participation trophy than it already is would just have people stay afk in base and essentially griefing their team.

Pretty much this. I'm fed up of seeing useless players with -20k Health show up on my team and contribute nothing other than being a carpet on the floor to be stepped on. Battlegrounds should be taken seriously not some quick daily Exp boost. That Battleground slot could've gone to a more competitive player resulting in a more competitive Battleground.

Major_Mangle wrote: »

I've a better suggestion:
Remove the daily exp bonus from the battleground daily so that people with zero interest in PvP who are just in it for the exp stays out of battlegrounds

What about the Style Pages you get just for winning a BG? Not everyone cares about the "XP" bonus. I'm trying to collect all the Style Pages tied to BGs, and I need to win for that, but since I'm not exactly a good PvP player, winning is a challenge for me(or rather pain...) In the old BGs, it was enough to be 1st or 2nd from three teams for daily win, in my opinion, it was easier back then than it is now...

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

That sounds like a bad idea, removing the requirement to win would be terrible for everyone in the queue who get people who aren't even trying or just idle in the base.

After 30 seconds when they see another lopsided match, they do that now. People sitting in base EVERY match today. At least we can just get our participation points and move on if you aren't into PVP instead of doing this I guess many matches until they are carried, spreading the number of matches we have this in as is.

AScarlato wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

That sounds like a bad idea, removing the requirement to win would be terrible for everyone in the queue who get people who aren't even trying or just idle in the base.

After 30 seconds when they see another lopsided match, they do that now. People sitting in base EVERY match today. At least we can just get our participation points and move on if you aren't into PVP instead of doing this I guess many matches until they are carried, spreading the number of matches we have this in as is.

EXACTLY!!!! by making it PARTICIPATE the people who don't want to be part of pvp will be there for one match instead of 20 matches per day it would get the ones who don't want to be there out of there faster it would be great!

Luneca wrote: »

Major_Mangle wrote: »

I've a better suggestion:
Remove the daily exp bonus from the battleground daily so that people with zero interest in PvP who are just in it for the exp stays out of battlegrounds. Replace the exp bonus with bonus AP for winning a game instead.

And also no, making it even more of a participation trophy than it already is would just have people stay afk in base and essentially griefing their team.

Terrible idea. I already don't go to BGs because it's a colossal waste of time and full of DKs and WW that attempt to stall the match and drag it out. But if there's no exp, there is zero incentive to appear there.

BGs are mostly full of people exploiting things like queuing at the same time and being put on the same side (as an organized group), essentially being a ball group in the random queue.

These people are what is killing BGs, and it's also ZOS not actually implementing a true randomising system that forces players to be split up and allowing queuing at the same time to be that effective in the first place.

So, when it's the case that you can go to BGs and never win even once because some "pros" are exploiting the system, what's the purpose of going there?

I've said it before, but when there is no possibility to effect change and I don't matter, I don't and won't show up. If even the EXP is removed, I expect BG complaints about it being dead to increase even more.

One solution to this could be to just eliminate grouping for BG. Then all of the teams become completely random. 3 teams is definitely good to see again. It breaks this up somewhat. I used to do a lot of BG but it has really lost its allure. People will always try to find a run around to evade the rules and fair play. It's like PvP with Alliance locking, whenever they aren't winning, they just get on their alts. Ive seen it all week, even in Vengeance, it's the same people. On alts. But there is definitely a bad history of ball groups and other things. At least in the case of BG, I'd like to see a transition to just que solo all the time for everyone.

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

One solution to this could be to just eliminate grouping for BG. Then all of the teams become completely random. 3 teams is definitely good to see again. It breaks this up somewhat. I used to do a lot of BG but it has really lost its allure. People will always try to find a run around to evade the rules and fair play. It's like PvP with Alliance locking, whenever they aren't winning, they just get on their alts. Ive seen it all week, even in Vengeance, it's the same people. On alts. But there is definitely a bad history of ball groups and other things. At least in the case of BG, I'd like to see a transition to just que solo all the time for everyone.

Yeah, people are grouping in solo queues. They just all queue at the same time and get lumped together on the same team consistently. Your suggestion doesn’t change that.

It does say a lot too that this is happening because its mostly the same people in there and perhaps the BG population is even lower than we thought. How to get more people to start doing BG again? I think it has to do with the state of combat and too much dps among other things. You would have to fix those issues to raise the population. Cross play might help in the beginning but the reality is, I think it will in the long run actually cause the opposite effect if something isnt dont about combat

AScarlato wrote: »

I'm really enjoying that for Chaosball event you can come in 3rd place and still get the daily XP and boxes. Makes me feel like I can do it on all of my characters and move on with my life.

Currently level 35 in Veterancy with mostly losing lol.

Do NOT bring this up plz they will realize that it's broken and nerf it! The events are how it should be but we can't let them know about this. Right now it's our only hope is when they bring these out and we don't need that taken away from us!

I agree with the OP 100%

Daily rewards should not be tied to a win. ZoS knows that they’re in the middle of a major class / skill overhaul and that major imbalances exist in PvP, namely BGs

Connecting high value XP and limited source currency (crystals) to BG wins is ridiculous.

And now, especially considering that U50 introduced even worse lag than before it’s even more reason to earn the rewards through a daily participation rather than a win.

Here’s the real truth, the players who queue for BGs and don’t help their team and only treat the match like one big dueling fight aren’t going to change their behavior simply because of the daily rewards being based on participation versus a win.

The only thing that does is make players who don’t enjoy BGs or who are tired of being placed in poorly MMR set chain matches miserable.

I do well in BGs and I don’t even think the daily rewards should be based on a win. Don’t put players through a proverbial wringer when you know your game state isn’t where it should be.

If players want to participate in BGs then they will. That participation should be based on the players actually enjoying the content and wanting to queue for it, not because they were backed in a corner to do so.

Right now, the 3x team CB event is doing this very thing and people are still queuing for BGs so there’s no reason why this shouldn’t be changed.

And for the record a solid half of these 3way maps are garbage for CB. .. Domination, Relic, CK, sure, fine for those; but not CB.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

You already have people joining a BG and AFKing because they're "Just here for the daily!"

and you want to encourage that more?

Never encountered that even once. But then again, I don't go there much because I can't fire siege.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

You already have people joining a BG and AFKing because they're "Just here for the daily!"

and you want to encourage that more?

Yeah probably because they have wasted 2-3 hours of non stop queueing for something they don't want to be in because the un balanced pvp in the game has had them in 13 matches that were all losses and they still don't have the daily BG done... If they were to change it to participate as I said we would be in one match and then gone for the rest of the day playing the actual game! There would be a LOT less people in there that don't want to be there if they just make it participate!

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Lenascissorhands wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

You already have people joining a BG and AFKing because they're "Just here for the daily!"

and you want to encourage that more?

Yeah probably because they have wasted 2-3 hours of non stop queueing for something they don't want to be in because the un balanced pvp in the game has had them in 13 matches that were all losses and they still don't have the daily BG done... If they were to change it to participate as I said we would be in one match and then gone for the rest of the day playing the actual game! There would be a LOT less people in there that don't want to be there if they just make it participate!

You could just, not do that daily? There's nothing requiring you to do the daily.

Or, you could build a super tanky build and play exclusively for objectives. I assure you by building an unkillable tank you can single handedly win objective modes for your team.

Yes and no. Nobody is "forced" to do a BG daily, per se, but lets all be real for a moment; the BG daily is the only other viable source of the high daily XP and currency besides the dungeon daily.

It's not as thought the game has various sources to earn crystals or high XP pools like that. Anyone looking to level a skill line, a toon, or replenish their currency reserve to support build crafting is shoe horned into doing those dailies by proxy.

Dungeons are fine because there's a consistent baseline with those, that's not the case with BGs.

Even if the system would give a player the XP and daily reward coffer for hitting the RFTW threshold (rather than just the RFTW) then that would be fine. That way a player could choose any of the 3 PvP options, not just BGs.

NxJoeyD wrote: »

Connecting high value XP and limited source currency (crystals) to BG wins is ridiculous.

No, if it's a high value reward then it should require genuine effort. It's difficult to win a BG, so there's a good reward attatched to it.

Those players who don't want to have to win a BG can get the XP and crystals through dungeons instead. That's the low effort option.